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ARCHIVED FORUM -- April 2007 to March 2012 READ ONLY FORUM
This is the first Archived Forum which was active between 17th April 2007 and
1st March February 2012
Latest post 03-08-2011 1:54 AM by Peter. 13 replies.
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03-06-2011 4:45 PM
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aidyanimal


- Joined on 03-06-2011
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So I’m
planning to build a stereo purely to play vinyl on, would any one have suggestions
for great but affordable speakers from bang and Olufsen that I should get?
I’ve never
really dealt with the company before but my dad loves the stuff so he suggested
buy off them.
Things to
note ; I’m not planning to buy any thing brand new it will just be second hand
stuff probably quite old that I can find on ebay
My price
range is that of a university student so under £500
Is it worthwhile
buying any second hand B&O products regardless of age? and should I consider
purchasing a second hand turntable off them (ive read a few horror stories).
Thanks
for any suggestions or advice
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Evan



- Joined on 12-15-2008
- Ohio | USA
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Totally worthwhile!!!
For speakers I would suggest the BeoVox S45-2 or similar.
If I were looking for another receiver, I would probably get another BeoMaster 3000 or 4000. Both have built in RIAA preamplifiers.
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aidyanimal


- Joined on 03-06-2011
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Thanks for your help Peter thats a really impressive set of equipment i was looking at the turntables from this earlier.
Any opinions on the B&O Beolab 2500 active speakers , i like the fact i wouldnt need a preamp for them ? and i see them priced at £375
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Evan



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aidyanimal:
Any opinions on the B&O Beolab 2500 active speakers , i like the fact i wouldnt need a preamp for them ? and i see them priced at £375
They have their place, but will not have the depth and warmth as all of the above equip.
Back to you're old account Peter?
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Søren Hammer



- Joined on 01-07-2008
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Beomaster 4400, Beogram 400x and Beovox S75's are one of the best B&O systems available, Beomaster 6000(80's version), Beogram 800x with the S-75's also works great.
Beocenter 9300, Beogam CD50, Beocord 5500, Beomaster 3400, Beomaster 4400, 2 Beogram 4000, Beomaster 8000, 2 beogram 8002, Beovox S-75, Beovox MS150.2, Beovox RL6000, Beovox S-35, Beomaster 6000, 2 Beocord 9000, Beocord 8004, Beocord 5000, Form 1, 2x Beolink 1000, Beo4, MX3500, LS4500. Born 1993.
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Peter


- Joined on 02-12-2007
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You can get active speakers - the Beolab 2500 are a little
specialised as, in my view anyway, they look a bit odd separated from
the music system. If you want actives, Beolab 4000s are the best value
by far. A Beomaster 4400 and S45s will sound better though! (I have
both). The 2500 is probably the weakest of the Beolab speakers - only
the Beolab 4 will be less powerful and less capable.
Changed back to this log in despite having to post a number of times!!
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Alex


- Joined on 04-16-2007
- Bath & Cardiff, UK
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My 2c - don't go for a B&O turntable. With your sort of budget, you can't really afford to buy a lemon. A B&O deck is likely to at least need a service if it hasn't had one recently.
Having heard one recently, I was extremely impressed with the Rega RP1. They cost around £225, which is a fairly smart amount of your budget to spend on a deck IMO. Cheap turntables are generally awful, verging on unusuable. A low quality, badly set-up turntable will sound terrible, and in many cases, can actually ruin your records. The Rega RP1 comes with a pickup/cartridge, and is already configured and ready to go when you get it out of the box! Don't faff with the playing weight, anti-skate or tracking angle as they're already set correctly...
The RIAA preamps in the 3000 and 4000 aren't the greatest. They will get you by, but a good future upgrade would involve buying a good quality RIAA/phono preamp.
My favourite B&O amp is the 4400 (probably because it's one of the ones I own ) - a seriously good amplifier which will run in circles around many modern hi-end amps. I've been meaning to line it up against a Bryston amp we have in the recording studio simply to see just how good it really is! The 4400 also has an RIAA amp, but I haven't actually used it!
As far as speakers go, you've got a large choice when it comes to B&O. Be wary of rotten foam-surrounds on speaker drivers! Not all the BeoVoxes suffer from it, but if it has degraded, then you'll need to factor in having the drivers re-foamed, or avoid them alltogether!
For a student (like myself), the S45-2 - rubber driver surrounds, sealed boxes, and three way. A little bass light but in a smaller room that's a good thing!
Here's a link.
The B&O active speakers are to be avoided IMO. You really need to look at spending £2.5k plus before you get anything worthwhile (with the exception of the BeoLab 4000). The older BeoVox models will blow a lot of the B&O active models out of the water if you put a decent amp behind them...
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Evan



- Joined on 12-15-2008
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Alex is right - go vintage! The systems are simply incredible!
I will never forget the time when my sister rushed into the house thinking I was playing the piano, when it was really my BeoMaster 3000-2 and BeoVox S45-2s playing a track on my iPod! All original and unserviced, incredible stuff.
I have never heard a 4400, but by judging what everyone says on here it has to be out of this world if it sounds better than my 3000!
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Søren Hammer



- Joined on 01-07-2008
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The 4400 is bacally the same as a Beomaster 6000 (80's model), the Beomaster 8000 is similar in specs too, but with two more darlington configurated output transistors for more power 
Beocenter 9300, Beogam CD50, Beocord 5500, Beomaster 3400, Beomaster 4400, 2 Beogram 4000, Beomaster 8000, 2 beogram 8002, Beovox S-75, Beovox MS150.2, Beovox RL6000, Beovox S-35, Beomaster 6000, 2 Beocord 9000, Beocord 8004, Beocord 5000, Form 1, 2x Beolink 1000, Beo4, MX3500, LS4500. Born 1993.
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Søren Hammer



- Joined on 01-07-2008
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Beocenter 9300, Beogam CD50, Beocord 5500, Beomaster 3400, Beomaster 4400, 2 Beogram 4000, Beomaster 8000, 2 beogram 8002, Beovox S-75, Beovox MS150.2, Beovox RL6000, Beovox S-35, Beomaster 6000, 2 Beocord 9000, Beocord 8004, Beocord 5000, Form 1, 2x Beolink 1000, Beo4, MX3500, LS4500. Born 1993.
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Rich



- Joined on 07-11-2010
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aidyanimal:
My price
range is that of a university student so under £500
Let's see today's conversion rate.....<Google>....1 pound equals $1.62, so 500 pounds is about $810.
In the last year on Ebay in the U.S. I've purchased:
Beovox S40, $50 plus $35 shipping = $85
Beogram RX 2, $25 plus $30 shipping = $55 (Thread in Vintage)
MMC4 Cartridge, $100
Beomaster BM2400, $25 plus $30 shipping = $55 (Thread in Vintage)
Other investments:
Parts to refoam S40 woofers, $25 (Thread in Workbench forum)
Caps and other parts to refurbish S40s, $40
Antenna, conversion cable, and speaker wire for BM2400, $30
Total investment: $390 and maybe 12 hours of my time
That's my current garage system, and it can freaking rock. The BM2400 and S40s (which are hanging on a wall for crying out loud) paired up very nicely, thank you very much.
As to some of the other comments, The RX 2 and MMC4 (had one since 1987, now I have two) get no discussion here, so I'm assuming noses are thumbed at them. But I adore my first RX 2 (21st birthday present from the future Ex Mrs. Rich) which I'm listening to in my bedroom with a pair of Beovox S45-2s. Perhaps the RX 2 wasn't sold in Europe, but there's ALWAYS at least one of them for sale on Ebay here in the states.
If you can get a pair of S45-2s, by all means go for it, as was noted above by more than one person. No foam rot to worry about, but you may have to recap as I did (failing midrange). I got my pair (flawless exterior except for grill cloth - frets I believe you say across the pond) on Ebay in 2007 for $95 plus $40 shipping.
So, in short, vintage B&O, big fan, wish I would win another auction, highly recommended, etc.
Current primary listening: SMMC20EN -> BG4002 -> BM4000 -> Beovox M70
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