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ARCHIVED FORUM -- April 2007 to March 2012 READ ONLY FORUM
This is the first Archived Forum which was active between 17th April 2007 and
1st March February 2012
Latest post 01-18-2008 6:40 PM by mAtHiAs. 68 replies.
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mAtHiAs
- Joined on 11-16-2007
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Re: Hard to choose between Beolab 8000 or Beolab 3
Just a thought (a distant thought),, some of u in here will problaby hate me for this; But,, can't we use two BL 3500 in the same room,, i havent listening to it & im not aware if someone use it as a main speaker!!! The frequency rate may perhaps not catch my ears but the look of it touch my eye's
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Alex
- Joined on 04-16-2007
- Bath & Cardiff, UK
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Re: Hard to choose between Beolab 8000 or Beolab 3
Definitely not, sorry! We'd have to come round and do some 're-installing' if you were allowed to get away with this
The BeoLab 3500 is a stereo loudspeaker by itself, and by getting two of them, you'll effectively be listening to two pairs of lower-quality loudspeakers, rather than a single higher quality speaker. Absolutely something to avoid, as you'll get no stereo 'spread' of sound at all...
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soundproof
- Joined on 04-16-2007
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Re: Hard to choose between Beolab 8000 or Beolab 3
Alex: Definitely not, sorry! We'd have to come round and do some 're-installing' if you were allowed to get away with this
The BeoLab 3500 is a stereo loudspeaker by itself, and by getting two of them, you'll effectively be listening to two pairs of lower-quality loudspeakers, rather than a single higher quality speaker. Absolutely something to avoid, as you'll get no stereo 'spread' of sound at all...
Well - yes, and then ... If you were dead set on using BL3500s as front speakers you could always biwire each - that is have both sets of speakers, originally intended for L and R, receive just one set -- i.e. your left BL3500 receives the L output only, and the right the R output. You could even go very fancy, and have the innermost set of speakers on each receive a mix of L&R, while the outermost set on each got a full dose of its respective L or R. Then you'd really get a stereo perspective ... Though I have no idea how it would sound, before you have them up and playing away. As far as I can gather, the BL3500s are designed to work as background listening speakers, though, and not as foreground "instruments" on a par with BL3, 5, 9.
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mAtHiAs
- Joined on 11-16-2007
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Re: Hard to choose between Beolab 8000 or Beolab 3
Okidoki,, i back off But i was like a said earlier (a distant thought)....... In a near future my girlfriend & i planing to buy a bigger apartment,, we live in just 28.5 squaremeters! Im sure that our new apartment's livingroom will be bigger than our present living. & it would be nice to fill the new squaremeters with some B&O equipment! I know that the BL 8000's did get new bass units,, but how about the units inside like the amplifiers - are they the same or have them also been change??
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Puncher
- Joined on 03-27-2007
- Nr. Durham, NE England.
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Re: Hard to choose between Beolab 8000 or Beolab 3
My understanding of the change to the 8000's is that there was a slight change to the crossovers (~2003) to improve reliability (and alledgedly improve the bass although most here that have heard both can not tell the difference between the two).
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Beolab
- Joined on 05-18-2007
- Sweden
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Re: Hard to choose between Beolab 8000 or Beolab 3
Puncher: My understanding of the change to the 8000's is that there was a slight change to the crossovers (~2003) to improve reliability (and alledgedly improve the bass although most here that have heard both can not tell the difference between the two).
Maybe they have bad HiFi hearing? Because it´s easy to notice the difference in higher and lower levels when you are listening to Mk l vs Mk II at Home! From January 2003, BeoLab 8000 was obtainable with new driver units giving extra bass at low levels. While not delivering as much as a BeoLab 2 (dedicated sub-woofer) the bass drivers with the newer BeoLab 8000 have a marked improvement over their predecessors. The upgrade involved new frequency equalization and improved ABL system. These improvements are mostly apparent at high volume levels. The changes are implemented form serial 16992475 onwards.
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soundproof
- Joined on 04-16-2007
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Re: Hard to choose between Beolab 8000 or Beolab 3
Beolab: Puncher: My understanding of the change to the 8000's is that there was a slight change to the crossovers (~2003) to improve reliability (and alledgedly improve the bass although most here that have heard both can not tell the difference between the two).
Maybe they have bad HiFi hearing? Because it´s easy to notice the difference in higher and lower levels when you are listening to Mk l vs Mk II at Home! From January 2003, BeoLab 8000 was obtainable with new driver units giving extra bass at low levels. While not delivering as much as a BeoLab 2 (dedicated sub-woofer) the bass drivers with the newer BeoLab 8000 have a marked improvement over their predecessors. The upgrade involved new frequency equalization and improved ABL system. These improvements are mostly apparent at high volume levels. The changes are implemented form serial 16992475 onwards.
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Ah, Mr BeoLab. I challenge you on that. I guess "it's easy" when you know which is which, it's amazing what we can hear when we're primed as to what to listen for. It's quite difficult to tell them apart at regular listening levels. Read the text you copied again: BeoLab 8000 was obtainable with new driver units giving extra bass at low levels. This possibly depends upon the age of the MKI, not all have been in ideal places during their years of use -- temperature and humidity variations can affect driver performance. If you found it very easy to tell MkI and MKII apart at regular listening levels then I suspect something was wrong with the MKIs.
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Beolab
- Joined on 05-18-2007
- Sweden
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Re: Hard to choose between Beolab 8000 or Beolab 3
These improvements are mostly apparent at high volume levels Hm i don´t think so, but could be an answer to it.. Anyway the most people ho reclaim that they can´t hear the difference haven´t heard a A+B listening with both models beside each other .. Because if you are listening on MK II in a store and then play the same CD at home on your MK I´s you can´t remember exactly how it did sound. Because humans don't have so good "sound memory".. So to be certain you most do a A+B hearing.. It´s no big difference but noticeable.. (Like David ho think that the BL4000 sound like BL 5.. It´s because the human ear and sound memory adapts to each sound we are listening to..) Regards
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soundproof
- Joined on 04-16-2007
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Re: Hard to choose between Beolab 8000 or Beolab 3
It could be I was deaf on the day, but I have heard them side-by-side in a store -- and I did notice the better bass at low levels, but didn't really note a "marked improvement" at high volume levels. Hey! Maybe my hifi listening powers are deficient.
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Beolab
- Joined on 05-18-2007
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Re: Hard to choose between Beolab 8000 or Beolab 3
Hm, strange I have a very sensitive hearing for one, but it seems to be odd if B&o do a upgrade and just 1 of 10 peoples can hear the difference.. Then the hole upgrade are a waistfullness of effort i think.... ( My hearing is a little bit strange some times, but i can hear the very high pitch pink noise of a CRT tube´s tension (18.000- 20.000Hz) in the living room when i am on the second floor in the bedroom..) Regards
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soundproof
- Joined on 04-16-2007
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Re: Hard to choose between Beolab 8000 or Beolab 3
Beolab: Hm, strange I have a very sensitive hearing for one, but it seems to be odd if B&o do a upgrade and just 1 of 10 peoples can hear the difference.. Then the hole upgrade are a waistfullness of effort i think.... ( My hearing is a little bit strange some times, but i can hear the very high pitch pink noise of a CRT tube´s tension (18.000- 20.000Hz) in the living room when i am on the second floor in the bedroom..) Regards
Then you have quite sensitive hearing. That pitch is at around 18kHz and is produced by the HT transformer core. My hearing tops out under 15kHz - the consequence of age. You've probably heard of the mosquito ringtones? These are pitched so high that adults can't hear them. Kids use them in class to receive notice of when they get sms-messages without the teacher noticing.
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mAtHiAs
- Joined on 11-16-2007
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Re: Hard to choose between Beolab 8000 or Beolab 3
I can also hear the high frequence that a CRT television gives,, so perhaps im one of them who can hear the difference between the new / old BL 8000's I like electronic music (old & new) aswell as i like jazz m m,, is the BL 8000's sensitive when it comes to deep bass attacs?????? What i mean is,, do they have the problem to sound "cracked" in harder music?
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Beolab
- Joined on 05-18-2007
- Sweden
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Re: Hard to choose between Beolab 8000 or Beolab 3
soundproof: Beolab: Hm, strange I have a very sensitive hearing for one, but it seems to be odd if B&o do a upgrade and just 1 of 10 peoples can hear the difference.. Then the hole upgrade are a waistfullness of effort i think.... ( My hearing is a little bit strange some times, but i can hear the very high pitch pink noise of a CRT tube´s tension (18.000- 20.000Hz) in the living room when i am on the second floor in the bedroom..) Regards
Then you have quite sensitive hearing. That pitch is at around 18kHz and is produced by the HT transformer core. My hearing tops out under 15kHz - the consequence of age. You've probably heard of the mosquito ringtones? These are pitched so high that adults can't hear them. Kids use them in class to receive notice of when they get sms-messages without the teacher noticing.
So then you don´t have to buy SACD speakers with 18-50.000 Hz high pitched treble.. ;) Yes a friend of my spoked about the mosquito ring tones last week.. Very interesting i think! And i don´t think the bass sounds cracked up if you are listening to techno or something.. The ABL system just turn the bass down a bit a high levels.. But 8000 is not made for trance and hard core listening.. But with two BL 2´s you can! =)=) I got one BL2 and think trance music sound´s great! But i listen more to Chris Jones stockfish records , Himmelskip ( Danish Organ pipe folk music) and blue grass music with much detail and great dynamics.. Organ pipe music and BL 8000 are like made for each other! =)=) Regards
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Dave
- Joined on 04-17-2007
- Brisbane, Australia
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Re: Hard to choose between Beolab 8000 or Beolab 3
I am sensitive to that noise as well and it really bugged me, no one knew what i was talking about! Then we turned on the BV3 and immediatly noticed the silence, YAY! Thank god for B&O
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mAtHiAs
- Joined on 11-16-2007
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Re: Hard to choose between Beolab 8000 or Beolab 3
Fredrik, I understand that your'e pleased with your sound from B&O. Im also in to music with a lot of ingredients,, but for now & then the old elecro music is played aswell as the Rnb music (girlfriend). You live in Stockholm,, perhaps i can come by for some private listening When you mention SACD,, i have use that format before with B&W 705, Primare i20 & Philips dvd963sa + Bedrock cables = So sad that i didnt choose B&O from the begining...................
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soundproof
- Joined on 04-16-2007
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Re: Hard to choose between Beolab 8000 or Beolab 3
They've even added a BeoLab 3500 as centre channel speaker ... To me the room looks upside down!
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jooka
- Joined on 04-15-2007
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Re: Hard to choose between Beolab 8000 or Beolab 3
Alex: For large rooms though, BeoLab 8000s will generally be better as they don't tend to 'scream' at higher volumes, whilst the BeoLab 3s can start to sound pretty 'strained' at higher volumes.
i agree on this one with alex. beolab 3 is fantastic. beolab 8000 is fantastic. it's matter of taste and style. soundproof: Peter: Beolab 9s? Squatter but better sound and probably more child friendly.
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laughing out loud!!! seriously. get the 8000's if you planning to move in near future for new place. you will be pleased. i don't have kids but several kids have visited here and nobody of them have even noticed 8000's or 2. worry later if something happens. cause you can end up in nightmare situation with any speaker you choose if you worry too much.
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mAtHiAs
- Joined on 11-16-2007
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Re: Hard to choose between Beolab 8000 or Beolab 3
Seriously,, I'm considering an alternativ treatment - hypnosis,, perhaps then my worries will vanish Im starting to loose my head,, it seems that everywere i look, my eyes pick up shapes with the design of a Bang & Olufsen speaker........... It may sound funny but it isn't............. Thank god that my girlfriend have the power to hold me back,, we would have been bankrupt if not......
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Tom
- Joined on 04-16-2007
- Luxembourg
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Re: Hard to choose between Beolab 8000 or Beolab 3
mAtHiAs:
what does the article in your link mean? I think most of us beoworlders don't understand that article...
Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. - Berthold Auerbach
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Beobird
- Joined on 04-19-2007
- Netherlands
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Re: Hard to choose between Beolab 8000 or Beolab 3
If you put a sub next to them, they can perform well . If you want a really good sound you should take the 8000's + a sub or the 9's.
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beocool
- Joined on 10-17-2007
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Re: Hard to choose between Beolab 8000 or Beolab 3
Beobird: If you put a sub next to them, they can perform well . If you want a really good sound you should take the 8000's + a sub or the 9's.
Don't agree here. The Beolab 6000's have reasonable performance, but the Beolab 4000's and Beolab 8000's are superior speakers. Beolab 2 is a bit slow and not that well suited for listening to music in my opinion. If you want a better sound, get Beolab 3's, 9's or 5's.
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Peter
- Joined on 02-12-2007
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Re: Hard to choose between Beolab 8000 or Beolab 3
mAtHiAs: Question - Is the BL6000's a good hifi speaker??
In my opinion, no.
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