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  • 04-23-2007 1:11 PM

    beocenter 2 and hdmi

    Hello,does anyone know if we should expect the beocenter 2 to have hdmi soon?Thanks
  • 04-23-2007 1:43 PM In reply to

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    Re: beocenter 2 and hdmi

    There was talk of this a few days ago. I can't find the posts having browsed back a bit, but somebody did mention that HDMI would be added to the BC2. Whether this will happen or not is difficult to tell, as even if it is in development at Struer, it may never reach full production.

    I don't see why HDMI is necessary though. To be honest with you, the picture produced when it's connected to a BeoCenter 6 or BeoSystem 3 gives you an idea of how fantastic the upscaling in the latest visual products is, there really is no need to do the upscaling at the DVD player end unless you're connecting to a brand-x TV.

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  • 04-24-2007 8:38 AM In reply to

    Re: beocenter 2 and hdmi

    another upgrade to the socket box??
  • 04-24-2007 9:21 AM In reply to

    Re: beocenter 2 and hdmi

    Not that I have heard. The big news is the new finish and the Audio only model.
  • 04-24-2007 10:04 AM In reply to

    Re: beocenter 2 and hdmi

    Where does an audio only BC2 fit in the audio range with a BS4? Looks like duplication to me.
  • 04-24-2007 10:17 AM In reply to

    Re: beocenter 2 and hdmi

    I suppose it offers choice but you are correct. It does have the digital out which the BS4 does not but it doesn't have the SD card slot. It will be interesting to see the price!
  • 04-24-2007 10:28 AM In reply to

    Re: beocenter 2 and hdmi

    I suspect the BC2 can be able to carry a premium given that BL5 owners have no choice if they want to go digital (unless they go for a BS9000).

     Maybe the BS4 is aimed at the "mp3" market
     

  • 04-24-2007 11:16 AM In reply to

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    >>Where does an audio only BC2 fit in the audio range with a BS4<<

     

    The BC2 is a premium model. To be honest I would not expect the music only version to be that much cheaper. I woudl think ight in the middle between BS4 and current BC2, maybe even higher. For customers who have a DVD already they will not have to wait the few seconds that thing needs right now to determine if a DVD or CD is inserted.

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  • 04-24-2007 5:39 PM In reply to

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    jk1002:

    >>Where does an audio only BC2 fit in the audio range with a BS4<<

     

    The BC2 is a premium model. To be honest I would not expect the music only version to be that much cheaper. I woudl think ight in the middle between BS4 and current BC2, maybe even higher. For customers who have a DVD already they will not have to wait the few seconds that thing needs right now to determine if a DVD or CD is inserted.

    I know the BC2 is more expensive: but I never really considered -  is it the aluminium materials and build that make it a "premium model" or is the CD transport/DAC better quality, so actual sound is better.

     I guess I always thought the premium price was due to the dual CD/DVD abilities - but if you think a CD only version will still be more expensive than a BS4 I'm interested why you think that.

    Personally (and I've mentioned this in the past) I'd love to see B&O release a high end source (a beosound 5?) but my dealer has suggested that in our mp3 world, it simply won't happen now.
     

  • 04-25-2007 4:30 AM In reply to

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    Peter:
    Not that I have heard. The big news is the new finish and the Audio only model.

    where have I been??

    what's the new finish!!

  • 04-25-2007 5:24 AM In reply to

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    Justin:

    I know the BC2 is more expensive: but I never really considered -  is it the aluminium materials and build that make it a "premium model" or is the CD transport/DAC better quality, so actual sound is better.

    I would assume (and that is all I am doing) that a CD only mechanism at the same price/slightly less than a standard BC2 is down to the materials and engineering only (on account of a combined OEM CD/DVD raw drive is only $100-200 and that the money is on the machining).

    If it comes in somewhat higher than the current BC2, I think we will see better CD internals and this product would be known as a "Beosound X" i.e. as what we all know as  Beosound 5 and that it will lose the "Beocentre" designation.

    The logic is on where B&O want to market this product. Think BS5000/5500/6000/6500/7000 or BC9000/9500/8500/9300 etc....

    My guess.

     

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  • 04-25-2007 5:30 AM In reply to

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    I will add, that if B&O put out an audiophile class CD in the BC2 shell, I will be THE number one customer to get this machine.

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  • 04-25-2007 7:20 AM In reply to

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    Mr10Percent:

    I will add, that if B&O put out an audiophile class CD in the BC2 shell, I will be THE number one customer to get this machine.

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    Not if I get there first! And all the Lab5 owners. I really don't understand why B&O haven't brought an audiophile class player already, given they are up there with the speakers. Why not the source? Otherwise it's garbage in/garbage out, regardless how good the speakers are. (In a previous life I was a black box and gold plated cables audiophile sucker)

  • 04-25-2007 7:44 AM In reply to

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    Justin:

    Not if I get there first! And all the Lab5 owners....... Otherwise it's garbage in/garbage out, regardless how good the speakers are......

    Well I drive my BL5's via the BV7 and BC2. The BC2 is linked to the BL5's via the digi-coax and I would comment it is far from garbage. Very nice sound indeed. However, I'm sure that a dedicated component such as a Beosound "X" (aka "5") will help bring out the pleasure even more.

    Further, I know it has its critics because of lack of any JJ design influence (not a box), but I really do think the BC2 shape and interaction is a work of art.

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  • 04-25-2007 9:43 AM In reply to

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    >>but if you think a CD only version will still be more expensive than a BS4 I'm interested why you think that<<

    Because when you look at materials used, production process and initial development cost I would think the BC2 was much more costly then BS4. It's rubber buttons versus fancy Aluminium sensor technology or whatever they used.


    JK

     

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  • 05-02-2007 7:20 PM In reply to

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    Re: beocenter 2 and hdmi

    I was wondering if any one havd any idea on the price of the new "audio only" unit and when we could expect to see it?  Also any further infomation on the new finishes?

    Greg

  • 05-03-2007 1:08 AM In reply to

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    Re: beocenter 2 and hdmi

    Can't help on the price but the new steel look is for me the finish I would go for. We saw it in the factory, it has a less bright aluminium look to it and more old polished steel metal look verging on polished pewter. A very cool look IMHO.
  • 05-03-2007 1:55 AM In reply to

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    Justin:
    Mr10Percent:

    I will add, that if B&O put out an audiophile class CD in the BC2 shell, I will be THE number one customer to get this machine.

    10%

     

    Not if I get there first! And all the Lab5 owners. I really don't understand why B&O haven't brought an audiophile class player already, given they are up there with the speakers. Why not the source? Otherwise it's garbage in/garbage out, regardless how good the speakers are. (In a previous life I was a black box and gold plated cables audiophile sucker)

    T

    There is an exception, and that is if you're using the S/PDIF to the BL5s from either the BC2 or BS9000. But you are quite right, why on earth did they not match the source to the speakers? Likewise, with the BS4, why not give us the option of storing our transferred music at a higher bitrate, inside the machine? You can work around that by copying from your computer to the card at alternative bitrates, but still?

    I think the dealer quoted above should be told that the high-end market B&O aspires to may not be filled with audiophile tweakers, but it does have people who are aware of the difference between excellent and merely good. 
    I would also be jostling for space if the BC2 had audiophile grade - but I would be surprised if it does. Strange - while the image quality improves in AV, the audio quality is allowed to slip by customers ...

  • 05-03-2007 2:47 AM In reply to

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    Re: beocenter 2 and hdmi

    Maybe that is just not what B&O are about. The fact that the BL5's appeal to the audiophile market is I think a mute point to them. If I understood the discussion correctly the reason the BL5 came into existance was to do with B&O wanting to allow us to have our fully integrated AV system in any average home with sofas bookcases etc and still get a good experience.

    It's worth remembering that their final point of reference is their listening panels I'm sure they've tried a high end cd player. Btw re cables we were told they did a blind listening test with local audiophiles. Only one was able to tell the difference between high end cables and standard B&O ones and when asked which he prefered guess.......Wink

  • 05-03-2007 3:03 AM In reply to

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    Re: beocenter 2 and hdmi

    Can we have a DVD-only version as well? I have a BS9000 so have no need for an audio-only BC2. The DVD2 will (I assume) look like the HDR2 so is not as visually appealing as a BC2.

    Ian 

  • 05-03-2007 3:22 AM In reply to

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    Kevin:

    It's worth remembering that their final point of reference is their listening panels I'm sure they've tried a high end cd player. Btw re cables we were told they did a blind listening test with local audiophiles. Only one was able to tell the difference between high end cables and standard B&O ones and when asked which he prefered guess.......Wink

    Well, as I understand it some keen listening put the hybrid amplifiers in the BL9s, so it's not all a lost cause.

    BTW - I've always wondered about that "we tried out cables on audiophiles" story. What did they test? There's a difference between signal cables and loudspeaker cables for passive speakers. B&O use only signal cables to the speaker, which then amplifies. So they clearly weren't testing loudspeaker cables, as there would be no grounds for comparison.
    (One could, of course, test the difference between Powerlink to a BL5 and another signal cable to the LINE IN -- but would that be a "fair" comparison? You could then connect the "other" cable to the Powerlink OUT on the player - but ideally you should use the same OUT and IN connections for the signal, since it's the cable you're testing, and you want to be absolutely certain there is no variance in the signal quality. I can clearly hear a difference in resolution when I feed a BL5 S/PDIF; what guarantee do I have there is not a similar difference between how the speaker processes Powerlink IN and LINE IN?) And yes, one could custom build cables with powerlink connectors made from other makers' cables, and use the same OUT and IN to the B&O active speaker, thus only testing the cable. Here audiophiles would counter that cable composition is most decisive on the loudspeaker cables to passive speakers, and not on the signal cables ...

    I'm of the "cables don't have to be expensive" school - but I'm also skeptical of this cable test claim. Cool
     

  • 05-03-2007 3:53 AM In reply to

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    Mr10Percent:

    Well I drive my BL5's via the BV7 and BC2. The BC2 is linked to the BL5's via the digi-coax and I would comment it is far from garbage.

    I don't mean to say that a BC2 - BL5 combo is garbage - I've heard it and I know its excellent, I'm talking relative - that the BL5s are such good quality speakers, they deserve a similar quality source, which I think could be better than what a BC2 offers - a Beosound5!

    I used to use a Linn Karik and at a similar price I definitely noticed a drop in detail when I moved to B&O - subtle but noticable. I know they have different aims - pure audiophile vs high quality great design - but B&O pushed up the audiophile bar with the BL5 so expectations at the source level rise.

    I guess its like my school reports - "B&O has the ability and could do better" - good as it currently is.

  • 05-03-2007 5:11 AM In reply to

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    Re: beocenter 2 and hdmi

    The official B&O website now refers to an audio version and a DVD version of the BC2.
  • 05-20-2007 1:40 PM In reply to

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    Re: beocenter 2 and hdmi

    Can you post a link ?

     

    Marcel

  • 05-20-2007 1:41 PM In reply to

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    Re: beocenter 2 and hdmi

    Is it for the European market/on the European site?
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