mAtHiAs:

Question - Is the BL6000's a good hifi speaker??

The BL4 apart, the BL6000 is the weakest speaker in the range. They are good as rears in a 5.1 setup, but you miss a lot if they are used as fronts.

I have always loved the BL8000 for their design. (Swapped mine to BL9 recently)

Being a stereo audiophile though, I think the decission is easy. BL3 in my view easily outperform the 8000's. I can find non-B&O loudspeakers at 300£ a pair which outperforms the 8000.

The Dane

mAtHiAs:

Question - Is the BL6000's a good hifi speaker??

IMO no, and it's not the lack of bass. There are some great speakers out there with a 'lack of bass', but they still sound fantastic. BeoLab 6000s just sound very dull and boring overall. They're seriously impressive for their size though, and make great surround sound speakers as long as they aren't firing into the back of a sofa (which they usually end up doing).

Alex,

You hit my problem spot on..... My problem is that the BL6000 is 50 cm behind the sofa and it just dont work... I'll buy the BL3 with high stands for Christmas....

Maybe I should experiment a little with colours this time... Never had the guts in the past...

 The Dane... 

I have heard that the BL 4000 is a very good speaker. It suits every kind of music &

have no lack of bass, & the tweeter is very open/honest!!

So,, is the BL 4000 a good overall speaker & is it worth the money?

IMO yes, definitely! The 4000 is sonically superior to the 6000 and will play louder/better. I also prefer the design, more unique than the 6000s which IMO look rather boring now. Each to their own though...

IMO, the BeoLab 3s are far more impressive than any of the speakers sub BeoLab 9 in the B&O range. I'd suggest you have a listen...

Niveau:

I have always loved the BL8000 for their design. (Swapped mine to BL9 recently)

Being a stereo audiophile though, I think the decission is easy. BL3 in my view easily outperform the 8000's. I can find non-B&O loudspeakers at 300£ a pair which outperforms the 8000.

The Dane

 

 

 

Can you name some speakers that outperforms the BL 8000 MK II easily for 300£ ??

If so i can name some speakers that outperform the BL 9 easily for 500£..

Everything is subjective in what sound you like my friend..

I think the BL 8000 MkII outperforms most speakers in purity.. Now added extra warmness or roundness that only play in favor to trick your ears, and thats what you get for 300£ as you mentioned... 

 I use to be a serious audiophile guy, but now i have changed my thought´s to B&o because their purines in sound quality and high end built quality..

Regards  

Beolab:

Puncher:

My understanding of the change to the 8000's is that there was a slight change to the crossovers (~2003) to improve reliability (and alledgedly improve the bass although most here that have heard both can not tell the difference between the two).

 

Maybe they have bad HiFi hearing? Because it´s easy to notice the difference in higher and lower levels when you are listening to Mk l vs Mk II at Home!

From January 2003, BeoLab 8000 was obtainable with new driver units giving extra bass at low levels. While not delivering as much as a BeoLab 2 (dedicated sub-woofer) the bass drivers with the newer BeoLab 8000 have a marked improvement over their predecessors. The upgrade involved new frequency equalization and improved ABL system. These improvements are mostly apparent at high volume levels. The changes are implemented form serial 16992475 onwards.

Regards

Never been able to tell the difference myself..  sorry!  I'd obviously never make the listening panel. 

Beolab,

I don't agree with you : -) What sounds "nice and smooth" is subjective i agree. I would always meassure on the speakers abillity to get close to recording.

The BL8000 just don't do the job for me ! I had problems with the BL9's also.. missing midrange... But they still outperform the 8000 by miles...

The Dane

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Beolab,

I don't agree with you : -) What sounds "nice and smooth" is subjective i agree. I would always meassure on the speakers abillity to get close to recording.

The BL8000 just don't do the job for me ! I had problems with the BL9's also.. missing midrange... But they still outperform the 8000 by miles...

The Dane

Sound is very subjective- if one likes the sound thats all that matters.Its a largely unchanged poorly techically executed product from 18 years ago.

The BL8000 have poorly designed amplifiers with a lot of harminc distortion that should have been upgraded years ago- no mainstream manufacturer could get away with that today- matched to poor quality paper drivers- the only reason why they sell is beacuse they look pretty! One can indeed find a speaker that can easlily outperform the BL8000 for a 10th of the price.

 Of course B& O realise that they have to produce more serious speakers- something with drivers bigger than one would expect in a clock radio- so the BL9 comes along- actually more difficult to find a speaker that offers that performance for less than half the price.

Its open to debate if one likes the BL9 or not but facts are facts and in pure ability they are light years away from bl8000.

355f:

Niveau:

Beolab,

I don't agree with you : -) What sounds "nice and smooth" is subjective i agree. I would always meassure on the speakers abillity to get close to recording.

The BL8000 just don't do the job for me ! I had problems with the BL9's also.. missing midrange... But they still outperform the 8000 by miles...

The Dane

Sound is very subjective- if one likes the sound thats all that matters.Its a largely unchanged poorly techically executed product from 18 years ago.

The BL8000 have poorly designed amplifiers with a lot of harminc distortion that should have been upgraded years ago- no mainstream manufacturer could get away with that today- matched to poor quality paper drivers- the only reason why they sell is beacuse they look pretty! One can indeed find a speaker that can easlily outperform the BL8000 for a 10th of the price.

 Of course B& O realise that they have to produce more serious speakers- something with drivers bigger than one would expect in a clock radio- so the BL9 comes along- actually more difficult to find a speaker that offers that performance for less than half the price.

Its open to debate if one likes the BL9 or not but facts are facts and in pure ability they are light years away from bl8000.

 355f couldn't agree more... All the nonsense about purity in BL8000 don't make sense. Yes they are beautyfull... Full Stop !

 The Dane

I think we're being a bit harsh here! The BeoLab 8000s are very good speakers, and can perform to a very high standard and while you may well be able to get speakers which perform better for a much lower cost, you won't find anything out there which looks as good and sounds as good at the same time! They really do sound very good considering what they are.

I agree about BeoLab 9s + purity though, while you could prefer the BeoLab 8000s (which is highly unlikely), there is such a thing as a technically 'good' sound. The BeoLab 9s are an example of technically stunning sound (although very good to listen to as well).

I'd like to see something with the same kind of focus the BeoLab 9 has on sound but lower down in the range.

Alex,

We need to be harsh to get the discussion started. The BL8000 are truly perfection from the designpoint. However people confuse me when they state they actually perform to high standard. Have you ever compared them to new speakers from this century?

PS: I had a pair which I recently swapped to BL9.. I loved my BL8000... but not for the sound though.

The Dane

Haven't compared them directly to other speakers (other than those in the B&O range), but I know exactly what you're talking about! I have a pair of B&Ws myself, which I would say easily outperform the BeoLab 8000s (used with my BeoMaster 6500), and I know the current B&W range very well too.

That doesn't mean BeoLab 8000s aren't an impressive pair of speakers. For a speaker of that size, nothing out there produces a sound like it. I know it could be improved, but it's not what I'd call a 'bad' sound, just a mediocre sound considering the cost, but a good sound considering the limitations of the design (which is part of the reason for their popularity, a lot of people want good sound but really don't want their lounge to be taken over by boxes).

BeoLab 3s and 9s are much more impressive IMO though...

It doesnt sound that the BL 8000s is worth the money among some in here!

I think that B&O need's to focus more on the sound in their future line up, rather than the look couse that's something they already have!

Even if some people (like me) are in love with their design im sure that we wont bring B&O in our life if

they doesnt start to compare their self with other brands..

Take B&W for an example, is there anyone in here who actually has listen to their model XT4, it has the look & sound. For less money.............

B&O cant afford to follow the same path that they for so long have travelled,, they need a new path.

mAtHiAs:

It doesnt sound that the BL 8000s is worth the money among some in here!

I think that B&O need's to focus more on the sound in their future line up, rather than the look couse that's something they already have!

Even if some people (like me) are in love with their design im sure that we wont bring B&O in our life if

they doesnt start to compare their self with other brands..

Take B&W for an example, is there anyone in here who actually has listen to their model XT4, it has the look & sound. For less money.............

B&O cant afford to follow the same path that they for so long have travelled,, they need a new path.

The XT4s are immensely impressive speakers, and the XT2s also very impressive. The XT4s are similar to the BL8000s in many ways (some may prefer the design, I can't decide personally), but they definitely sound better!

"IMO no, and it's not the lack of bass. There are some great speakers out there with a 'lack of bass', but they still sound fantastic. BeoLab 6000s just sound very dull and boring overall. They're seriously impressive for their size though, and make great surround sound speakers as long as they aren't firing into the back of a sofa (which they usually end up doing)."

I do not agree. Soundwise the 6000 is the most balanced one of the 4000, 6000 and 8000. You may find that "sounding boring" but I think it means that the 6000 does not stress high, middle or low frequencies. I agree they do lack a bit of power in the low end, but a good sub (like REL Quake) improves a lot.

Thank's everyone for your replies....

//mAtHiAs