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  • 06-17-2010 6:17 AM

    Beomaster 8000 check-up/LED protection?

    Hello fellow Beo-cravers,

    A dream has come true: I recently bought a beautiful, massive, powerful BM8000!Big Smile

    It works perfectly, except for intermittent disfunction of a couple of leds, probably due to faulty connections of PCB.

    I want to make it ready for the future, so when my final exams are done next week I'm going to give it a check-up:

    - Fresh electrolytics

    - checking/fixing broken connections

    - checking amplifier no-load current and offset

    Anything else that needs special attention in these machines?

     

    Also, I'm worried about the display LEDs. They funtion OK now, but I wouldn't like to have to replace any of them, they are very small and my soldering iron is very big in comparison! Doubt I can do it myself.Smile

    After reading this post, rebuilding BM8000 displays, I wondered:  the problem seems breaking of the little wire that connects the LED to the PCB. What if you fixate this little wire to the PCB with a careful drop of transparent glue? Might protect LED function in the future. Good idea? Or will it make the LED overheat because the glue will impair cooling or something?

    Your opinions/remarks are most welcome!

    Laughing

  • 06-17-2010 6:33 AM In reply to

    • Dillen
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    Re: Beomaster 8000 check-up/LED protection?

    The little wire is a form of stainless steel. The wires usually don't break but they lose the spring tension that presses them against
    their PCB pad.
    Even conductive paint won't hold on to it and conductive glue is expensive and
    will easily make a mess. I've tried both.
    Cheaper and easier to have them rebuilt, the only downside is that all four displays need to be done to achieve uniform
    light output and segment color.

    Another thing is that it is extremely difficult to do anything to a display, even solder it in or out, without disturbing more
    LED junctions. The vibrations alone will easily do a lot of damage and if you take the display apart it will be extremely
    vulnerable to touching etc.
    I have rebuilt many of these displays (yours are also welcome here). Depending on the type of display and the
    new LED's, I like to use solderpaste and hot air soldering. The rebuilt displays are then tested, sealed and practically indestructable.
    It's not impossible but it's a tedious job and requires a steady hand, very rewarding none-the-less.
    A microscope is a must in any case.

    Martin

  • 06-18-2010 4:29 AM In reply to

    Re: Beomaster 8000 check-up/LED protection?

    Hi Martin,

    Thanks! I drew a little picture, if I understand correctly the LEDs are soldered with their base to the + side of the PCB. and the little wire is hooked like a spring behind the edge of the - trace on the PCB like this?

     


  • 06-18-2010 3:36 PM In reply to

    • Dillen
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    Re: Beomaster 8000 check-up/LED protection?

    The ones I have seen (many) all had the wire resting with a very gentle spring pressure on top
    of the opposite trace (not soldered).

    Martin

  • 06-20-2010 4:53 AM In reply to

    Re: Beomaster 8000 check-up/LED protection?

    Ah I see, the spring pressure is the other way round, it presses the wire's tip onto the trace! Quite logical actually!

    Thank you for helping me understand Martin!Yes -  thumbs up

    Laughing

    PS: I was listening to the mighty beomaster while typing this, it just gave a loud crack through the speakers. Third time that happened already! Guess I'd better make haste with the recapping, or is this more likely due to something else?

  • 06-20-2010 5:39 AM In reply to

    • Dillen
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    Re: Beomaster 8000 check-up/LED protection?

    Caps, output stage trimmers and cracked solder joints first.
    If it still has issues, they will be much easier to diagnose by then.

    Martin

  • 06-20-2010 5:11 PM In reply to

    • Mohawk
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    Re: Beomaster 8000 check-up/LED protection?

    Hi and congrats to your BM8000 :D

    Check the soldering of the carbon composite resistors in the output amps in particular, these resistors run hot during operation and cause the joints to break. Even the PCB tracks can break around the solder pads of these resistors probably due to age and heat.

    I wouldnt run the BM until this is checked. Remember there are lots of power involved here, and if anything goes wrong a lot of damage can happen!!!

    /Fredrik

  • 06-21-2010 12:38 PM In reply to

    Re: Beomaster 8000 check-up/LED protection?

    Hi Frederik,

    Thanks for the advice! I already had a quick check of the power amps, they looked fine so I trust them. Next weekend it is time for the big overhaul. I came up with a question for you, check your thread! Smile

    Laughing

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