Very simple too expensive!!!! to what it is worth!!!!! or products offers !!!!!,a part from speakers , rolex will always be expensive like a diamonds comparing apples to oranges again!!!,i do not have the appetite any more to pay for a tv set imho worth half its value,by all means feel free if you want to pay £1000 for a black and white tv buy it!!!!!!!!,in fact b&o will be remembered as the dinosaur  was excellent in analog age failed to understand digital age or adapt to it or readdress it shortfalls also become too greedy, ok moved production to eastern europe no problem but where did they pass the saving to customers?????!!,i have no problem buying expensive items always did but not paying for something worth half its value!!!even if it is B&O,i will buy a car tomorrow and lose what b&o tv worth in few months time but am not prepared to pay for obsolete tv that looks nice!!!!

Maybe it's a language barrier, but I'm not sure everyone here knows what "obsolete" actually means. 

I'm going to go ahead and stick with the comment I made about Euros having generally better aesthetic taste than Americans.  Find a few middle class (like low level white collar cubicle dwellers) Americans and Europeans and ask them what they'd buy for A/V (or just A) if they had, say, $10,000 and it had to fit in their living room.  The Americans would probably go for some god awful looking high performance component system that takes up a lot of space but sounds great.  At least my friends I asked yesterday all did.

Then ask your European friends the same thing.  You might find that the Europeans are more likely to say B&O or Bose or something with a better form factor than, say, BW.  Well, among my friends anyway.  You might have different friends.

Also, I think B&O products are actually cheaper in the US than Europe.  It's certainly cheaper in the US than Germany.

Go into the metro areas and then come again and say the Euros have better taste. I highly doubt that. When it comes to design at this point you are looking at global trends, its not that Prada from 2 years ago shows up in our stores. What you get at Ligne Roset in Paris you find in NYC.

If you go into rural areas of course the game changes, but so does it in Europe.

When it comes to if B&O is cheaper or not, it is not that different if you take out sales tax and ignore short term excessive currency fluctuations. I did buy my BS2300 in Germany when the the dollar euro was 1 to 1 or a little better, now its more even and I buy over here.

In regards to the BS5 being 6500 or 8000, does that rally matter? I'd say most customer drop out at 2000 and the few who don't do we really think they care? Keep in mind we are all excessive with our B&O love for us it matters as most of us have to save but we are not typical customers.

Does somebody who wants to buy a Ferrari change his mind cause the car is 250K and he thinks it should be 200k? He probably changes his mind cause he can't swing the 250. I don't think prices are that relevant for luxury brands. For sure it doesn't work when a product like this comes with imperfections.

My Rolex shows 2 time zones, one of them down to the second. It also shows the date which I have to adjust every other month. It is fairly simple to understand what it will do.

Now lets look at the BS5. If I don't have windows license and can produce windows media files I get little hicks between songs if I listen to live recordings. If I have winter holiday themed music it can show up in MOTS in summer. If I use Apple Lossless in my Itunes I have to re-rip my Library.

There is too many ifs and thens, i stopped looking for issues to be honest but know complaints are there. 

Why can't it just be simple? Yes it's complicated but hide that from me. For that I pay money.

chris:

I have been looking for the site that has Rolex watches that don't use in house movements but until then .....

 

http://worldofrolex.blogspot.com/2009/07/swiss-eta-movement.html 

Even mentioning "Replica Rolex" in the same text as Rolex, makes this page obvious as trying to missinform potential Rolex buyers, thus making them more susceptible to a scam. Rolex does not use ETA. It's very common for Scammers to market their Rolex or Rolex replicas as using the same ETA movement as Rolex. Rolex did use a non in-house movement in the Daytona, but this was a modified Zenith movement.

If you want to learn more about Rolex I suggest you not to google, since Rolex is the most copied/faked watch in the world, but go to www.rolexforums.com. If you dare, with the possibility of being banned, ask about ETA in a Rolex.

A bit OT.

But here's a page having good pictures of a actual Rolex movement, this is Caliber 3135 used in the Rolex submariner. See how different it looks from the link you posted Chris.

Rolex caliber 3135

It's as night and day. There are absolutely no similarities.

A Rolex with ETA is a scam, a fake watch. 

OK, thanks

I collect watches (primarily Panerai) and buy B&O kit. I've made a small profit on every single Panerai I've re-sold. They've also given me zero hassle. My B&O BV7-40s have given me untold hassle since 2007 and, although the latest MKIV is 'nearly there', there are still two sw issues - link room audio delay being one.

I'd be happy to purchase further B&O kit, if I know it's not going to give me any hassle.

jk1002:

When it comes to if B&O is cheaper or not, it is not that different if you take out sales tax and ignore short term excessive currency fluctuations. 

Why would I want to do that?  Sales tax in Germany is twice what it is in California, everyone I know back in San Francisco makes more than everyone I know in Munich, they pay less taxes (more disposable income) and they all buy cheap junk that looks terrible anyway.  Or they buy expensive stuff that sounds great and looks terrible.  But no one buys anything that works great and looks great.  Even the guy I know with a Rolex (and other nice watches) and AMG Mercedes collection.  He has rear projection!  Gah!

Hmmm...

Rolex, B&o, etc...

What core pieces (the hub of a collection) would I never sell?

My core Rolex is 40+ years old...

My core BL/BM5000 is 40+ years old...

My core Hasselblad is 40+ years old...

My wife is 39... time to go!

What do you suppose the collectibility of a BS5 will be in 2050?

dilznik:

I'm going to go ahead and stick with the comment I made about Euros having generally better aesthetic taste than Americans.  Find a few middle class (like low level white collar cubicle dwellers) Americans and Europeans and ask them what they'd buy for A/V (or just A) if they had, say, $10,000 and it had to fit in their living room.  The Americans would probably go for some god awful looking high performance component system that takes up a lot of space but sounds great.  At least my friends I asked yesterday all did.

Then ask your European friends the same thing.  You might find that the Europeans are more likely to say B&O or Bose or something with a better form factor than, say, BW.  Well, among my friends anyway.  You might have different friends.

 

Also, I think B&O products are actually cheaper in the US than Europe.  It's certainly cheaper in the US than Germany.

You are probably right.  For $10,000, most Americans would buy the system you described.  However $10,000 won't buy much at the B&O store.

I don't actually think B&O products are much cheaper in the US than the EU on average because most of the B&O sales are in the high tax states. California has some of the highest taxes in the US.  The sales tax where I live is 10.2 percent.

As for the Beosound 5, I like it a lot and have had it for almost a year.  I use MOTS most of the time.  I did have to remove the Christmas music because BS5 doesn't recognize it as seasonal music.  Maybe here is an idea for an added feature. Ha!

Don't have a Rolex but I am thinking about it.

I probably do have different friends.

This thread has some comparison prices Europe verses USA

http://forum.beoworld.org/forums/p/30213/243799.aspx#243799

linder:

You are probably right.  For $10,000, most Americans would buy the system you described.  However $10,000 won't buy much at the B&O store.

 

$10k would get you the quintessential B&O system: BS3200 and BL6000 (maybe even BL8000, not sure).

Or it'll get you the NAD C-785 surround receiver, NAD C545 CD player, NAD IPD-2 iPod dock, Bowers and Wilkins ST-8 fronts, XTC middle, and XT2 rears.  But it looks pretty blah.  Probably sounds good.

Two simple reasons:

1. Space:

Despite gifts to my children, parents, and with three different properties, one can still accumulate a large amount of Bang & Olufsen product over the years since 1965.

2. Subdural / Epidural Hematomas:

Wife's access to rolling pin, sledge hammer, or large Swiss cowbells.

Obviously not much is stopping me since I just upgraded my BS1 & Panisonic 42" panel with a BV 4-50, BS3, BL 7-2. I am loving it so far and I now have my mac mini connected through out the whole house with my link speakers!!!

Dave:

I'm pretty decided that i will not be buying anymore B&O brand new (BeoTime is the exception). It's too expensive now, and dammit, it's too often that there is a problem, or the product has a fault, ridiculous!

On the CRT vs flatscreen front, i will be keeping the CRT technology in my home for as long as humanly possible. BeoVision 10 is a good start, but there have been faulty units!

you're right dave, i use my av5 as long as possible. i was thinking to upgrade with a beovision 10, but the sound is not the same and i'm waiting for a full backlight led...

burantek:

Hmmm...

Rolex, B&o, etc...

What core pieces (the hub of a collection) would I never sell?

i don't have a collection... only core pieces. ;-)

burantek:

My core Rolex is 40+ years old...

my rolex sea-dweller 4000 is one of the last produced and a good investment... 1+ years old  ;-)

burantek:

My core BL/BM5000 is 40+ years old...

my beolab 5000 is 40+ years old and also a good investment... ;-)

burantek:

My core Hasselblad is 40+ years old...

nice... i'm thinking to buy a leica iiif

burantek:

My wife is 39... time to go!

my wife is 31... ;-)

burantek:

What do you suppose the collectibility of a BS5 will be in 2050?

;-)

bayerische:

chris:

I have been looking for the site that has Rolex watches that don't use in house movements but until then .....

 

http://worldofrolex.blogspot.com/2009/07/swiss-eta-movement.html 

Even mentioning "Replica Rolex" in the same text as Rolex, makes this page obvious as trying to missinform potential Rolex buyers, thus making them more susceptible to a scam. Rolex does not use ETA. It's very common for Scammers to market their Rolex or Rolex replicas as using the same ETA movement as Rolex. Rolex did use a non in-house movement in the Daytona, but this was a modified Zenith movement.

If you want to learn more about Rolex I suggest you not to google, since Rolex is the most copied/faked watch in the world, but go to www.rolexforums.com. If you dare, with the possibility of being banned, ask about ETA in a Rolex.

eta in a rolex? ;-)

if you're looking for a real manufactured swiss watch as a investment and/or to pass on to your children, there's only two brands i can recommend to you:

- patek philippe

- rolex (submariner, sea-dweller, daytona, but only the steel models)

i.m.o. the daytona (steel) is overrated, since i saw plenty at bucherer... the submariner no date is a good, robust entrance model and the successor of the real james bond watch (submariner 100m). if you like it more unique, than go for the sea-dweller 1220m... but this modell was produced till 2008/2009...

Here it is. Be it Zenith or Valjoux(ETA) only from 93 did Rolex make an effort to make be less reliant on other companies...

http://bjsonline.com/watches/articles/0014.shtml

Sorry to start an entirely off topic watch thread about Rolex etc

chris:

Here it is. Be it Zenith or Valjoux(ETA) only from 93 did Rolex make an effort to make be less reliant on other companies...

 

http://bjsonline.com/watches/articles/0014.shtml

 

Sorry to start an entirely off topic watch thread about Rolex etc

Chris, please...

As I mentioned the Rolex Daytona (one model of Rolex) used a Zenith movement before, and as you point out in your link, not any more.

You shouldn't pull the whole Rolex range over the early Daytona. Almost all Rolex models use a movement specific for that model, since Rolex has made their own movements long before 1993. Note 1993 mentioned a CHRONOGRAPH movement. The Rolex Daytona is the ONLY Rolex being a Chronograph.

chris:

Here it is. Be it Zenith or Valjoux(ETA) only from 93 did Rolex make an effort to make be less reliant on other companies...

 

http://bjsonline.com/watches/articles/0014.shtml

 

Sorry to start an entirely off topic watch thread about Rolex etc

As I said Chris, if you sincerely want to learn about Rolex, visit www.rolexforums.com with a HUMBLE attitude. It's a forum very much like beoworld, friendly, with massive knowledge. Don't believe everything you read on the internet, that you don't know the source of.

bayerische:

chris:

Here it is. Be it Zenith or Valjoux(ETA) only from 93 did Rolex make an effort to make be less reliant on other companies...

 

http://bjsonline.com/watches/articles/0014.shtml

 

Sorry to start an entirely off topic watch thread about Rolex etc

Chris, please...

 

As I mentioned the Rolex Daytona (one model of Rolex) used a Zenith movement before, and as you point out in your link, not any more.

You shouldn't pull the whole Rolex range over the early Daytona. Almost all Rolex models use a movement specific for that model, since Rolex has made their own movements long before 1993. Note 1993 mentioned a CHRONOGRAPH movement. The Rolex Daytona is the ONLY Rolex being a Chronograph.

 

Yachtmaster?

jldmelb:

bayerische:

chris:

Here it is. Be it Zenith or Valjoux(ETA) only from 93 did Rolex make an effort to make be less reliant on other companies...

 

http://bjsonline.com/watches/articles/0014.shtml

 

Sorry to start an entirely off topic watch thread about Rolex etc

Chris, please...

 

As I mentioned the Rolex Daytona (one model of Rolex) used a Zenith movement before, and as you point out in your link, not any more.

You shouldn't pull the whole Rolex range over the early Daytona. Almost all Rolex models use a movement specific for that model, since Rolex has made their own movements long before 1993. Note 1993 mentioned a CHRONOGRAPH movement. The Rolex Daytona is the ONLY Rolex being a Chronograph.

 

Yachtmaster?

Unfortunately... a bit confusing.

CHRONOGRAPH vs CHRONOMETER...

burantek:

jldmelb:

bayerische:

chris:

Here it is. Be it Zenith or Valjoux(ETA) only from 93 did Rolex make an effort to make be less reliant on other companies...

 

http://bjsonline.com/watches/articles/0014.shtml

 

Sorry to start an entirely off topic watch thread about Rolex etc

Chris, please...

 

As I mentioned the Rolex Daytona (one model of Rolex) used a Zenith movement before, and as you point out in your link, not any more.

You shouldn't pull the whole Rolex range over the early Daytona. Almost all Rolex models use a movement specific for that model, since Rolex has made their own movements long before 1993. Note 1993 mentioned a CHRONOGRAPH movement. The Rolex Daytona is the ONLY Rolex being a Chronograph.

 

Yachtmaster?

Unfortunately... a bit confusing.

CHRONOGRAPH vs CHRONOMETER...

haha close enough!!

jldmelb:

burantek:

jldmelb:

bayerische:

chris:

Here it is. Be it Zenith or Valjoux(ETA) only from 93 did Rolex make an effort to make be less reliant on other companies...

 

http://bjsonline.com/watches/articles/0014.shtml

 

Sorry to start an entirely off topic watch thread about Rolex etc

Chris, please...

 

As I mentioned the Rolex Daytona (one model of Rolex) used a Zenith movement before, and as you point out in your link, not any more.

You shouldn't pull the whole Rolex range over the early Daytona. Almost all Rolex models use a movement specific for that model, since Rolex has made their own movements long before 1993. Note 1993 mentioned a CHRONOGRAPH movement. The Rolex Daytona is the ONLY Rolex being a Chronograph.

 

Yachtmaster?

Unfortunately... a bit confusing.

CHRONOGRAPH vs CHRONOMETER...

 

 

haha close enough!!

Nope.

Chronometer is a certification from an independent source. The watch has to be accurate to -4  -  +6 sec/24h to get a COSC certification "Contrôle Officiel Suisse des Chronomètres". Almost all Rolex models are certified, and thus called Chronometer on the dial. "superlative chronometer officially certified" can be found printed on Rolex dials if the watch is a Chronometer.

A Chronograph is a watch that has timekeeping and stopwatch functions. No certification.

PS, the Yachtmaster is an awesome watch.

So should we steer this thread back on topic? I'll be skinned once Jandy or Puncher finds this thread.... Right Burantek?