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  • 02-08-2010 7:39 PM

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    Yellow slide rules

    The clear slide rules have turned yellow on an otherwise perfect BM3000-2.Does anyone know of a fix or if replacements are available?

    Thank you

  • 02-09-2010 2:29 AM In reply to

    Re: Yellow slide rules

    I guess they just do that depending on the environment. In the case it happens to be cigarette tar Ick! you could try cleaning them (needs disassembly), but I believe in most cases the plastic itself gets yellow from UV light or something.

    The only replacement is to try and find clearer sliders out of a donor machine, I'm afraid.

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  • 02-09-2010 8:09 AM In reply to

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    Re: Yellow slide rules

    That's what I was afraid of.This unit was exposed to some heavy sunlight for a period of time.The wood top had some bad sun bleached spots that I was able to correct with some furniture oil.What's interesting is that the slider for the tuner,while slightly yellowed,has held up pretty well.Oh well.Thanks for the input.It might just be something I have to live with on this vintage machine.

  • 02-09-2010 1:47 PM In reply to

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    Re: Yellow slide rules

    I am sorry to say, it is not possible to change these sliders if the are really 'yellow'. They were original clear / blu'is. What you have to do is finding a donor product, which should be possible.

    The cabinet (wood) - do a carefull sanding and treat it with a high quality (bee)wax and you will be very surpriced Big Smile

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  • 02-09-2010 2:19 PM In reply to

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    Re: Yellow slide rules

    I have seen pics of some other machines that are still quite clear.For some reason the tuner slider is still in pretty good shape,only slightly "amber" in color.The others are cloudy and yellowed.I have tried to clean them  inside and out with glass cleaner with minimal improvement.I think tournedos might be right,this thing was exposed to UV from the sun for a prolonged period of time,or perhaps someone tried to clean them with a harsh solvent of some kind.

     

  • 02-09-2010 3:09 PM In reply to

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    Re: Yellow slide rules

    I agree, finding new ones is impossible but depending on how yours look, it may be possible
    to find better used windows.
    Can you post a photo ?

    Martin

  • 02-09-2010 7:12 PM In reply to

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    Re: Yellow slide rules

    Martin

    Not a great pic,but shows how the tuner window is quite a bit less yellowed than the others.

     

  • 02-10-2010 4:15 AM In reply to

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    Re: Yellow slide rules

    Oh yes.
    And the "ON" lamp lens too ?

    Martin

  • 02-10-2010 5:09 AM In reply to

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    Re: Yellow slide rules

    Hi everyone

    I have had several problems with the cursors on these machines and due to the shortage of good spare parts, have resorted to making many of the plastic parts myself.  The photo below shows one of my "works in progress" and you can see the hand crafted tuning cursor doesn't look too bad.  My only problem at the moment is getting some perspex with the correct thickness and these practice sessions had to use some 5mm material instead of the required 4mm thickness.  Anyhow, it shows what can be done if you put your mind and time to it.  I'm getting better with every attempt.  Thank heavens for the Dremel, it must have been made especially for the BM3000

    Regards

    Geoff

     


  • 02-10-2010 5:32 AM In reply to

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    Re: Yellow slide rules

    That's fantastic Geoff!

    What a great solution to replacing the yellowed cursors. The replacements really bring out the beautiful BM3000's looks. I'd certainly do what you've done and make replacements if I could and keep the old originals aside.

                                                                                                  

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  • 02-10-2010 5:33 AM In reply to

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    Re: Yellow slide rules

    Wow Geoff, looks very nice indeed !

    Martin

  • 02-10-2010 7:52 AM In reply to

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    Re: Yellow slide rules

    Geoff,very nice.You have inspired me.I was considering manufacturing some myself out of polycarbonate with my miniature benchtop milling machine.My biggest concern was how to make the  red line down the middle.Obviously it can be done.I haven't seen one dissassembled yet,obviously not a very complex piece?Any pics of the window by itself?Martin:I think the "on" light is ok,it must just be the pic but I will have to check it out closely.

  • 02-10-2010 8:09 AM In reply to

    Re: Yellow slide rules

    Apparently the hairline could be created if you make a suitable groove, apply some red paint and wipe it away from the surface before it dries. But it may be a problem if the groove needs to be very smooth, I guess the slightest bit of fuzzyness would ruin the looks. Probably impossible unless you make some kind of a jig and machine it with the thinnest Dremel cutting blade, or something...

    -mika

  • 02-10-2010 8:18 AM In reply to

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    Re: Yellow slide rules

    Agreed.The groove(if there is one) would have to be as smooth as the polished face is.If I have the piece monuted in the milling machine I could create a hairline groove and apply paint somehow with an applicator mounted in the machine.This will require some thought and experimentation.

  • 02-10-2010 8:24 AM In reply to

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    Re: Yellow slide rules

    There is no groove in the original windows.

    Martin

  • 02-10-2010 9:17 AM In reply to

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    Re: Yellow slide rules

    Most likely the red line is simply silk screened onto the plastic then.

  • 02-10-2010 11:02 AM In reply to

    Re: Yellow slide rules

    It is definitely silk screened (or similar). You can feel a ridge. Perhaps some old fashioned Chartpak tape would work?

    Below is a pic (cell phone) of my 3000 BALANCE slide... mine appear to be more orange than red... could also have faded.

    I am going to do some experimenting this evening as mine has a slight yellowness to it as well. Let you know!

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    I'll also take a better pic tonight, too! Embarrassed

     

     


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  • 02-10-2010 11:55 AM In reply to

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    Re: Yellow slide rules

    At first glance it appears to be a fairly simple part to make on my benchtop mill.The question remains on how to make that perfect red line.

    I have some 4.5mm plexiglass.Slightly thicker than the 4mm Geoff said was required.Might not be a noticeable difference,though.

  • 02-10-2010 12:21 PM In reply to

    Re: Yellow slide rules

    Quick "Google" for 4mm (5/32) clear acrylic...

    In UK

    @[pebmrb]: Where in the states are you?

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  • 02-10-2010 12:51 PM In reply to

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    Re: Yellow slide rules

    I am in Michigan.

  • 02-10-2010 12:55 PM In reply to

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    SC here...

    I have been struggling to find a US based website for the 4mm sheets... Sad

    In the meantime, I took a closer look at the slide... the outer mounting tabs have a slight wedge to their profile.

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  • 02-10-2010 1:13 PM In reply to

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    Re: Yellow slide rules

    I thought I noticed a tapered wedge profile there.That complicates things a bit,but not impossible of course.

  • 02-10-2010 2:54 PM In reply to

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    Re: Yellow slide rules

    burantek:

    SC here...

    I have been struggling to find a US based website for the 4mm sheets... Sad

    In the meantime, I took a closer look at the slide... the outer mounting tabs have a slight wedge to their profile.

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  • 02-10-2010 2:56 PM In reply to

    Re: Yellow slide rules

    Stonk:
    You know you only have to ask!

    From you, Sonk... yes. I still owe you though, BTW! Big Smile

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  • 02-10-2010 7:23 PM In reply to

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    Re: Yellow slide rules

    I agree that making your own plastic cursors can be quite involved because of the problems that have been listed above.  My solutions to some of the issues that have been mentioned has been as follows:

     

    The original cursor does have a “wedged” profile which I refer to as the ridges along the edges.  If you simply fit the flat piece of plastic directly over the aluminium slide, the friction is very high and you end up scraping off all of the numbers and markings on the slide.  Hence the ridges are very important if the plastic is to slide easily without scraping the aluminium.  Since it is impossible for me to mill out the back surface of the plastic and retain a clear glass finish, I resorted to fitting some small plastic inserts.  You can easily find some clear plastic packaging material which is about 0.5mm thick and cut out a small strip, approximately 3mm wide and 34mm long, to provide the bearing surface for the cursor.  The narrower the bearing surface, the easier the cursor is to slide.  Two drops of superglue along the hidden edge will hold it in place so that the mini holes can be cut and the unit assembled easily.  With the 0.5mm insert, the thickness of the shoulder of the cursor needs to be reduced from about 3mm to 2.5mm.  This solution has worked very well for me.

     

    Making the cursor lines hasn’t been easy and I have experimented with several techniques.  The colours needed are orange for the BM3000 and green for the BM4000.  I have never resorted to “scoring” the line because that didn’t seem to be necessary but I might give that one a try – it has potential.  One can use two pieces of straight edged adhesive tape to form a 0.5mm wide channel and use a permanent marker to fill it in.  However, I usually found that the colour ran into the adhesive and didn’t give the desired straight line.  At the moment, my preferred solutions are:

     

    Cut a very thin line of insulation tape with a sharp Stanley knife and stick this directly onto the cursor glass.  With this solution, it is essential that the thickness of the tape is less than the thickness of the plastic that you have used for the ridges otherwise it will drag on the aluminium and go out of shape very quickly.

     

    The second solution is to paint a wide strip with the permanent marker using a few coats to get a solid looking colour.  I then use a very thin, clean straight edge and a cloth which is very slightly damped with isopropyl alcohol to wipe off the unwanted colouring on both sides and leave the thin line in the correct place.

     

    Some of my practice attempts are shown in the picture below.  The thin black line is the masking tape and this give a good strong finish but can be too thick at times – it is quite hard to cut a half millimetre sliver of tape.  The orange line is the permanent marker, slightly thinner but it can be uneven in places.

     

    These are my solutions that have kept me going.  I am always interested in new techniques so keep them rolling.  This is an excellent forum for new ideas.

     

    Regards

     

    Geoff

     


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