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Latest post 07-13-2009 8:38 AM by AlexP68. 10 replies.
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  • 07-11-2009 1:43 PM

    Dirigent 609 K

    Does anybody know technical characteristics of this unit?

     

  • 07-11-2009 2:30 PM In reply to

    Re: Dirigent 609 K

    The background looks familiar - I think there's someone on site who might be able to answer your question!

    President, Beomaster 8000 Appreciation Society

  • 07-11-2009 6:45 PM In reply to

    Re: Dirigent 609 K

    Its 2 pictures that looks very much like Dillen's work.

    He might have the answers to this one.

     

  • 07-12-2009 2:52 AM In reply to

    • Dillen
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    Re: Dirigent 609 K

    Yes, that looks like one I sold recently:
    http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140322882043
    together with the B&O/Peerless Type M speakers
    http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140322882901

    Any particular specs, you are thinking of ?

    Martin

  • 07-12-2009 6:52 AM In reply to

    Re: Dirigent 609 K

    Martin thank you for the info!

    What is the power output of Dirigent?

     

    Alexey

  • 07-12-2009 7:28 AM In reply to

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    Re: Dirigent 609 K

    Originally, the Dirigent had ECL86 valves in the output stage.
    Very often, EL84 are found mounted instead which in my opinion
    is a very legal and suitable substitute.
    Both valves have about the same power rating, around 4-4½ Watts
    so about that would be the rating per channel.
    Worth noting that these are "real" watts - not those modern
    cheap japanese watts that we often see on computer speakers, car stereos etc.
    And the sound... just wonderful.

    Martin

  • 07-12-2009 10:25 AM In reply to

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    Re: Dirigent 609 K

    Dillen:

    these are "real" watts - not those modern
    cheap japanese watts

    LaughingLaughingLaughing

    Poor me, never win owt!

  • 07-12-2009 11:26 AM In reply to

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    Re: Dirigent 609 K

    Laughing

    Not very nicely put by me, I realize. I was not intending to offend the
    japanese but that was the only way I could think of to explain it and the
    tendency does seem to come from the east.

    In the 50's, an 8W amplifier was used for the commentator PA at a large football
    stadium in Copenhagen.
    Today, people have 20-40W or more in their car and 400W at their computer table...
    Open up a 200W PC amplifier/speaker and look at the tiny transformer and thin leads
    and you'll know what I refer to.
    Speaker efficiency is an important factor, I know, but surely those cannot be the
    same type of watts.
    Laughing

    Martin

  • 07-12-2009 12:47 PM In reply to

    Re: Dirigent 609 K

    Martin, were there more powerful B&O valve amps which can match to M-100 speakers?

  • 07-12-2009 3:55 PM In reply to

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    Re: Dirigent 609 K

    Yes, the models with push-pull output stages will have more power, at least theoretically.
    The HiFi amplifier 608 (often referred to as Beolab 608) springs to mind, that's
    only a an amplifier, no tuner.
    Some of the later Grand Prix models and I believe also the Master Deluxe Present models also
    have push-pull output stages, these are complete receivers, tuner and amplifiers.
    The Master Deluxe Present and some of the Grand Prix models have built-in speakers.

    The Beovox M-100 are heavy speakers to drive. I am not sure they would be a good match for vintage
    valve amplfiers unless really powerful (of which B&O didn't produce much, apart from the BOFA cinema equipment).
    The impedance will be off too. Typical impedance for valve speakers are 3-4 ohms.

    Martin

  • 07-13-2009 8:38 AM In reply to

    Re: Dirigent 609 K

    Martin, thank you for reply! Well will listen to my Beovox M-100 with a native "stone" BM 4400 or Scan-Dyna 4000 (another great receiver). Smile

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