Hi All & BeoSystem 3 owners (I am soon to be one)

The panels that work really well with a BeoSystem 3 are the Panasonic D7, D8, & D9 - is this correct?

Panasonic has come out with a new range of displays and more is to come over the summer - the panel is called G10 - how well will this panel work with a BeoSystem 3? Best guesses / opinions / etc more than welcome please.

What panel is in the new BeoVision plasma i.e. BeoVision 9 ?

Pioneer is also coming out with a new generation of plasma late this summer (apparently better than anything seen before based on the reviews). How well does pioneer displays work with a BeoSystem 3?

Kind Regards

Christian
 

I am using a Beosystem3 with my Pioneer plasma,  works fantastic but i'm sure it would work equally aswell with any quality plasma.

The difference with the Panasonic being that you are able to directly drive the panel with the Beo4 through the Beosyetem3. I am using a LIntronic setup to get the control from my Beo4 whilst also giving me far greater flexibility with the ability to control all my other devises and automation.

 

I'm sure you will enjoy the Beosystem3

chrisped:

Hi All & BeoSystem 3 owners (I am soon to be one)

The panels that work really well with a BeoSystem 3 are the Panasonic D7, D8, & D9 - is this correct?

Panasonic has come out with a new range of displays and more is to come over the summer - the panel is called G10 - how well will this panel work with a BeoSystem 3? Best guesses / opinions / etc more than welcome please.

What panel is in the new BeoVision plasma i.e. BeoVision 9 ?

Pioneer is also coming out with a new generation of plasma late this summer (apparently better than anything seen before based on the reviews). How well does pioneer displays work with a BeoSystem 3?

Kind Regards

Christian
 

 

Presently the panels used in the BV4 and BV9 are the D9 panasonic panels , the D10 panasonic panel is in fact a 1080 res panel. the D7 and D8 panels are a bit old hat to give the beosystem3 justice now.

I would not get to carried away about the next fantastic offerings from pioneer, panasonic et al- the mags are there to SELL the technology!it is not always  better!

Anything other than a commercial panasonic screen cannot be operated with the beo4 and even when using the panasonic panel be aware that you cant control, contrast, brilliance or colour and sometimes on-off, you have to use the supplied remote to do this.

As to the D10 panel.  In fact the picture watching freeview or dvd is  degraded compared to D9. Not for nothing has B&O not yet brought in these panels as I think the BS3 needs alteration in some way to get the D10 to workto the same standard as D9  with low res sources.

Unless you are watching all HD content and using a blueray player. I would suggest you look at the present D9. You will find it pretty much perfect and given the D10 panasonic screen is more expensive than D9 maybe an idea to buy the BV4 and have no compatablity isues

 

This is what i decided upon in the end and lets face it the point of B&O is to have easy operation via one remote and I thought any other solution spoils the ethos of this. In addition I wanted the system to scale the image properly and some have reported problems with pioneer screen not doing this.

Thanks for helping clearing this up for me!

I have heard that a commercial version of a panasonic is better than the normal "consumer" version. Why is it better? Is it purely that the Beo4 will work (as you write 355f) or is it also that it is the commercial panels that are the panels used by B&O and therefore naturally works better with a beosystem3?

I have a normal consumer panasonic plasma already the TH42PV500 which 1½ years old now, but a B&O dealer said it would be better to change this for a commercial plasma - he could not offer an explanation except for that was what he had heard - does anyone know?

I like the panasonic plasmas and that is why I asked about the G10 panels. If I have to change my plasma for a commercial one - should I wait until the G10 panels are incorporated into the commercial line (which are all D9's currently) - the answer right now seems to be no 355f? You mentioned that the beosystem3 needs to be altered to work properly with the G10 panels - could this be SW update sometime in the future?

I am naturelly interested in the G10 as it should be better than D9, but more importantly there is a full HD version in 42", which is the size I like and have room for.

Does all this make sense?

Kind Regards

Christian
 

Firstly one can enter a very big debate about what makes the commercial plasma better. Im really not sure the difference is as great as made out. The B&O man will tell you they are 'hand selected panels' where they meet the highest criteria. Im really not sure on that one - and does it justify doubling the price!! The beo 4 works with this simply because B& O engineered it to do so and i suspect because it can be engineered in a way that prevents using a third party screen and getting true compatability. After all the audio and video business has convered and if B&O cant sell flat screen TV they are OUT OF BUSINESS! It is true however that B&O set up their panels using a spectrometer so that colour rendition is near perfect and al;though you could get a specialist to do this it costs money, there are many settings on plasmas of course- grey scales, tints ect so it can be diff to get it right! and after spending big bucks on BS3 do you want a halfway house?? wondering if you had bought the BV4 it would be better than what you have!

 

The plasma you have is 2 years old in technolgy terms and will lack the impressive black levels you can get with BS3 and d9

Knowing how B&O operates as a company I would be worried about getting a D10 only to find that the BS3 needs  HARDWARE update or indded a complete revision. Many customers including myslef on the hidef issue were treated badly by B&O who dont care about their customers. I would NOT buy a D10 panasonic screen until B&O have integrated them that I am SURE about!

 

I have tried connecting my bs3 with a D10 panasonic and the results on sd viewing were poor compared to D9. Also there seems to be no mention of D10 in BS3 menu. It remains to be seen if this is a software fix I think.

 

I used to have the 42" and if thats your preference ok, but for 42 firstly you will neevr tell the difference with a higher res panel and secondly do consider a 50 , its a different experience

There is someone that could say which are the last panels in beovision 4-65, which differences should exist with commercial panasonic models, and if there any diffciculty in connecting beosystem 3 with last panasonic d10 or G10 models

thank you very much

massimiliano

I also have a D9 42" panel connected to a BS3 because I heard the same story about the D10 having a lower SD quality picture. This information came from a Panasonic technician and he also told me that the colours are nicer with a D9 panel. I don't know if the D9's are still for sale and I think that the D10 cost less. 

So are we saying that a TH42PH9UK might be better than a TH42PH10UK? (I am deliberately not mentioned the full HD panel)

How can panasonic take a step back? (and have they?) 

Christian 

do you know if in these last 5 months from your last article reply there are some changes???

thank you very much

Well ... the TH42PH10UK (G/D10) is a "fairly" new panel, right ...

Beogen: I have only heard that the full HD panel (the PF9 model) had a SD picture which wasn't as good as the non full HD versions. I read that here on the forum. I know there are quite a few guys here have the PH10 panel, who seem to be pleased.

I just thought it very strange the the PH10 (G/D10) should be somehow worse than the D9 in colors or SD quality since it is the latest panel released to keep up with pioneers new impressive Kuro range.

I have just bought a BS3 and looking to find what panasonic panel to buy ... and getting now confused about what panel to go for .. and old D9 or the new TH42/50PH10.

Christian 

chrisped:

Well ... the TH42PH10UK (G/D10) is a "fairly" new panel, right ...

Beogen: I have only heard that the full HD panel (the PF9 model) had a SD picture which wasn't as good as the non full HD versions. I read that here on the forum. I know there are quite a few guys here have the PH10 panel, who seem to be pleased.

I just thought it very strange the the PH10 (G/D10) should be somehow worse than the D9 in colors or SD quality since it is the latest panel released to keep up with pioneers new impressive Kuro range.

I have just bought a BS3 and looking to find what panasonic panel to buy ... and getting now confused about what panel to go for .. and old D9 or the new TH42/50PH10.

Christian 

 

The D9 HD panel - ie not 1080p seems to give better performance generally than the 1080p version. for 50" or less.The 1080 version was pushed out quickly by panasonic but the next step forward is the new range of screens with higher contrast ratios and double the life which you can but in  afew months and if you go to AV forums you wil learn alot about this new panel .

The problem with all this is when the bs3 is connected to another screen be it any panasonic or pioneer I have never found that the BS3 offers an improvement over the standard offering from those companies( I know some dont have tuners but even with an external box i mean!)  and may have something to do with the fact that the BV4 is calibrated to the BS3 from the factory and the changes within the BV4 by B&O My advise would be to get the 720 BV4 from a dealer at  a reducedprice or get the d9 HD and find an ISF calibrator in your area.

I think going down 3rd party route route means you are paying £5500 for a preamp for the speakers and a junction box- which seems to be what the BS3 becomes with a third party panel and the commeon compaint is that it make sgthe image to dark

I managed to get hold of the Panasonic 50" d9 Commercial model from a good friend who worked for Panasonic (If anyone is keen on a 5mth 42" version he might still have this- edit: This has now been sold)

Anyhow - Beogen and 355f; you seem to have a lot of experience within this specific area; Should i manually select the B&O 50 plasma in Setup>Display 1? Currently it stands as Generic...

Also - do i need to connect the Serial (back from plasma) to the BS3 (Monitor); what functions do i get then; auto brightness?

Will the serial also help switching on and off the "screen"? What type of serial do i need to get? read in another post something about a 2>3>2>2>5>5 or something simillar (cant find the post now).........

Excellent news to a year that otherwise have started with tonsiliitis and high fever; very happy camper tonight.....

Cheers
Klas
 

http://forum.beoworld.org/forums/thread/41247.aspx

Ralf

Thanks Ralf; found the post and the desription; doesnt tell me anything but im sure the people in the electronics store will know :)

Also; as a seperate note - is it possible to get the B&O BV4 50" frame as a spare part and mount on to the Panasonic commercial model? 

hopefully last question on this thread; should i select B&O BV4-50 d9 or d9 HD? My version is a 1080i and not the 1080p but its d9 - panel: TH-50PH9WK
 

Hey Klas,

Don't select the HD version, you have the same model as I have .

Regarding your question about the frame, I think it's still possible to order the 50" frame.

I know that for the 42" you can't get it anymore .

 

GOOD LUCK ! 

You can order the frame as spare part, however, you might be faced with some trouble to get the enclosure for mounting the frame to the display. Without this enclosure/box you will be unable to fix the frame to the display. It is not available as a spare part.

Karsten

thanks all; as helpfull as always!!

I'll let you know as things progress.....need to get my DVD player exchanged but i'll start another thread on that as I'm finnished with my desk-research.....cheers Klas 

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