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Latest post 02-28-2012 2:35 PM by mbee. 31 replies.
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  • 02-27-2012 3:26 AM In reply to

    • Puncher
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    Re: Beolab 8002 or 12 as rears?

    Did you match the actual volume (not just the input signal), the 9's are more sensitive than the 4000's and therefore will be louder with the same input signal. This will seem to sound "better".

    Generally speaking, you aren't learning much if your lips are moving.

  • 02-27-2012 8:04 AM In reply to

    Re: Beolab 8002 or 12 as rears?

    Not sure what you mean by input signal? I had the volume on the BV7 display set to the same level.

     

     

    Beovision 7-55 with Beolab 7-4, 9s and 4000s

    Beovision 10-40 with Beolab 1s and 6000s

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  • 02-27-2012 8:39 AM In reply to

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    Re: Beolab 8002 or 12 as rears?

    That's not good.

    The volume of the speakers don't have to be set "visually" to the same level, even more because 4000's and 9's are not on the same league. I think that before buying anything, you should set up properly the speaker distance and levels.

    1. Measure speaker distance and put correct distance from ear to speaker for each speaker.

    2. Find a sound pressure tool. The cheapest is the free iPhone app "Ultimate Ears". As we are not searching for exact absolute levels but accurate relative levels of each speaker, it's really good.

    3. Find a white noise source/go to the speaker setup to have white noise.

    4. Turn up your TV main volume until you reach 75dB in Ultimate Ears at the listening position. 

    5. Go to the speaker setup and adjust individually all speaker levels to reach 75dB (front, rear, center).

    6. You're done, now the speaker levels are correctly set up.

    7. Try your new configuration before buying anything Smile

    [EDIT] Mistakes corrected

  • 02-27-2012 8:40 AM In reply to

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    Re: Beolab 8002 or 12 as rears?

    Razlaw:

    Not sure what you mean by input signal? I had the volume on the BV7 display set to the same level.

     

    What I mean is that the 9's will be louder than the 4000's driven from the same amplitude input signal.

    Generally speaking, you aren't learning much if your lips are moving.

  • 02-27-2012 2:02 PM In reply to

    Re: Beolab 8002 or 12 as rears?

    mbee:

    That's not good.

    The volume of the speakers don't have to be set "visually" to the same level, even more because 4000's and 9's are not on the same league. I think that before buying anything, you should set up properly the speaker distance and levels.

    1. Measure speaker distance and put correct distance from ear to speaker for each speaker.

    2. Find a sound pressure tool. The cheapest is the free iPhone app "Ultimate Ears". As we are not searching for exact absolute levels but accurate relative levels of each speaker, it's really good.

    3. Find a white noise source/go to the speaker setup to have white noise.

    4. Turn your TV speaker in speaker 2 mode until you reach 100dB in Ultimate Ears at the listening position. 

    5. Adjust individually all speaker levels to reach 100dB (front, rear, center).

    6. You're done, now the speaker levels are correctly set up.

    7. Try your new configuration before buying anything Smile

    It also has to be dependant on the master volume value (e.g. 55). What do you suggest as a volume value? In my setup (BL7-1 center, BL8000's fronts, BL4000's rears, BL2) is not easy to reach 100db with highest setting on the SPEAKER Adjustment menu. I have to put the Master Volume up to 74-75 to reach 95db. And my living room is 35m2.

    -Dimitris

  • 02-27-2012 4:19 PM In reply to

    Re: Beolab 8002 or 12 as rears?

    DrDimitris:

    mbee:

    That's not good.

    The volume of the speakers don't have to be set "visually" to the same level, even more because 4000's and 9's are not on the same league. I think that before buying anything, you should set up properly the speaker distance and levels.

    1. Measure speaker distance and put correct distance from ear to speaker for each speaker.

    2. Find a sound pressure tool. The cheapest is the free iPhone app "Ultimate Ears". As we are not searching for exact absolute levels but accurate relative levels of each speaker, it's really good.

    3. Find a white noise source/go to the speaker setup to have white noise.

    4. Turn your TV speaker in speaker 2 mode until you reach 100dB in Ultimate Ears at the listening position. 

    5. Adjust individually all speaker levels to reach 100dB (front, rear, center).

    6. You're done, now the speaker levels are correctly set up.

    7. Try your new configuration before buying anything Smile

    It also has to be dependant on the master volume value (e.g. 55). What do you suggest as a volume value? In my setup (BL7-1 center, BL8000's fronts, BL4000's rears, BL2) is not easy to reach 100db with highest setting on the SPEAKER Adjustment menu. I have to put the Master Volume up to 74-75 to reach 95db. And my living room is 35m2.

    If I set the speakers in 2 speaker mode then I will only hear two channel, wont I? I wont be hearing the rear surround portion of a movie?

    What I have done is gone into the BS3 menu and made the 4000s fronts, and the 9s rears, and listened from my normal sitting position. I then have listened  to the rear channels through both the 4000s and 9s sitting extremely close to one so I could focus on the sound from that speaker. I heard effects in the 9 that were absent or much more muffled in the 4000s. 

    Haven't I read somewhere about people listening to systems with 5 Beolab 5s and how amazing they sound?

     

    Beovision 7-55 with Beolab 7-4, 9s and 4000s

    Beovision 10-40 with Beolab 1s and 6000s

    Beosound 1, 5, 2000, and 3000

    Beotime, Beotalk, Beocoms

  • 02-28-2012 2:35 PM In reply to

    • mbee
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    Re: Beolab 8002 or 12 as rears?

    Sorry Razlaw... I was a little tired... 100B is way too much! I meant more something like 75dB. (it's what I use to set up).

    And second mistake in my guide : I didn't mean "speaker 2" for the first adjustment, I just meant "main volume" : turn up the volume on your set with white noise until it reach 75dB. Its just to give a good base.

    I've corrected my "guide". I hope it's clear.

     

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