glad you are enjoying it Jacques. Any noticable surface noise bothering you by any chance?

BTW I have found a record on ebay that will make use of this machines back-tracking capability!  Might take a punt and try it out :)

Hi,

Yes I still have the teflon pad fitted.

I don't have surface noise but I can hear the leaf switches when there's a very quiet passage (between tracks or on pianissimi).

I am very surprised Jacques as these don't have a snap action, and the carriage will ride over them very slowly! Have you optimally set the leaf springs for clearance etc...?

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 Have you optimally set the leaf springs for clearance etc...?

Oh yes, can't you hear the faint clicks as the carriage passes over them?

 

I can as the deck traverses the table at 'search' speed but not when it is playing a record!

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I can as the deck traverses the table at 'search' speed but not when it is playing a record!

Indeed, but I can swear I can hear them through the speakers too!

What about that inner groove to outer groove LP then? I'd like to try that as well!

 

Yes so do I Jacques! Which is why I aint saying nowt

 

 

My 4000 also clicks, both in music search and when playing normally.

Also, I am wondering about any of you having the issue of inner groove distortion? The deck has been serviced and equipped with a retipped MMC6000 with shibata diamond. The arms are parallel and it plays fine normally.

I have also encountered same issue with the platter just spinning. I had to find a replacement relay for that one.

Hi Søren,

The clicking noises happen every time a leaf passes onto a switch. The later 4002/4004 have an optical system which cured the problem completely!

The clicking level possibly depends on the state of the switches themselves. It is heard when they are released, probably because the plastic has become brittle (I guess the red caps also act as noise absorbers). Perhaps new ones, if they could be found, would be almost silent.

The end-of-groove distorsion: for me it will depend on what records I play. Often, the bad ones have been played on a misaligned radial deck (which will never happen with a Beogram!) and they are irremediably shot.

Have you tried a brand new LP?

Where did you source the reed relay? I haven't been able to find double contact ones.

have you lot got sticky switches or something? I only ever hear mine when the carriage is in fast transit.. Think about it they shouldn't really make a noise as there is no snap action like you would find with a micro switch! Maybe try greasing the contact arms where they touch the switch tops?

I don't know about this. Was there grease originally?

I can hear them (17/25 switches) when there is no music, or in very quiet passages.

BTW how do you measure the tracking force (VTA) on the Beogram 4000? I bought one of these small digital scales (which actually seems to be too big for measuring the VTA on this particular record player) but I don't know how to lower the stylus without a record on it.

Hi,

You press "go left" or "go right" after startup (thus cancelling automation) to move the arm somewhere between the platter and armrest, then you can lower onto your scales!

Ah - thanks for the help. However my scale is to thick for that. Any suggestions for a scale that can actually measure it?

Or you could lift the platter up! A bit fiddly, but since this will be done only once... I use B&O scales!

Great suggestion. My VTA was actually too low at .75 where it should be 1.00. Interesting to find out if that cures the distortion that I hear on some tracks.

Chartz:

The clicking sound can be annoying when playing classical music, it clicks a few times, when recording onto tape, it captures every missound made.

It will distort generally more than my 8002 with rebuilt MMC2, on new records it distorts a little... Tracking weight is 1,4 g, which is what axel recommends for my MMC6000, measured with original B&O Weight.

The reed relay was found by an old friend who had worked at a B&O repair shop, he had one in spares.

Your 4000 arm could be misaliged in overhang. But I doubt it.  Some tips go deeper to the bottom of the groove than others, hence (boldly) going where no tips have gone before! I thought some of my well-played vinyl had lost their highs until I went for cartridges with a finer tip, thus "recovering" to a new lease of life!

Do your carts have the same stylus profile?

 

The rebuilt MMC2 is with near-original spec nude contact line diamond on aluminium cantilever while the rebuilt MMC6000 is with a shibata-cut diamond on a sapphire cantilever. It wonders me, as the MMC6000 treble response is more attenuated, but more delicate sounding. VTF is 1,4 g for MMC2 and 1,3 g for MMC6000, both as described by Axel.