moxxey:

rednik:

Are you really saying "let's wait and see" when you've ordered the MKIV? 

I think you misunderstand the discussion. I mean 'let's wait and see if it has LED backlighting or whether B&O would be stupid to launch that feature with their mid-range LCD TV first'. It's not the reason why I bought the TV. It was bought as there is a 10% price increase from today, so I didn't want to pay an additional £600 from Monday.

Read through the conversation above about LED backlighting and who suggested it might be included in the BV7-40. It wasn't me.

I would be properly upset if I didn't get Samsung's "latest and greatest" panel in my new umpty thousand pound TV!

OK, Didn't mean to offend and I understood all that having read the thread.

I was just genuinly amazed that you implied you don't know if a TV you just spent a load of money on has LEd backlighting or not.  I agree it doesn't mae any difference to the buying decision, and like I said it will e a cracking set, I just found it odd that you didn't seem to know the specs of what you'd bought.

Anyway, I know you'll love your new TV.  I also know it won't have an LED backlight.

rednik:

OK, Didn't mean to offend and I understood all that having read the thread.

No worries. No-one knows the exact specs, but as you know it will have an updated panel, with a 100Hz screen, a Blu-ray internal drive and perhaps a BS3 with updated sound board. As I said above, as the TV will rise by 10% from today, it makes upgrading now more important than later!

Not sure if this tells us anything but just perused the Samsung (UK) site and looked up the first price for the different "series" Samsung LCDTV panels on Google -

3 series - £450
4 series - £440
5 series - £464
6 series - £679 (incl. 100Hz)
7 series - £819 100Hz Motion Plus CCFL Backlight 84.7mm
8 series - £909 100Hz Motion Plus CCFL Backlight 44.4mm

7 series - £1235 100Hz Motion Plus LED Backlight 29.9mm

Puncher, I wouldn't get your hopes up re. LED backlighting on the BV7-40. B&O have a history of using older 'tried and tested' Samsung panels and I'd guess the design of the backlit panel may not lend itself to the existing BV7-40 case. They've only *just* implemented 100Hz, when they were already in rival TVs when the MKIII was launched! It's only taken B&O 18 months to catch-up

moxxey:

rednik:

OK, Didn't mean to offend and I understood all that having read the thread.

No worries. No-one knows the exact specs, but as you know it will have an updated panel, with a 100Hz screen, a Blu-ray internal drive and perhaps a BS3 with updated sound board. As I said above, as the TV will rise by 10% from today, it makes upgrading now more important than later!

cheers.

There's no updated soundboard either.  just the 100hz and blu ray

moxxey:

Puncher, I wouldn't get your hopes up re. LED backlighting on the BV7-40. B&O have a history of using older 'tried and tested' Samsung panels and I'd guess the design of the backlit panel may not lend itself to the existing BV7-40 case. They've only *just* implemented 100Hz, when they were already in rival TVs when the MKIII was launched! It's only taken B&O 18 months to catch-up

No need to get my hopes up - I'm not in the market for a B&O TV.

However I would be less inclined to spend my money if I thought they had to use "last years" panel - I know B&O were kings at analogue TV processing but now it's mostly software DSP programming I'm less inclined to think that they have the same lead they once had.

Then again, I'll never be in a position to compare, I could never afford to spend that much on a TV (I'm not a proper welder)  ............................... still hope you enjoy your new telly though

Puncher:

However I would be less inclined to spend my money if I thought they had to use "last years " panel..

Are you trying to wind me up Puncher? The MKIII is as good as I've seen around. I'm happy with the TV. However, there's the option to upgrade to the upgraded MKIV for a reasonable price - and I can put the TV upgrade through my media business - so it's worth pursuing this side of the price increase.

I'm not going to keep writing here why I have to justify my decision! It's done.

Thanks. I'm sure I'll enjoy it. Apart from the annoying sw issues, I have no real complaints about the MKIII.

moxxey:

Puncher:

However I would be less inclined to spend my money if I thought they had to use "last years " panel..

Are you trying to wind me up Puncher? The MKIII is as good as I've seen around. I'm happy with the TV. However, there's the option to upgrade to the upgraded MKIV for a reasonable price - and I can put the TV upgrade through my media business - so it's worth pursuing this side of the price increase.

I'm not going to keep writing here why I have to justify my decision! It's done.

Thanks. I'm sure I'll enjoy it. Apart from the annoying sw issues, I have no real complaints about the MKIII.

Not at all! I never asked you or anybody else to justify anything. Anything I said was my own personal opinion. Personally, I stand by what I said......... I'm not forcing anyone else to do the same.

I genuinely meant I hope you enjoy your telly - it wasn't a dig of any sort.

I will gracefully withdraw from the thread now as I seem to have caused upset.

moxxey, when you say upgrade your mkIII to mkIV, do you mean just swapping the panel in your old tv to the new one or exchange the whole tv?

You can't upgrade a TV to the new 'mk' version simply by swapping the panel - the whole point in the change from a mkIII to a mkIV is changes to the chassis.

It will be interesting to see the new Mark IV when it arrives in dealers but I won't be upgrading at the prices mentioned. Too much of a loss in such a short period of time.

Puncher... please 'gracefully' come back to the conversation!!

Simon, I noticed you didn't bother replying to my PM about upgrading.

I think what you're saying is false economy, unless you're planning on keeping your TV long-term. We bought our panel for £5600. If we can get £3000 for it over one and a half years later, where's the 'too much of a loss' that you describe? What do you expect from TV pricing? Can you do that with any other brand? Buy a Loewe, Panasonic and Sony for £5600 in 2007 and you wouldn't get a dealer buy it back for £3000 in April 2009.

The 'problem' is this: the same MKIV panel now costs £6500 (since the 10% increase). A BV9 costs over £14,000. The BL5s I bought look excellent value as they are now over £13,000. I asked around and had dealers refuse to accept the MKIII panel as a trade-in (I won't list them). This will only get worse in the future - if you want to trade up in September or next April, the gap between trade-in price you'll get for your MKIII and the price you'll need to pay for your new TV will be much wider.

I don't think it's possible to sell a panel privately, either. Impractical. I asked 'pre-loved' retailers and their offers were less than from the dealer.

If our TV panel was £5600 when we bought it, what do you think is a 'fair price' for your 2007-model BV7-40 panel, in your opinion, bearing in mind that the dealer has to sell it on, second-hand?

Anyway, I think I made the right decision and I can stick it through my business, so I can claim the VAT and so on back. So, I guess it doesn't affect me too much.

Puncher:

I will gracefully withdraw from the thread now as I seem to have caused upset.

You haven't caused upset at all :) It's very difficult to 'upset' me.

However, we've got to understand that the way B&O operate - and have always operated - is that they seem to use older 'tried and tested' panels from Samsung, Panasonic and others, rather than the latest. I guess this is something to do with B&O's slow product planning. They pick the panel and probably test for far longer than other TV manufacturers. Therefore we have to make the decision whether we go with this production planning or just sit out on an upgrade - ie. wait for a MKV with LED backlit technology, possibly in 2010!

Snag is, the MKIII will be worth an even smaller amount of money if/when we try and upgrade from a MKIII to a MKV.

moxxey:

Puncher:

I will gracefully withdraw from the thread now as I seem to have caused upset.

You haven't caused upset at all :) It's very difficult to 'upset' me.

However, we've got to understand that the way B&O operate - and have always operated - is that they seem to use older 'tried and tested' panels from Samsung, Panasonic and others, rather than the latest. I guess this is something to do with B&O's slow product planning. They pick the panel and probably test for far longer than other TV manufacturers. Therefore we have to make the decision whether we go with this production planning or just sit out on an upgrade - ie. wait for a MKV with LED backlit technology, possibly in 2010!

Snag is, the MKIII will be worth an even smaller amount of money if/when we try and upgrade from a MKIII to a MKV.

 

moxxey:

Simon, I noticed you didn't bother replying to my PM about upgrading.

I think what you're saying is false economy, unless you're planning on keeping your TV long-term. We bought our panel for £5600. If we can get £3000 for it over one and a half years later, where's the 'too much of a loss' that you describe? What do you expect from TV pricing? Can you do that with any other brand? Buy a Loewe, Panasonic and Sony for £5600 in 2007 and you wouldn't get a dealer buy it back for £3000 in April 2009.

The 'problem' is this: the same MKIV panel now costs £6500 (since the 10% increase). A BV9 costs over £14,000. The BL5s I bought look excellent value as they are now over £13,000. I asked around and had dealers refuse to accept the MKIII panel as a trade-in (I won't list them). This will only get worse in the future - if you want to trade up in September or next April, the gap between trade-in price you'll get for your MKIII and the price you'll need to pay for your new TV will be much wider.

I don't think it's possible to sell a panel privately, either. Impractical. I asked 'pre-loved' retailers and their offers were less than from the dealer.

If our TV panel was £5600 when we bought it, what do you think is a 'fair price' for your 2007-model BV7-40 panel, in your opinion, bearing in mind that the dealer has to sell it on, second-hand?

Anyway, I think I made the right decision and I can stick it through my business, so I can claim the VAT and so on back. So, I guess it doesn't affect me too much.

Hi Chris,

Actually I sent a detailed reply to your PM! I am gutted if you didn't get it as its gone now and I can't get it back. Retyping it seems too much of an effort!

What you say is true about the prices and I am sure they are probably as best as the dealers can make them given that they have to pass the TVs on again. All I am saying is that I personally am not prepared to lose £2,600 in 18 months. I have got caught in the trap of always wanting the latest thing, rather than sitting back and enjoying what I have. I'd love to constantly be up to date for obvious reasons but that's the very challenge I need to face otherwise I'll never be content.

Can't wait to hear from you though about the new set once you have it installed and running. Putting it through your business certainly is a sensible way of upgrading so it does sound like you made a good decision.

The_Beonic_Man:

Can't wait to hear from you though about the new set once you have it installed and running. Putting it through your business certainly is a sensible way of upgrading so it does sound like you made a good decision.

Who knows if the upgrade proves to be 'good value' or not. Of course, I did take the risk purchasing before seeing the unit, but only did that as I thought I received a fair price, was a bit worried when some dealers wouldn't even take the panel as a trade-in and the 10% increase was looming. Part of me believes I'll get the MKIV and see no difference at all. However, I saw the Casino Royale Blu-ray on the new BV8-40 and it was definitely a step up from the same picture on my BV7-40 MKIII. Possibly thanks to the 100Hz screen - movement was more natural and fast camera panning seemed less blurred, which is a problem with LCD screens.

I wonder what colour the info display will be on the right handside or the new Bv7-40 Mk IV.

We had,

Red on the Mk1&2 Bv7

White on the MK III Bv7

I wonder if it will be Blue because of the Blu-ray on the new MK IV????

That would look cool  I'd think but I have always liked the Red display!..The white was nice.

Anyone have any Idear????

I prefer the red display too but white isn't so bad, just doesn't match the rest of my product displays! No idea about the new model, I am sure it will still be white.

Simon.

Bv7Mk3:

Anyone have any Idear????

Unfortunately it's green with the MKIV. Doesn't look good either. Wasn't too impressed.

Oh Bum..lol..

Have you seen it then Moxxey?

Any idea on the picture over the MkIII and does The Mk IV have the new sound board in it?

Am I right in saying the only two updates are the new 100Hz planel and the blueray player?

Also did someone previously in this thread say they upgraded their panel to the new version? can that be done?

Scud:

Am I right in saying the only two updates are the new 100Hz planel and the blueray player?

Also did someone previously in this thread say they upgraded their panel to the new version? can that be done?

Panel itself cannot be upgraded - what moxxey meant was that he upgraded his BV7 MKIII to MKIV i.e. the whole TV (but kept speaker, stand etc).

B&O has just announced the BV7-40 Blu-Ray on its website:

"

The impressive BeoVision 7-40 LCD TV from Bang & Olufsen is now updated with an integrated Blu-ray player, 100 Hz picture technology and a DVB-HD module, thereby enhancing the extreme flexibility of this TV concept.

"

More details under the news section there..

Sound wise the Blu-ray player in BeoVision 7-40 supports the following formats: Dolby Digital 5.1, Dolby Digital + 7.1, Dolby Digital True HD 7.1, DTS 5.1, DTS HD 7.1DTS HD Master Audio 7.1, LPCM 7.1. Blu-ray discs with DTS HD 7.1 or DTS HD Master 7.1 will be decoded as DTS 5.1