Carolpa:

First: see the HDMI spec's (www.hdmi.org). If one decode HD-audio signals in the BluRay player and pass them as LPCM through HDMI, the HDMI version doen NOT play any role

Second: HDMI is an one solution cable. One doesn't need other cables. Espessial the use of SPDIF is needless

Third: If the video resolution send over the HDMI is lower than 720p, the sound will only be 2 channel PCM or DD or DTS. So to get mutichannel high resolution sound switch to an appropiate video resolution (also needed if you use the decoder of the player and send DD and DTS over as multichannel PCM)!

Fourth: BS3 can handle Multichannel PCM. Don't beleave the B&o spokesman!

Fifth: Let the Blu Ray player decode DTS HD MA or DD TrueHD  en send it through HDMI to the receiver as LPCM. The receiver doesn't have to have the capabilities for these audio formats itself. The connection is HDMI version independent. (PS3 and Panasonic BD50 are to player capable of doing so). Be sure about the video resolution!

Sixth: because the independancy of the hi-rez audio formats by using LPCM, because the independancy of HDMI version, because of the capability of multichannel PCM the BS3 CAN reproduce DD TrueHD and DTS HD MA and DVD Audio and SACD (aslong these hi-rez audio signals are presented to the BS3 as LPCM).

 

 

well the specs from hdmi org are written by the marketing men and so far from reality im afraid as this 250 post matter has already proved

HDMI was supposed to be the panacea for everything in the a/v world  instead its one big mess that could not have been handled in a worse manner. I dont understand the post im afraid

Razlaw:

You need a Blu-Ray player that does the decoding. The player will decode the DTS-HD  and send it as uncompressed PCM.  All three formats are lossless. The HD formats are merely ways of storing the lossles format in less space on the disc. 

Which is something that the PS3 will do, I'm assuming. I still don't understand why B&O answered as press query with the reply that the BS3 won't support True HD. However, I guess that their press office are just responding to the published specs. Who knows.

I don't know if the PS3 will decode or not. I am afraid to make the following comment, but here goes,  it is not listed in the specifications as a capability.   If you look at the specifications for other Blu-Ray players on the Sony page it will specifically list if the decode Dolby TrueHD and DTS MAsterHD. For instance, the S300 decodes neither, the S350 decodes Dolby TrueHD, and the soon to be released S550 decodes both.

PS398013 | PLAYSTATION®3 (80GB) | Sony | SonyStyle USA

"At the moment the PS3 cannot decode DTS-HD but it can do Dolby True HD sound. However, the PS3 will decode DD True HD internally and send it as PCM, which is basically the same thing, when connected to the Amp by HDMI cable. You will not get HD sound from a optical connection as optical does not have the bandwidth to cope with the HD signal. Have a read of the thread in this link, it may answer a lot of your questions. http://community.eu.playstation.com/showthread.php?t=185302"

So, bit of a mixed bag. I guess with a DTS-HD Blu-ray (Rambo, etc), we hear standard Dolby Digital.

Carolpa:

Fourth: BS3 can handle Multichannel PCM. Don't beleave the B&o spokesman!

 

 

Why do you say to not believe the B and O spokesman?

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moxxey:

"At the moment the PS3 cannot decode DTS-HD but it can do Dolby True HD sound. However, the PS3 will decode DD True HD internally and send it as PCM, which is basically the same thing, when connected to the Amp by HDMI cable. You will not get HD sound from a optical connection as optical does not have the bandwidth to cope with the HD signal. Have a read of the thread in this link, it may answer a lot of your questions. http://community.eu.playstation.com/showthread.php?t=185302"

So, bit of a mixed bag. I guess with a DTS-HD Blu-ray (Rambo, etc), we hear standard Dolby Digital.

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Which other players have you tried?

I have waded my way through this thread - before the thread descends into acrimony , I think we should come to a conclusion. Having studied the evidence, I think the problem lies in the implementation of the HDMI standard and this is no doubt something that will be resolved in the future. BR players clearly have different applications of the HDMI standard and this would appear to be the cause of the uncertainty. The fact we are getting mixed messages from B&O means even they are confused. Having spoken to people with inside contacts at B&O, I tend to agree with 355F and Soundproof but I am sure developments will continue to occur.

I would suggest that this thread has run its course and has shown a good level of debate but that we are starting to repeat ourselves. I have been asked to close the thread and will do in 24 hours if there is no objection. 

It seemed to me that the level of acrimony had subsided and there actually seemed to be somewhat of a consensus being reached. It seems that every piece of correspondence from B and O that has been posted here answers the question the same, yes, with the only discrepancy being whether the upper limit is 96kHz or 192kHz.  Perhaps I misread or misinterpreted the most recent posts. Personally I see no reason or need to close the thread down. Nobody is forced or required to either read it or post in it. If people are tired of it and stop posting it will fade away as all other threads do. If enough people are still posting and wanting to read the thoughts and opinions of others it should be kept open. Learning and the gaining of knowledge are journeys, some journeys are just bumpier and/or lengthier than others.

Peter :

I would suggest that this thread has run its course and has shown a good level of debate but that we are starting to repeat ourselves. I have been asked to close the thread and will do in 24 hours if there is no objection. 

That's a slightly sad situation Peter. This board ought to be self-regulated and this is still a fairly popular debate. Why do we have to close a thread? I moderate a number of forums across our magazine websites, but do not close or lock threads.

Feel free, but I believe that no final conclusion was reached. I may be wrong, and also side with 355f (and his wealth of knowledge in the industry) and his opinion.

OK. Let it run! I was requested to close this but I suggest that if people wish to continue, then they are free so to do. Members are also free not to answer though!

For a variety of reasons there is little I can now add to this debate, that has not been said already; accordingly, I have decided to retire

It would appear that everyone is correct in their own way, BS3 does support output in some way, HDMI further complicates the issue with handshake problems which B&O could not be expected to address in the development of BS3 and with every manufacturer of potentially connected products.

Then there is the interpretation of what some individuals consider HD audio to be- and that is another debate-

I think Peter was correct in his decision but maybe also correct to let members continue with it if they so desire.

Now cracks a noble heart. Good night, sweet prince, and flights of angels sing thee to thy rest!

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355f:

For a variety of reasons there is little I can now add to this debate, that has not been said already; accordingly, I have decided to retire

Same here.

The only thing I'd like to see is someone like The Stig, Peter or similar find out more info from B&O. In the meantime, I'll just sit back and enjoy my Blu-ray's. In fairness, although I started this thread, it was simply a query. I'm not disappointed with the audio experience from my Blu-ray discs.

It isn't a mess. But people think a higher version number! oops I got a compability problem. This isn't always the case, espessial in this discussion.

 

Maybe to understand things better see the DTS HD brochure you can find at

http://www.dts.com/DTS_In_Consumer_Products/DTS-HD/Why_Does_It_Sound_So_Good.aspx

 See the three different figures at the and of the brochure AND maybe than you'll understand. Because it is quite easy.............................

See a snapshot of my BS3 at:

http://www.bang-olufsen.com/Community/photos/photo-thumbnails.asp?albumid=241

Carolpa:

See a snapshot of my BS3 at:

http://www.bang-olufsen.com/Community/photos/photo-thumbnails.asp?albumid=241

 

I think you and I have been discussing this on the B and O forum, haven't we?

I think perhaps a consensus is being reached in this thread....the BS3 does in fact support Dolby TrueHD/DTS Master HD if the Blu-Ray player does the decoding, although whether the maximum sample rate is 96kHz or 192kHz does not appear to be settled given the conflicting statements from B and O?  Am I correct?

Razlaw:

I think perhaps a consensus is being reached in this thread....the BS3 does in fact support Dolby TrueHD/DTS Master HD if the Blu-Ray player does the decoding, although whether the maximum sample rate is 96kHz or 192kHz does not appear to be settled given the conflicting statements from B and O?  Am I correct?

Razlaw, 355f and I have withdrawn from the thread as it's gone as far as it can. I have a different opinion, so let's just leave it until the day B&O confirm for sure - I don't think anyone can settle this either way. However, as I said though, as we have top-end BL9's, even Dolby Digital will sound fantastic on these speakers.

Moxxey, you are humorous. You have withdrawn?  Why are you still reading and posting? Obviously you have not withdrawn.

 I am not the only individual who has posted in this thread since your "retirement" so please do not be so presumptious as to tell me what to do.

I also have Beolab 9s as fronts, with Beolab 1s as rears. As you say Dolby Digital from them is an amazing sound and DTS is slightly better. I did not think it was possible to be any better untilI I heard high definition sound on them. The difference is quite simply remarkable.

As for the position you  as well as 355f take, it is contrary to every single piece of correspondence in this thread directly from B and O, both from customer service and a DSP Engineer at B and O. I will continue to rely on B and O's satements which correspond to my dealer's statements.

355f previously posted the following:  "I have however taken action today to get the matter clarified from an individual within B&O that will give  a definitive answer and post the reply on here."  Where is his  "definitive" answer?  As he has retired from the thread I guess we will never get it. 

Razlaw:

Moxxey, you are humorous. You have withdrawn? 

No wonder Peter wants to stop this thread. Indeed, I agree with him. As I asked the question originally, I'm going to PM him and say it should be locked.

Discussing this with you is pointless, whether you believe in your 'free speech' or not.

You are not discussing it...you are claiming to withdraw.

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Telling me to not discuss it any more is not discussing it.

Sorry that you can't support your view with any facts and instead have to run to somebody else and ask those who disagree with you to be silenced!

As for free speach, I have never once said you should not post your opinion or express your opinion. In fact I have repeatedly asked for facts to show me I am wrong. I have asked very specific questions related to the operation of our BV7 and Blu-Ray player and the onscreen displays provided by both units that indicate the HD sound is working. I have asked for alternative explanations other than HD sound and have received no explanation. 

You, on the other hand clearly do not want views contrary to yours posted. Why is that?

Looking forward to finishing Hidalgo on Blu-Ray tonight with the high definition sound.

Thanks to all in this thread who emailed B and O and posted the answers provided by B and O, and to those who were open minded and looked fairly at both sides of the question with an eye toward arriving at the correct answer as opposed to silencing differing views.