Hi my name is Jonathan.  Just got my first setup it was givin to me by a buddie who just had it laying arond.  Its a Beogram 4004, with a 2400 beomaster amp controll center, and tape player.  The rosewood is not in the best of condition, but it looks good enought for me.  Trying to hook it all up, and this is all new to me.  I've got it all hooked up replaced the belts on the turntable and smaller belt for the arm.  Record spins now and the arm works perfectly.  On the down side Im not getting anything to the speakers.  I just pushed the wires into the holes (not sure if its a specail fitting) get nothing but pops on and off.  I did read some in the forums and have not taken the 2400 beomaster apart yet to check the bulb resistors next step I guess.  Just wonted to stop in and say nice site.

Hi Jonathan, Welcome to BeoWorld.

Which wires did you just push into the holes?

You need some 2 pin DIN plugs for the speakers. Lovely set up by the way! I have one of these myself and indeed my first ever system became this system. (Originally had a Beogram 1902 but bought the 4004 later - which I still have 27 years later!

joeyboygolf:

Hi Jonathan, Welcome to BeoWorld.

Which wires did you just push into the holes?

 

 Thank you,

  And I found the connectors online now.....  After looking at the connectors I had it all wrong.  So need to find some connectors this is all new to me so learning step by step.  Cant wait to get this going I cant get the volume to light up all the others are working then again if I had the speakers hooked might not have worked.  I wish I had the correct speakers Im setting it all up in my record room, cant wait to play my first record on it.

 Thanks Peter love the setup.  Just wish I had the speakers with connectors, antenna, and the remote then again the price was right.

jonathan,

welcome to beoworld! you have a great setup there!

what speakers are you using? if not b&o -look for some s45's! great speakers-great value!

 The speakers I have now are just for test I wonted to get the system all setup and working before I bought any speakers.  The ones I have are not worth using for quality.  Are 45's  B&O's?

By S45's Burantek meant Beovox S45's which are B&O speakers and they are very good indeed. All of the Beovox 'S' series of speakers are excellent - especially from the 45's upwards although most models were fitted with foam surrounds to the bass drivers which will have foam rot by now unless they have recently been replaced. (Very good speakers which were built using high quality materials by craftsmen and are amongst my personal favourite of all B&O passive speakers and are hugely underrated by many non - B&O afficionado's). 

The good news is that replacing the foam surrounds isn't exactly rocket science and these speakers can be bought for next to nothing. Generally speaking the higher the number, the higher specified these speakers are all the way up to the MS150's which are widely regarded as the best passive speakers ever made by B&O. S60's or S80's are excellent and have rubber surrounds so would be my choice as they won't have any foam rot issues. All of these models of speaker will benefit from capacitor replacement in the crossovers as time will have taken it's toll on these, there are a few threads in the workbench section which cover refoaming and cap' replacement.

Chris.

Hate to disagree Chris but I have S80's with foam rot!!

Welcome to Beoworld! 

There were two sets of speakers called S45, the S45 and the S45-2. Both sound good, but the S45 suffers from foam rot and the S45-2 doesn't. Confusingly they both say S45 on the front but the S45-2's have a type number of 6312 on the back and the frets at the front come in a single part and are not split into two.

I have two pairs of S45-2's that I for a grand total of £32 for both pairs and I am delighted with them. I had to replace the capacitors in one of the pairs (loads of threads here about that, costs about £10) and give them a bit of a clean and polish but they hold their own against most modern speakers this side of a lot of money.

Almost any of the B&O speakers from around this era will serve you well, I think B&O kit from around this era is some of the best value hi-fi you can buy anywhere at today's prices. http://www.beocentral.com is another good place for info.

 

Simon

 

wirralsimon:

Almost any of the B&O speakers from around this era will serve you well, I think B&O kit from around this era is some of the best value hi-fi you can buy anywhere at today's prices. http://www.beocentral.com is another good place for info.

I think the best thing is to read both here and there. Beoworld product descriptions have the detailed specs, but Beocentral also tells what (if anything) is wrong with a particular product

I recently bought a pair of cheap, ragged S80.2's. I'm restoring them at the summer house where I only have a pair of Jamo Graphic panel speakers (which are not bad!) to compare them to,  but my first impression is that they have a really tight lower end for that size and pressure chamber construction, while being surprisingly bright and clear at the same time. Great value for money!

 Thank you all for the speaker help.  Now I've got to track some down.  I have to admitt the area I live in will not have any Im sure so going to have to search the good old net or ebay.  If anyone knows some US sorces I would be gratefull.  I got the wires in the correct space but the volume still doesn't light up so going to have to take it apart and check those light resistors.  Im sure replacing that foam would be no big deal at all so gonna keep my eyes open. Once again thanks,

     Jonathan

jonathan,

what part of the states are you in?

re: the volume lights -it is prob exactly that. the tiny light kernels are prone to failure.
i am surprised that all the other ones work. if you decide to replace them, i would suggest replacing all of them. member: dillen -has a light kit available for these of the correct type.

joeyboygolf:

Hate to disagree Chris but I have S80's with foam rot!!

You're probably right then Graham - senility is catching up with me apace. I know some 'S' series had rubber surrounds and thought the 80's were amongst them. Peter & Martin will know better.

Chris.

burantek:

jonathan,

what part of the states are you in?

re: the volume lights -it is prob exactly that. the tiny light kernels are prone to failure.
i am surprised that all the other ones work. if you decide to replace them, i would suggest replacing all of them. member: dillen -has a light kit available for these of the correct type.

 

Im in south east Alabama just 10 miutes north of Fl.  All of them seem to work fine with the exception of the volume.  Thats awsome I was afraid that I would have to make some.  Im glad there is still some parts availble for these older models.

 Well got it apart and sure enought there are the bulbs blown so no to order me some.

Medogsfat:

joeyboygolf:

Hate to disagree Chris but I have S80's with foam rot!!

You're probably right then Graham - senility is catching up with me apace. I know some 'S' series had rubber surrounds and thought the 80's were amongst them. Peter & Martin will know better.

Chris.

I know what you are thinking about - the S75 has a rubber surround to the SEAS woofer.  

Just wonted to thank yall for the help.  Im now looking for a remote some speakers and someone to look at the amp for me.  Im ok with electronics, but not worty of tackling this afraid I will do more damage than good.  Going to get the bulbs and try that after that going to have to take it to someone who can fix it with the manuel.  Well guess Im going to have to keep hitting up ebay for some odds and ends.

   Thanks again,

   Jonathan

jonathan,

i did not recall, and after re-reading this thread... any issues you were having w/ the bm other than the volume lights.

what else is wrong?

 As far as I know thats all that is wrong, but now Im wondering if its from the phono not working going to hook up tape player put it all back to gether and just trouble shoot before I take the 2400 to get fixed.  I thought I had read in one of the tech furoms that the light bulbs themselves if blow will keep the volume from working.  After chatting with dilland I've learned there is more to it than that and realy dont know where to start looking.  Going to contact a budy of mine that I know has fixed a few amps and vintage items like this and get him to look at it.

besides the turntable...

did you get anything out of fm?

btw, glad you and dillen got together!

 I got nothing out of fm then again there was no antenna either.  I've found a guy here localy that deals in vintage amps like this to check it out.  Then again dout hes ever done a B&O.  Tonight Im going to hook up the tape deck and see what happens.

well, that is a good idea.

if the deck is known good, then you should get something out of it.

set the preset vol to low, if you are worried about it being too loud at startup

nothing from the ttable, could be from a bad stylus and nothing else.
nothing from fm, could be the missing aerial -turn the fm and afc switches to "off" and try again.

but, based on your location fm strength could simply be an issue. user: lazerwave on ebay (no affiliation) sells antennas...

good luck and keep us posted!

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should have asked... i assume you plugged the new din plugs into "1" and that the spk switch on the front is set correctly?
you may want to also try moving them to "2" and throwing the switch accordingly...

oh, and have you tried headphones?

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