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  • 12-17-2007 6:25 AM

    Lifelong Pursuit of the perfect Hi-fi

    During a recent British Airways flight I read the following article which maybe of interest to members

    Jonathan Margolis on his lifelong pursuit of the perfect hi-fj

     

    This is 98 per cent a man thing, I suspect, but it's truly disturbing, and most of what follows has happened to me. OK, you've splashed out two or three grand on a name hi-fi, the kind of thing that you'll see advertised in glossy magazines and for sale in big department stores. This is, you think, a lot to spend on a glorified gramophone, but you feel that you have at last elevated yourself above the hordes with their high street stereos. You take it home and you love it.

     

    But just a few weeks later, you see your brand, which you thought was unimpeachably upmarket, referred to somewhere as mid-market, commercial rubbish. And the sound, well -it's OK for 'the kind of people who like that kind of thing'.  Bruised, you listen to your prized system again and, without feeling very secure in this judgement, decide that you're no longer happy.

    A year or so later, you can't stand the thing any more and go to a serious hi-fi shop, where they snigger at you. They explain that what you really need is a system in which the CD player, the amplifier and the speakers are all made by different, little known manufacturers. This 'high end' system, they tell you, which will cost maybe four thousand pounds, maybe five or six, may look a mess, but you'll be hearing the real thing.

     

    Your high-end system is then the pride of your life, until the whole thing unravels again in exactly the same way. In my case, it happened when a manufacturer sent me a pair of speaker cables costing £600 to review. When my local hi-fi specialist set up a comparative test so that I could review them fairly, I could damned well tell the difference, or at least thought I could. And when I told them what system I was using, they laughed, "Oh, you're not going to be able to tell the difference with that kind of equipment," they said. And proceeded to sell me the virtues of another brand, which would cost around £12,000.

     

    A few weeks later, I mentioned this brand to a hi-fi buff, who hooted with laughter. "Those are just made for flash my boys with cloth ears:' he said. "We'll lend you our latest system, so you can really hear hi-fi at last."

    Soon, a £25,000 hi-fi with £10,000 speakers, all by suitably exotic UK manufacturers, was staying with us for the month. It sounded wonderful. a glorious wall of refined noise. It was well outside my price bracket but at least now, I felt, I appreciated what high end is all about.

     

    Until, that is, I had lunch with Ricardo Franassovici, owner of an importer of top-end hi-fi called Absolute Sounds in south London. High-street stereo, your typical up-to-£500 system, he said, actually hurts his ears. The kind of big brands I started out with, for him, "are electronic components without soul". The £25,000 system I'd had, he didn't so much dismiss as damn with faint praise.

    So what would be his ultimate, perfect hi-fi? It turned out to be composed of two brands. "I would have the CD and amplification by Krell and speakers by Wilson Audio:' he said without much hesitation. "If you hear equipment of that quality, it will not be like having the performer in your room, but you will feel you are in his room, and that is the difference."  The cost of such a system?  From £40,000 up to, maybe, £250,000, maybe more. It's back to Comet for me in future, I think

     

    Regards Keith....

  • 12-17-2007 6:31 AM In reply to

    • Alex
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    Re: Lifelong Pursuit of the perfect Hi-fi

    Highlights exactly why I like B&O. No endless upgrade spirals and it still sounds pretty fantastic if you choose the right bits...

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  • 12-17-2007 6:37 AM In reply to

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    Alex:

    Highlights exactly why I like B&O. No endless upgrade spirals and it still sounds pretty fantastic if you choose the right bits...

    Well said, Alex. Cool

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  • 12-17-2007 7:05 AM In reply to

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    Re: Lifelong Pursuit of the perfect Hi-fi

    Interesting to read the article. I went down this road for most of the 70's & 80's. At times I seemed to spend most of my time listening for imperfections in the reproduction process and not the music itself!

    In the mid-70's, before the CD, I had a very expensive turntable fitted with an SME arm & Shure V15 cartridge. The arm and cartridge cost me about 250 pounds I seem to recall. A lot of money then! I seemed to spend so much time adjusting the weight and bias of the arm whilst playing the 'Hi-Fi Sound Test Record'. If I got some sibilance on  level 5 of the 'violin test' I was distraught!

    As now all my music (including my CD collection) is stored in MP3 format and played through my B&O system, the overall sound is  I must confess inferior to what I had before, but do you know what? I listen and enjoy the music just the same and maybe even more!   

     

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  • 12-17-2007 7:28 AM In reply to

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    I found this a few months ago.  It is  part of an interview question posted on the Audiocritic site. It's not even a cartoon, just a description of one, but it has had a big effect on the way I think about hi-fi.

     Some time ago you published a very funny cartoon that, in many ways, captured the irony of the hi-fi scene. It featured an audiophile with a very expensive “high-end tweako” system demonstrating it to a music-loving acquaintance. After the listening session ended, the gearhead wanted to know his friend’s opinion. The music lover thought a minute, then replied, “He conducts it a lot faster than Bernstein, doesn’t he?”

    What I like about this site is that people are enthusiasts without getting carried away about $10,000 interconnects or solid gold speaker cables or any of the madness that audiphiles surround themselves with.

    Remember - it's about the music!

    Simon

  • 12-17-2007 7:38 AM In reply to

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    Re: Lifelong Pursuit of the perfect Hi-fi

    Great article Kieth. Have to wonder why anyone would spend £250,000 on a Hi-Fi setup though. Maybe £200,000 of that is just for the cables.Laughing

     

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  • 12-17-2007 8:51 AM In reply to

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    You know, when I was young I was so moved listening to my music in my bedroom on my brothers tatty HI FI, my dad had the B&O in the living room and I knew fine well that it was better. But the music I played in the bedroom really got to me and I still listen to these artists to this day 30yrs later. I think music can be appreciated on all sorts of equipment without spending the equivalent of the cost of a large house. I think its not worth it.

    Kevin

  • 12-17-2007 10:15 AM In reply to

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    Re: Lifelong Pursuit of the perfect Hi-fi

    For me the pursuit of perfection over taking time to actually enjoy music seems a tad pointless. I'm quite happy to just throw whatever I fancy listening to onto whatever bit of B&O I feel like playing it on and sitting back with a nice cold beer to enjoy it. I know B&O isn't the highest grade hi-fi money can buy but boy it looks good and is such a pleasure to use. It's a whole experience and not simply an exercise in fidelitySmile.

     

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  • 12-17-2007 10:22 AM In reply to

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    I can understand the passion of audiophiles. But the impracticality of having a dedicated listening room devoid of clutter lest they affect the acoustics put a full stop to this route. I wonder what audiophiles have to listen to their music in their bedrooms and kitchen. They cant possibly spend that much in every room, also it would be a waste of money because the acoustics of the room would just wreck any benefit of the expense.

    I like having the multiroom functionality of my B&O, knowing that whilst my equipment is not the best, it is pretty impressive.

    I did try out some pricy kit prior to my B&O but....and it a big but...my fiancee did not like the look of wooden speaker cabinets, and av racks with 10 boxes. And she balked at the price........which she did not do at the BL5's even thoug they were in the same price bracket. 

    Also reading about the importance of speaker placement just confused us......I am happy with the BL5's in each corner...they sound good to us, and just as importantly the look good, and will continue to do so for the rest of our lives. A "sound" investment. 

     

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  • 12-17-2007 10:55 AM In reply to

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    Well, since I got into the B&O virus around 2003 for life I must say that yes you can spend the rest of your life on that perfect hifi in other brands.

    A few months ago a dedicated Hifi store opend up here in town located right next to my B&O dealer. I have not sat a foot inside but they did put up a free catalog which I looked through but that's about it.

    Whatever B&O I'm using I got the best system I ever got in life and being a musician myself I know how a loud Marshall and big drums sound upclose I will say that B&O stands up really good in terms of actual sound reproduction.

    As you know I'm using the 15-20 odd years B&O but again the basic source of the recorded medium still has the most say on something sounding good.

    I'm happy in the Beoworld and it will properly stay that way as I'm not really looking for an alternative branch in a audio/video system. I went through the search of the perfect guitar and amp. That was more important and when I found it the tone hunt like B&O got way lower on the list of priorities and more on the satisfaction level.

     

  • 12-17-2007 11:13 AM In reply to

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    There's a lot of insanity in high-end audio and video.

    You could always get a Kipnis screening room - a minimum of 94 speaker/drivers. Why on earth you'd want one is beyond me.

    It's all about the music and experience. I like the "he conducts it faster than Bernstein, doesn't he?" above. Says it all.

  • 12-17-2007 11:25 AM In reply to

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    Re: Lifelong Pursuit of the perfect Hi-fi

    soundproof:

    There's a lot of insanity in high-end audio and video.

    You could always get a Kipnis screening room - a minimum of 94 speaker/drivers. Why on earth you'd want one is beyond me.

    It's all about the music and experience. I like the "he conducts it faster than Bernstein, doesn't he?" above. Says it all.

    That room just looks a complete mess. Worse still it will cost you from $2,000,000 upwards.SurpriseSurpriseSurprise

     

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  • 12-17-2007 11:42 AM In reply to

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    USD 4.500.000, actually. And I agree, a complete mess.
     

  • 12-17-2007 11:47 AM In reply to

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    Chris absolutley

     I enjoy playing whatever through my selected system ive got out, Its always good to hear them, ive heard all sorts of fancy stuff about AUDIO SYSTEMS but ive stayed with B&O since childhood, grew up with them and can't see that changing. I like living with my music as ive grown up with most of it and when I was allowed to drink for the first time i played lps with my pals on my first B&O RX2 turntable I bought and it was well worth it, great recod sessions. I regret selling that Rx2 to my pal (impulsive teenager) and have tried to buy it back from my friend on a number of occassions but get the same reply, no!! each time.  I am really pleased with the sound ive got now and later friends of mine agree as they have got B&O systems after hearing my systems and thought they were fab. One pal even drove me all the way to Manchester to pick up a system he bought and has offered to buy my speakers off me, so what can I say.

    Kev

  • 12-17-2007 12:26 PM In reply to

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    Re: Lifelong Pursuit of the perfect Hi-fi

    "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" same for music i guess if like the sound who cares what the "experts" say.

    I got B&O recently purely based on a seventies experience in a Stockport showroom!

    and my seventies music still has hidden surprises. And do you know what? my sound blows visitors away and they know diddly squat about hifi thingies.

    Nice post Keith!

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