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  • 08-13-2007 8:25 AM

    • Christian
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    New products 07-08: no surprices, or??

    According to the financial statement, published 5 min. ago:

    DVD2, BV8-32, Beo5, "Serenata" and BS6 will be launched during this year.

    Next year a "New audio concept, which will set the standard for musical enjoyment in the home" will be launched.

    Living room: BV7-40 mkIV + V8000, BL5, BL3, BM1 and BS9000. Bedroom: MX3000 and BL4500 on MCL2-AV. Around: PentaIII, CX100 and MCX35 on ML/MCL + MCL2-A, BeoPort and BL4 on ML, BS3300 + M75 as stand alone, BC6000 + BC600 and BT1100, LC1, LC2, Beo4, Beo5 and BL1000, BS2 and A8, EarSet2, Apron, Coffee mugs, Enamel Bagdes, Bath towel, Keyring, Books, Lots of miniature and the Bottle opener. Office: BC2300 + BL2500 and BS3. Summer house: BS Century.

    Addicted? Oh no.... ;)

  • 08-13-2007 8:43 AM In reply to

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    Re: New products 07-08: no surprices, or??

    And all the mentioned products (+ EarSet 3, US launch initially) will be launched within the next 3 months. The "cool" products will be the Serenata and the Beo5.

    The "new audio concept" has been re-designed a couple of times, initially known to us as the AV1 (aka BeoCenter 5). This could be some 12+ months away... an early guess was a price just below the BeoLab 5 (pair), and we will understand why the BM1 is only a option on the BV9. The soft touch panel known from the BeoCenter 2 will be taken one step further (see the light!). Those that have followed the information released for the AV1 on the previous and the current BeoWorld forum will know what type of product this is.

    Roger

  • 08-13-2007 8:44 AM In reply to

    Re: New products 07-08: no surprices, or??

    Getting really excited !! A new audio system …….whow!

    BV8 is mentioned in terms of price like the role the MX had.

    15 – 20 % of Audi A8/S8 buyers order the B&O advanced sound system.

    Nothing about the new Beolink home network …

    Link to the report:   http://www.bang-olufsen.com/graphics/bogo/reports/BO_0703_FUK.pdf

  • 08-13-2007 8:49 AM In reply to

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    Re: New products 07-08: no surprices, or??

    They say, that Beo4 and Beo5 will be the corner stone in the operation of systems for many years to come.

    This indicates nothing about a new (simple) remote, and a discontinue of the Beo4

    Living room: BV7-40 mkIV + V8000, BL5, BL3, BM1 and BS9000. Bedroom: MX3000 and BL4500 on MCL2-AV. Around: PentaIII, CX100 and MCX35 on ML/MCL + MCL2-A, BeoPort and BL4 on ML, BS3300 + M75 as stand alone, BC6000 + BC600 and BT1100, LC1, LC2, Beo4, Beo5 and BL1000, BS2 and A8, EarSet2, Apron, Coffee mugs, Enamel Bagdes, Bath towel, Keyring, Books, Lots of miniature and the Bottle opener. Office: BC2300 + BL2500 and BS3. Summer house: BS Century.

    Addicted? Oh no.... ;)

  • 08-13-2007 8:54 AM In reply to

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    Re: New products 07-08: no surprices, or??

    Roger:

    ...Those that have followed the information released for the AV1 on the previous and the current BeoWorld forum will know what type of product this is.

    Roger

    Any clues?? Links to old posts??

    Living room: BV7-40 mkIV + V8000, BL5, BL3, BM1 and BS9000. Bedroom: MX3000 and BL4500 on MCL2-AV. Around: PentaIII, CX100 and MCX35 on ML/MCL + MCL2-A, BeoPort and BL4 on ML, BS3300 + M75 as stand alone, BC6000 + BC600 and BT1100, LC1, LC2, Beo4, Beo5 and BL1000, BS2 and A8, EarSet2, Apron, Coffee mugs, Enamel Bagdes, Bath towel, Keyring, Books, Lots of miniature and the Bottle opener. Office: BC2300 + BL2500 and BS3. Summer house: BS Century.

    Addicted? Oh no.... ;)

  • 08-13-2007 8:56 AM In reply to

    Re: New products 07-08: no surprices, or??

    Sadly is doesn't say anything about a larger panel (46") for the BV 7........ So, is a larger panel going to come out????
    Just because it's mellow it doesn't mean it's less evil....
  • 08-13-2007 9:10 AM In reply to

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    Re: New products 07-08: no surprices, or??

    The "new audio concept" is fairly top secret, so we will have to hope that someone can spill the beans this Fall...

    There has been a shift in sales from 7-32 to 7-40 this year, and I guess B&O is fully aware of the fact that even European customers now consider the 7-40 to be barely big enough for a home cinema solution. The 7-series is a major success for B&O, and if they are to continue cashing in on this beautiful product they will have to consider a 7-46 with a matching BeoLab 7.3. And a lot can be said about the Danes, but when it comes to business they are rather cynical Wink

    Roger

  • 08-13-2007 9:19 AM In reply to

    Re: New products 07-08: no surprices, or??

    Reading the company's financial report shows that the UK has had a 4% drop in revenue compared with last year, Holland also saw a drop otherwise the rest of the world appeared to be in line with expectation. This is the second year where the UK revenues have dropped, yet the overall gross margins were up by 0.6% to 46.6%. Its not really clear to me why this drop in revenue, like Denmark & Germany it makes up a very large part of the overall business and perhaps the products are just lasting to long and not being replaced so often.

    Regards Keith....

  • 08-13-2007 9:35 AM In reply to

    Re: New products 07-08: no surprices, or??

    AV1 sounds promising! Certainly has been a long time coming!

    Wonder how it will look.. is it a homage to the 9500/9000? including some form of digital control??? i.e. BM1?  

  • 08-13-2007 10:06 AM In reply to

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    Re: New products 07-08: no surprices, or??

    Keith Saunders:
    Reading the company's financial report shows that the UK has had a 4% drop in revenue compared with last year, Holland also saw a drop otherwise the rest of the world appeared to be in line with expectation. This is the second year where the UK revenues have dropped, yet the overall gross margins were up by 0.6% to 46.6%. Its not really clear to me why this drop in revenue, like Denmark & Germany it makes up a very large part of the overall business and perhaps the products are just lasting to long and not being replaced so often.

     

    Given that pricing for consumer electronics has been in heavy decline and that B&O have altered this trend by INCREASING prices I think they have done well considering.

    It would also seem that as B&O moves toward ultimate lifestyle status!  that the brand will appeal to a more limited audience as pricing moves to levels that defy the market and a large percentage of customers decide to buy increasingly advanced  products elsewhere; In addition I think the sales drops in the UK in particular have far further to go ;as the franchise system whereby the store owners HAVE to buy all new products masks the true sales drop. In non flagship stores i would suspect that the footfall is very slow. For B&O its reasonably good for business but I feel for the dealers who must doubt the huge investment in stock will ever provide a suitable return and if new product will sell at a good margin that fully covers the losses selling outdated stock. ( particularly bad with lcd and plasma)

    Its a great pity that many dealers im sure will have to close as the policy of B&O is not sympathetic to the smaller store owners and this is something that B&O as a company should be worried about. In recent times most of them have just about survived selling BV7 and bl8000.

    There does come a time when even the extremely wealthy wont be exchanging the BV4 /5 they bought 4 years ago to find it worth next to nothing now- so im not sure its a question of products lasting to long- but questioning the logic of such a purchase with great and greater unease as the prices move into orbit! and perhaps wondering what size pioneer plasma they can buy for the cost of a beo5!!

  • 08-13-2007 10:36 AM In reply to

    Re: New products 07-08: no surprices, or??

    No small TV for the US and no mentioning of an upgraded BV7 32 for Europe. I wouldn't be surprised if they drop that one. May not make much sense to equip it with a BS3 and without it won't hold up to the 40".

     

    JK

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  • 08-13-2007 10:47 AM In reply to

    Re: New products 07-08: no surprices, or??

    355f:

    Keith Saunders:
    Reading the company's financial report shows that the UK has had a 4% drop in revenue compared with last year, Holland also saw a drop otherwise the rest of the world appeared to be in line with expectation. This is the second year where the UK revenues have dropped, yet the overall gross margins were up by 0.6% to 46.6%. Its not really clear to me why this drop in revenue, like Denmark & Germany it makes up a very large part of the overall business and perhaps the products are just lasting to long and not being replaced so often.

     

    Given that pricing for consumer electronics has been in heavy decline and that B&O have altered this trend by INCREASING prices I think they have done well considering.

    It would also seem that as B&O moves toward ultimate lifestyle status!  that the brand will appeal to a more limited audience as pricing moves to levels that defy the market and a large percentage of customers decide to buy increasingly advanced  products elsewhere; In addition I think the sales drops in the UK in particular have far further to go ;as the franchise system whereby the store owners HAVE to buy all new products masks the true sales drop. In non flagship stores i would suspect that the footfall is very slow. For B&O its reasonably good for business but I feel for the dealers who must doubt the huge investment in stock will ever provide a suitable return and if new product will sell at a good margin that fully covers the losses selling outdated stock. ( particularly bad with lcd and plasma)

    Its a great pity that many dealers im sure will have to close as the policy of B&O is not sympathetic to the smaller store owners and this is something that B&O as a company should be worried about. In recent times most of them have just about survived selling BV7 and bl8000.

    There does come a time when even the extremely wealthy wont be exchanging the BV4 /5 they bought 4 years ago to find it worth next to nothing now- so im not sure its a question of products lasting to long- but questioning the logic of such a purchase with great and greater unease as the prices move into orbit! and perhaps wondering what size pioneer plasma they can buy for the cost of a beo5!!

    I agree with your points, but why is this not effecting other large European countries in the same way was really my point. There is a small effect in Denmark, but most other countries showed their planned growth

    Regards Keith....

  • 08-13-2007 11:20 AM In reply to

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    Re: New products 07-08: no surprices, or??

     

     

     

    Keith, I think in reality sales are down throughout the EU region but product launches and the way the accounts have been compiled mask this.

    If one looks at new product launches just this year, BV9, BL9 ect. Every dealer has to have one of each item for stock- so all this counts as sales. In reality whats happening is that units moved have fallen but individual large ticket items make up the sales figures.

    the real evidence will be in the interim report and then we shall see if the dealers are moving these new productsat a sufficient rate. Also out of home markets and Germany the UK is the biggest market by far; so for sales volumes to increase in other less well established countries- its an easy task.  But when sales drop in one of your largest markets- this should be a worry for B&O at the present time

  • 08-13-2007 11:45 AM In reply to

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    Re: New products 07-08: no surprices, or??

    As expected no really news. Most of the news will be launched within a few months. I also noticed that they only announce a single new product second half year. It seems to me that they will not announce new products before they know they can launch it at the right time. Maybe we will see a single new product added. BC5 sounds great. I hope this new audio will have the same effect as BL5 in new BeoSounds to be launched in the future.

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  • 08-13-2007 12:07 PM In reply to

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    Re: New products 07-08: no surprices, or??

    Well I thought that was very interesing to read and thank you to MultimediaRobert for the link.
    Amongst the things that I found interesting was the fact that the two B1 stores which sell the most in the whole world are both in Moscow!
    I am also surprised that there is no mention of BeoX and also wonder who the other highend motor manufacturer is? Bet you it's Bentley.

    Andy T.

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  • 08-13-2007 1:18 PM In reply to

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    Re: New products 07-08: no surprices, or??

    About BeoCenter 5 -- or whatever it will be named:

    In the old BeoWorld Forum, back in the day, there was an interesting post about B&O product development, including a PowerPoint that was leaked to the net. There were mentions of B&O patenting a technology (aluminum processing) called Transilluminated Aluminium, also known as the concept of Intelligent Aluminum. Other sources confirmed a couple of years ago that this was a work-in-progress.

    So, to shed a little "light" on the BeoCenter 5 to whom it is of interest: forget the shape and design of BeoCenter 2, but think about the user interface, with the soft-touch aluminum panel that has painted words/buttons on it.

    Now forget the painted buttons, and take the thinking a bit further: a clean surface of aluminum, with nothing visible until you touch or approach it. Buttons appear on the even, clean slate of aluminum, illuminated from behind, much similarly to the glass surface of BeoCenter 9500 or the buttons of BeoSound Century. Add intelligence to this, meaning that only the "buttons" you need for any selected source or operation are shown up at any given time. You have an idea of the operation of "BeoCenter 5", and the pioneering user interface.

    Glass is easy to transilluminate (doh). Aluminum is not, and it takes a very special process developed by B&O. This is achieved by what are best called "microscopic holes", invisible to the eye, in the aluminum, made with laser technology. The microscopic perforation make up "words" or buttons, if you will -- perhaps even a display -- which can be illuminated to show up. When off, nothing is visible. And the whole surface feels like what it is: aluminum. 

    Forget ink and printing, that's passé!

    Since this is my first post, I'll spill this about myself: I've been following this forum for several years, and since 1991 owned just about every B&O product they've released, until BeoVision 7 hit the market. I was bitten by the B&O bug when BeoSystem 2500 came out, with the wonderful active BeoLab 2500 speakers and all that magic doors stuff!

    I was not satisfied with BeoVision 7 Mk I -- it did not live up to my expectations after the DVD Avant, so now I've been taking a break from B&O for a couple of years. Today, BeoVision 7 is almost ripe, with regard to PQ. BeoVision 8 32" is also of interest. I'm an "all or nothing" enthusiast, meaning that I could never imagine combining B&O with other brands. Since B&O's TV line has been lacking (for my needs, at least), I've been entertaining myself with a little less magical toys for the past two years or so. 

    I must admit I miss B&O all the time, so I am carefully planning the sweet return of B&O to my home and my heart. 2008 will be a big B&O year for me, and I think it will be crowned by the "BeoCenter 5". Let's see. 

    With this lengthy post, my greetings to all beoworlders out there. What a wonderful group of people!

    Klaus

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    B&O product history, in chronological order since 1990, after the onset of the treaded BeoVirus (I tend to upgrade/change my setup "infrequently"): BeoSystem 2500 (with blue speaker covers), BeoLink 5000, BeoSystem 7000 (complete; silver/black), BeoLink 7000, RedLine 60.2, BeoVox Penta, BeoVision MX4000 (black, motorized floor stand), BeoCord VX5000 (black), BeoSystem 4500 (complete), BeoCenter 9500, BeoLab 8000, BeoLab 6000, BeoVision Avant (original, 28" AR, VHS, green), BeoCenter 2300, BeoVision 3-32 (grey speaker frame, AR, motorised cabinet), DVD1 (grey), BeoCord V8000 (grey), Beo4, BeoSound Ouverture (w/ floor cabinet stand), BeoVision Avant RF (grey, 32", AR, VHS), BeoSound 9000, BeoCenter AV5 (blue), BeoVision 1 (yellow, motorized floor stand), Beo1, BeoSound Century (yellow), BeoCenter 1 (blue, AR, motorized floor stand), BeoSound 1 (silver, floor stand), BeoVision Avant RF DVD (grey, 32", AR), BeoVision 7-32 MkI (AR, motorized floor stand), BeoLab 3 (black), BeoSound 2, BeoVision 10-40 (grey speaker cover, AR, motorized stand).

  • 08-13-2007 2:03 PM In reply to

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    Re: New products 07-08: no surprices, or??

    Welcome to the forum, KlausSmile
    Thank you for taking the time to make your first post so interesting.
    You say you have been following the forum for some years and it makes me wonder, how many others read this regularly and don't sign up?
    May I be so bold as to ask you what it was that prompted you to join Beoworld today rather than last week/month/year?
    Oh and Yes, they are a wonderful group of peopleYes -  thumbs up
    Kindest regards,

    Andy T.

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  • 08-13-2007 3:33 PM In reply to

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    Re: New products 07-08: no surprices, or??

    I was thinking, if products like DVD2 and BV8-32 weren´t delayed, what new products could be expected?

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  • 08-14-2007 2:20 AM In reply to

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    Re: New products 07-08: no surprices, or??

    For various reasons (i.e. delays Smile) quite a few products will be launched this year, and I do not expect that B&O will be able to launch that many products for the next 1-2 years. But they are aiming high!

    Roger

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    Re: New products 07-08: no surprices, or??

    -multimedia Robert-:

    Getting really excited !! A new audio system …….whow!

    ...

     

    if you think the new audio system will be BS6, then you will be disappointed, because the BS6 is an MP3-player. The real audio system that has been talked about round here seems to be the BS5, which I miss from the report...Sad

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  • 08-14-2007 12:58 PM In reply to

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    Re: New products 07-08: no surprices, or??

    A "new audio concept" - very exciting, but what about a "new media concept" ... isn't that what we are waiting for? What I mean is of course a substantial upgrade of the Beomedia 1. Or maybe B&O will go for both a Beomedia 2 and a BeoCenter 5? Do they still hold the principle of separating pure audio from audiovideo holy? To me such a division is a little bit old fashioned.

    /Munin 

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