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  • 07-14-2007 4:12 PM

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    Crying [:'(] Please tell me I do not have to buy a Beovision 7

    Please take a look at the attached photo from my Avant 100Hz (not RF).
    I see this picture everytime I should have a complete black screen; for instance between zapping stations or a minute or so after using AV-DVD or TV. Over the last half year this effect became stronger and stronger; I even see it sometimes during dark scenes in movies or tv shows. The effect concerns me and if this is an indication of my Avant going bad that would disappoint me since the avant is only 2198 days old!
    And I am not ready to buy a beovision 7 yet; because I think the BV7 looks great when switched off but does not impress me enough when turned on. I would like to wait a couple of years before making the jump to LCD.
    Who can tell me what I should expect for my Avant's life expectence?
    Thanks for the info and best regards,
    Bieele 

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  • 07-14-2007 6:38 PM In reply to

    Re: Please tell me I do not have to buy a Beovision 7

    since it's only the blue, I think it's properly the tube. it's maybe possible adjust the G2 power to bay some time. But it's only going to gets wears from here on ,and at last powering down whit a bang, form the speaker in protection mode. Because the tube use to much power.

     

    You do Not have to buy a BV7... There are also BV9 Wink

  • 07-15-2007 3:28 AM In reply to

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    Re: Please tell me I do not have to buy a Beovision 7

    bang1:

    since it's only the blue, I think it's properly the tube. it's maybe possible adjust the G2 power to bay some time. But it's only going to gets wears from here on ,and at last powering down whit a bang, form the speaker in protection mode. Because the tube use to much power.

     

    You do Not have to buy a BV7... There are also BV9 Wink

     Thanks for the reply. To bad to hear that you also think this is "the start of the end". The BV9 is a good 'theoretical' option; but I would have to be lucky enough to win a lotery.

    But what do you mean by "form the speaker in protection mode"? 

    Regards,

    Bieele 

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  • 07-15-2007 5:13 AM In reply to

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    Re: Please tell me I do not have to buy a Beovision 7

    Hello! 

    Why don't you get your Avant repaired, if you don't want to change it?

     CRT tubes can be replaced, just like any electronic component.

     Your Avant is not so old and B&O spare parts can be available a long time after the product's commercial life is over.

    Your dealer should be able to fix your problem.

     Good luck,

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  • 07-15-2007 6:58 AM In reply to

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    Re: Please tell me I do not have to buy a Beovision 7

    Hello,

    Wha should I expect to pay in repair costs?

    In one of the previous responses it was mentioned that I could buy some time by reducing the G2 power. Is this something I can do myself? Would it help to adjust the settings under setup - picture adjustment (parameters like Bdr or Bcu)? I know the general advise is do not mess with the setup, but I guess if there is a time to do so, this might be it.

    I would like to buy as much time as possible because I am looking forward to the BV7 upgrade (hope the 32" will be updated soon).

    Thansk for any advise,

    Bieele 

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  • 07-15-2007 7:28 AM In reply to

    Re: Please tell me I do not have to buy a Beovision 7

    Hi Bieele,

    I've seen that sort of thing before. Not on B&O though - back when tellys were black and white, turning up the brightness way too high would generate exactly that effect. So I'd reckon something has gone out of adjustment, big style. As this has been developing slowly I'd hazard a guess at a component or two drifting out of spec. It'll need a service - it's not dying, it's just a bit poorly. No idea what the cost of that would be, but diagnosis should be easy and I'd expect the bill to be at the lower end of the scale rather than upper end - ie it should be more economical to fix it than to replace it.

    Cheers, 

     Steve

  • 07-15-2007 11:26 AM In reply to

    Re: Please tell me I do not have to buy a Beovision 7

    Yes, I also have to win the lottery to get one of these.[:'(]

    When it gets worse the current to the tube rises, and when it gets over 1 m.Amp. the TV goes in protection mode. and shots down. that resoles in a blob in the speakers.

    the G2 power is adjusted by a pot meter on Power supply, it call screen an sit next to the Focus pot meter witch also need to be adjusted afterwords..

    This can not bee change by the service menu do not change in that....

  • 07-15-2007 11:52 AM In reply to

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    Re: Please tell me I do not have to buy a Beovision 7

    I had the same problem with my Loewe.  I made an adjustment through a setting on the back of the TV, which fixed the problem.  (On my Loewe model, there were two adjustments outside of the service menu.)  I'm sorry I don't remember the exact setting, but it is worth a phone call to a technician, unless you are eager to purchase a replacement.
  • 07-15-2007 12:14 PM In reply to

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    Re: Please tell me I do not have to buy a Beovision 7

    Hi,

    A tube replacement is around EUR.1000, from what my dealer told me... The swap is definitly worth the price, except BV5 and BV9, there is no competitor to the Avant in the B&O range today...in my opinion!

    Cheers, Laurent.

    Avant 28 DVD, BC2, 2300, BL2500, 8000, to name a few...

  • 07-17-2007 12:12 PM In reply to

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    Re: Please tell me I do not have to buy a Beovision 7

    Thanks for all info.

    I have contacted my dealer and got a quick reply. He is very sure this problem is caused by the tube. He offered a tube replacement for a special price (660 euro); but I am not sure what to do. He also mentioned that I have to take care when I start to hear plopping noises since this might cause more damage.

    Not sure what to do; will visit my dealer on short notice to look at the options (in order of increasing costs):

    1. Repair Avant: advantage: lowest cost, still very satisfied

    2. Buy 'new' second life avant: advantage: real flat/DTS/32"

    3. Buy second life Beovision 7 32"; advantage: digital connections/sound

    4. Wait for new  Beovision 7 32": advantage: Picture/connections improvement

    5. Buy BS3 use current BL4000 as center with non B&O panel: advantage: future proof

    6. Buy BS3 with BL7.1 with non B&O panel: advantage: future proof/sound

    What do you think is the best choice? Other thoughts?

    Regards,

    Bieele 

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  • 07-17-2007 1:24 PM In reply to

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    Re: Please tell me I do not have to buy a Beovision 7

    I would wait for the new BeoVision 7 personally. The BeoSystem 3 is an amazing piece of kit, and building it into a telly, especially one with such a beautiful exterior as the BeoVision 7 is going to result in a winner!

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  • 07-17-2007 1:33 PM In reply to

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    Hi Beele

    I would go for the repair option (660 euros). You won't regret your choice.

    IMHO, the BV7 picture's quality is far inferior than of the Avant TV.

    Just my two cents,

    Guy 

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  • 07-17-2007 2:03 PM In reply to

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    Re: Please tell me I do not have to buy a Beovision 7

    Although remember that you haven't yet seen the BeoSystem 3 based BeoVision 7, which is a quite different beast to the current BeoVision 7, and supposedly outperforms the BeoVision 9.

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  • 07-17-2007 2:18 PM In reply to

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    Re: Please tell me I do not have to buy a Beovision 7

    I would tend to agree with Guy. 660 euros seems a pretty damn good price.
    I am a bit biased though, I love my AvantLeft Hug and even pat it sometimes just before bedEmbarrassed

    Andy T.

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  • 07-17-2007 2:23 PM In reply to

    Re: Please tell me I do not have to buy a Beovision 7

    Yip, I would also let the TV being repaired. Or, if your dealer can make a good price for an Avant RF it is also a nice option, the picture quality is still the best IMHO.

    Suc6

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  • 07-19-2007 12:48 PM In reply to

    Re: Please tell me I do not have to buy a Beovision 7

    May be off topic, but my dream would be to run a Full HD 1080p DLP projector that is pluged on the BeoSystem3.
    BL5 and BL3 would be part of the "fiesta".

    I am dying to see such configuration like this one !

    Guy 

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  • 07-19-2007 1:37 PM In reply to

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    Re: Please tell me I do not have to buy a Beovision 7

    GuyHui :

    May be off topic, but my dream would be to run a Full HD 1080p DLP projector that is pluged on the BeoSystem3.
    BL5 and BL3 would be part of the "fiesta".

    I am dyning to see such configuration like this one !

    Guy 

    Well when i tried the BS3 with a full hd projector im afraid the results were not as good as I had planned. BS3 although very good makes the image to dark and bypassing the bs3 altogether does a much better job!!

     

    Onto the new BV7 I agree that the bs3 based BV7 will be better-- is it only me that thinks the present BV7 is pretty awful??? as to the new model being better than bv9 , ahything else ect im not sure! LCD in display terms still has much improvement needed in panels alone ive yet to see ANY LCD tv ive been impressed with- get the avant repaired- still the best picture

  • 07-19-2007 2:01 PM In reply to

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    Re: Please tell me I do not have to buy a Beovision 7

    I really think there must have been something wrong with the way the BeoSystem 3 was being set up. I honestly have not seen a better picture on the market, by quite a massive margin.

    I agree about the BeoVision 7 though, really not keen on the picture at the moment (UK version). Hopefully the BeoSystem 3 based one will be along soon!

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  • 07-19-2007 4:01 PM In reply to

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    Re: Please tell me I do not have to buy a Beovision 7

    Alex:

    I really think there must have been something wrong with the way the BeoSystem 3 was being set up. I honestly have not seen a better picture on the market, by quite a massive margin.

    I agree about the BeoVision 7 though, really not keen on the picture at the moment (UK version). Hopefully the BeoSystem 3 based one will be along soon!

    Based on 7 months viewing experience the DTV picture quality of BS3 is not dramatically better than with an STB connected to a non B&O HD ready 42" LG plasma (I have both connected to the display). Actually it is difficult to differentiate them. I have never connected my Sony LCD-display (w built in DVB-T tuner) to the BS3 to check if there would be bigger difference. Picture quality of the LCD seems to lag behind the plasma in many viewing situationsw eventhough the plasma is 2 years older.

    It is actually very difficult to judge the picture quality because the quality is mostly dependant on the stream coming with DVB-T. In many cases source material is low def and you clearly notice that.

  • 07-22-2007 3:20 PM In reply to

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    Re: Please tell me I do not have to buy a Beovision 7

    Thanks for all thoughts and ideas.

    This led to a weekend filled with B&O thinking; saternight I decided to upgrade my membership, download the on-site service manual for the Avant and spend this evening on some troubleshooting. A very minor adjustment to the G2 power eliminated the problem. So I think my membership money is very well spend. This will at least have bought me time before I have to make a final decision on a new telly!

    A special thanks to the Stig since he already mentioned the G2 power in the first reply (he also mentioned that this probably is a temporary solution; but I hope temporary means >1 year).

    One (hopefully) minor problem left to tackle on Monday; last Saterday I agreed to buy a second life Avant 32" RF DVD at my dealer. But I assume he will understand that I would like to cancel the order because his opinion was also that the tube needed replacement.

    Regards,

    Bieele 

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  • 07-22-2007 4:04 PM In reply to

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    Re: Please tell me I do not have to buy a Beovision 7

    Bieele:

    Thanks for all thoughts and ideas.

    This led to a weekend filled with B&O thinking; saternight I decided to upgrade my membership, download the on-site service manual for the Avant and spend this evening on some troubleshooting. A very minor adjustment to the G2 power eliminated the problem. So I think my membership money is very well spend. This will at least have bought me time before I have to make a final decision on a new telly!

    A special thanks to the Stig since he already mentioned the G2 power in the first reply (he also mentioned that this probably is a temporary solution; but I hope temporary means >1 year).

    One (hopefully) minor problem left to tackle on Monday; last Saterday I agreed to buy a second life Avant 32" RF DVD at my dealer. But I assume he will understand that I would like to cancel the order because his opinion was also that the tube needed replacement.

    Regards,

    Bieele 

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  • 07-22-2007 4:05 PM In reply to

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    Re: Please tell me I do not have to buy a Beovision 7

    Bieele:

    Thanks for all thoughts and ideas.

    This led to a weekend filled with B&O thinking; saternight I decided to upgrade my membership, download the on-site service manual for the Avant and spend this evening on some troubleshooting. A very minor adjustment to the G2 power eliminated the problem. So I think my membership money is very well spend. This will at least have bought me time before I have to make a final decision on a new telly!

    A special thanks to the Stig since he already mentioned the G2 power in the first reply (he also mentioned that this probably is a temporary solution; but I hope temporary means >1 year).

    One (hopefully) minor problem left to tackle on Monday; last Saterday I agreed to buy a second life Avant 32" RF DVD at my dealer. But I assume he will understand that I would like to cancel the order because his opinion was also that the tube needed replacement.

    Regards,

    Bieele 

    Sometimes 1 + 1 equals more than 2 ... especially in the modern networked world

    I have also received a lot of valuable info from Beoworld (both the RIP and the present one). That was the reason I decided to upgrade. That time I did not need any service manuals - it is nice to know you can have if you need them.

  • 07-23-2007 7:37 AM In reply to

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    Re: Please tell me I do not have to buy a Beovision 7

    My last post in this subject: 

    Just talked with my dealer; it was no problem to cancel the order for the avant (Nice idea to have a good and trustworthy dealer).

    But his thought were similar to the Stig's: This is only temporary. Hopefully long enough to considere the beovision 7 update as an option (Please B&O update the 32" as well !!!).

    Regards,

    Bieele

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  • 10-30-2008 1:45 PM In reply to

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    Re: Please tell me I do not have to buy a Beovision 7

    Yesterday I had a big scare: The picture on my Avant turned black (with one small spot white in the middle) and immediately back to normal picture again. This took less then 1 second, but it scared me a lot. I thought this was the end of my tube; but it worked fine for the remainder of the day and today (so far).

    That's why I looked back to this post because I wanted to know how long ago I posted the 'blue striping' problem. It was nice to find out I 'fixed' this problem 1.5 years ago.

    Let's hope my telly holds up for at least another half year, because I still would not know what the best B&O tv to buy would be in the current range. I hope the fully spec'd BV8 will be a great product, or (keep dreaming) that I can find a great deal on a beosystem 3.

    Regards,

    Bieele 

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  • 10-30-2008 2:27 PM In reply to

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    Re: Please tell me I do not have to buy a Beovision 7

    I'd still go for a secondhand RF Avant Big Smile OR a BV5
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