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  • 07-02-2011 9:24 AM

    • ssonck
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    Update of B&O System

    Dear Beowolders,

     

    This will be a long mail: in the past I have helped my parents to build up their MCL-based B&O System (and I have enjoyed that a lot myself!).  They are now moving to a new house and want me to organize an update their audio/video systems.  I have already made sure that the new house has all the in-wall cabling (Cat.7 + empty tubes) installed where it might be needed but I am unsure what equipment they now should buy.  I would appreciate any ideas or advice on this...  So far we have not found a really good and knowledgeable dealer in Belgium who would help with this and would be willing to build something including B&O and non-B&O equipment (I guess this would be unavoidable because of the high price of B&O)!

    Maybe this kind of stuff is also interesting to B&O itself.  My parents have been very faithful B&O customers (and spent quite a lot of money on them) but I feel that it is getting harder to find something in the current B&O program that fits what they need and still warrants the price!  In the end, although they love their B&O many things have also needed (expensive) repair over the years and the service in Belgium has not been top-notch.

    So here are the details:

    Current house / available equipment:

    B&O: BeoCenter 9500, pair of BeoLab 6000, pair of BeoLab Penta (Mk1), BeoLab LCS9000/3500 (both MCL and ML inputs), MCL-based distribution (MCL 2 A/V, MCL 2P, MCL 2A), several Beolink 1000 and some very old stuff (BeoCenter 5000, Beogram CD 4500, some Beovoxes).  They used to have two B&O CRT TVs but they all broke beyond reasonable repair in the last months.

    They also have a bit of non B&O stuff like: Slimdevices Squeezebox (connected to the BC9500), new Samsung LCD TV, passive speakers,...

    New house: expectations
    Room 1 "lounge": Flat-Panel TV (around 50"), with 5.1 sound (room is not very large though)
    Room 2 "dining": Flat-Panel TV with stereo audio
    Room 3 "office": Access through iMac
    Room 4 "bedroom": stereo audio
    Room 5 "kitchen": stereo audio
    Room 6 "bathroom": stereo audio
    The features they need is:
    -Audio: access to their own audio database (they rarely/never play CDs any more), to internet radio and to internet radio-on-demand services (they LOVE their squeezeboxes)
    -Video: access to local TV (through set-top box of provider over cable or internet), recording of TV programs (used very often), access to internet (such as web browsing through TV), DVD/BlueRay
    -Top priority is ease of use and stylish design (single remote!?); high-end audio performance is not required
     
    Any help would be appreciated!
    If a motivated Belgian B&O dealer (region Brussels) reads this, he/she can of course contact me and figure out a solution!!
    Thanks from Berlin,
    --Stefaan.

  • 07-02-2011 9:45 AM In reply to

    • ssonck
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    Re: Update of B&O System

    Hallo,

    Some first comments/ideas on my own Smile post:

    1) I have of course been thinking of the BeoSound 5 "encore" (that was announced a very long time ago) but honestly I do not really see the point... although I do not know the price yet, in the end it would offer control of the audio from one single fixed location (e.g. "lounge").  But what is really needed is control through a similar interface throughout the house... In addition, although it looks "slick", I found the ease-of-use (with the wheels and buttons) really not very good.

    2) I have also been looking at the Beo6 remote.  But looking at that, I keep thinking: is there not a good app on an iPod Touch? An iPod Touch costs under 300€, has good battery life and works really well.  Why not buy a couple of those as remotes?

    Greetings,

    --Stefaan.#

  • 07-02-2011 10:09 PM In reply to

    • Evan
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    Re: Update of B&O System

    ssonck:
    I have also been looking at the Beo6 remote.  But looking at that, I keep thinking: is there not a good app on an iPod Touch? An iPod Touch costs under 300€, has good battery life and works really well.  Why not buy a couple of those as remotes?

    There's an app for that! The BeoLink App made by B&O. It operates an ML system via MasterLink Gateway.

    Evan

     

  • 07-03-2011 4:07 AM In reply to

    Re: Update of B&O System

    welcome :)

    ssonck:
    pair of BeoLab 6000, pair of BeoLab Penta (Mk1), BeoLab LCS9000/3500 (both MCL and ML inputs)

    it seems you have a reasonable investment in speakers that would be worth preserving

    ssonck:
    several Beolink 1000

    even the BeoLink 1000 remote has some life expectency

    ssonck:
    Room 3 "office": Access through iMac

    I infer that your folks use iTunes

    ssonck:
    Slimdevices Squeezebox (connected to the BC9500)

    it sounds like that is an analogue (AUX-IN, whatever) interface

    it seems you don't have a BeoPort

     

     

    I think you real challenge at this juncture in B&O and Apple's evolutions is whether to stick with analogue wired distribution or to seriously think about digital wireless distribution

    I persevered with my B&O wireless and got it working in the end ... so it can work and have reasonable quality

     

     

    I am trying to decide whether to take my home down the route of digital distribution via airplay ... but not all the dominoes have fallen into place ... so I keep waiting ... and waiting ... but have high hopes that the appearance of LION, IOS5, and some new hardware in the Apple range will clarify the path to take

    First B&O (1976) was a Beogram 1500 ... latest (2011) change has been to couple the BL11 with the BL6Ks *sounds superb*

  • 07-04-2011 4:49 AM In reply to

    • ssonck
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    Re: Update of B&O System

    Hi Evan,

    Thanks for the info.

    A first decision I would need to take is whether ML is the right way to go here.

    Can you tell me where I could find more info on this "ML Gateway". It has been mentioned several times in posts in the forum but I could not find a technical description on what it is and what it does.

    Thanks!

    Stefaan.
  • 07-04-2011 5:05 AM In reply to

    • ssonck
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    Re: Update of B&O System

    Hi Elephant,

    Thanks for your input!

    My parents currently do not use iTunes but the Squeezebox Server that distributes music to the squeezeboxes. That is actually a powerful and open solution. Unfortunately it is not so easy to use as iTunes.

    In my own home I have a complete Apple solution, consisting of a Mac Mini, 2 ATVs and a few airport expresses. Mobile iPhones integrate nicely. For high quality listening, I hooked up a good DAC to active speakers (non B&O). It actually does almost all I need, except maybe for future 5.1. Control is from iPhones, the mini, or from our laptops.

    Back to B&O: I would prefer digital sound distribution between the rooms. But apart from some "rumors" I am still waiting to understand what "beonet" will exactly be and how it will work. B&O is very slow here. I hope they will not drop the ball.

    One solution for my parents is a full-apple approach (similar to mine) but with the B&O active speakers. I am not sure how to integrate them though.

    Stefaan.

  • 07-04-2011 6:14 AM In reply to

    Re: Update of B&O System

    ssonck:
    One solution for my parents is a full-apple approach (similar to mine) but with the B&O active speakers. I am not sure how to integrate them though.

    Hi Stefaan,

    I agree the BeoNet is frustratingly slow in being revealed.

    So I am inclined towards the solution you have yourself.

    I have the advantage that ATV2 connects to a BeoVision, and therefore to two BeoLab 3s.

    At one time I did have an airport express connected to an AUX-IN and another time it was driving some BeoLab 6000s directly.

    Only the BeoLab 5s have built-in DACs, so I think you would need to provide DACs or use the DAC built into the Airports, but most of the people on the forum feel that the Airport DAC is inferior and even there recommend an external DAC between the Airport and the BeoLabs.

     

    Ed.

    First B&O (1976) was a Beogram 1500 ... latest (2011) change has been to couple the BL11 with the BL6Ks *sounds superb*

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