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  • 01-01-2011 3:54 PM

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    Beomedia 1 questions (and an interesting finding...)

     

    Hi

    I have just bought a Beomedia 1.  It was faulty but that is now solved (new caps in PSU and DC-DC converter) and I have spent a day or two playing around to see if it is worth keeping.

    I performed a factory restore and then did the updates.  It is now at Software version 3.02 & OS update version 3.05

    Q1:  Who provides the OS updates?  B&O or Microsoft?  You cannot request them like the Software updates and they only seem to be pushed to the machine under certain circumstances.  Does anybody know the mechanism behind this?  Does anyone have later software than this?

    It is actually quite a nice little box.  I installed K-Lite_Codec_Pack_670_Standard without its default Media player and selected all video and audio file formats and Microsoft Media player as the default and now it appears to play anything I throw at it Big Smile

    I spend a lot of time trying to get the B&O software it to access a USB stick and my external NAS box but despite trying lots of devious means, the B&O software always appears to know when you are trying to access a mapped network drive.  I did however succeed to get the software to access video and audio files on my USB stick.  This involved the use of NTFS junction points created with a 3rd party utility but works seamlessly.  The external drive would need to be permanently connected but it does at least owners to add extra storage without opening the box Geeked

    Q2: Has anybody managed to get the software to play networked files?

    I read on the forums that B&O may add NAS access to the Beomaster 5 at some point in the future.

    Q3: What chance is there that they would back port the change to Beomedia 1? Whistle

    Regards and Happy New Year!

    Richard

     

    Some of my B&O: BV3/32, MX7000, MX5500, LX5500, MX4000, BM8000, BM6000, Overture, BL8000, BM6000 Quad, BM4400, BM3400, BG-CDX, BM3000, BM1001, BM1200, BM1600, BM1700, BM1500, BM1400, BM2400, BM2300, BM4500, BM4000, BVM70, BVS45-2, BVS60, BC7700, BM2200, BM1900, BG8002, BM1202, BVPenta, BVP45

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  • 01-01-2011 4:49 PM In reply to

    Re: Beomedia 1 questions (and an interesting finding...)

    So, you got it working? Big Smile Good Job!

    Q1: B&O provides the updates. Once a week the BM1 contacts the B&O server and gets info whether an update is available.

    Q2: only through manipulating windows register it should be possible.

    Expanding the BM1 with a larger disk (i.e. 1 TB) is also an option and can be done yourself.

    Q3: none I think. As the BM 5 has covers based on an improved BM1 platform, they never implemented that in the BM1.

  • 02-10-2011 7:48 AM In reply to

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    Re: Beomedia 1 questions (and an interesting finding...)

    Well Beobuddy, I took your advice and have attempted to upgrade the harddisk to a 2TB Samsung SATA using a PATA/SATA converter (the type that fits on the back of the drive).  I have a disk image of the device that I have already tested by using it to create another smaller IDE and then going through the complete restore update cycle and I used this same backup image again to create the image on the SATA disk but when trying to boot this new disk there is a problem.  The BM1 just hangs Hmm

    I tried a restore from the restore partition but that just hangs too.

    I investigated this using safe mode (eventually boots after timing out whilst trying to load classpnp.sys) and by adding /sos to the boot.ini file and it turns out that both the main image and restore are hanging when they try to load classpnp.sys.

    Googling classpnp.sys and XPe returns hits from people changing disk types with XPe when their XPe image has not been built with the correct driver (motherboards that support IDE and SATA disks) but I don't understand how that can be my problem because the new drive's  type (SATA) should effectively be hidden by the PATA/SATA converter.

    Question 1: Exactly which SATA drive and converter type did you use?

    Question 2: The BIOS of the BM1 is not the latest available.  Did you upgrade yours?  What version is your BIOS?

    Any other suggestions...?

    PS: Sombody here http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/problem-booting-cf-t3255790.html has had a similar problem with CF cards and XPe so maybe it is the specific disk model that is causing the hang...Indifferent

    Some of my B&O: BV3/32, MX7000, MX5500, LX5500, MX4000, BM8000, BM6000, Overture, BL8000, BM6000 Quad, BM4400, BM3400, BG-CDX, BM3000, BM1001, BM1200, BM1600, BM1700, BM1500, BM1400, BM2400, BM2300, BM4500, BM4000, BVM70, BVS45-2, BVS60, BC7700, BM2200, BM1900, BG8002, BM1202, BVPenta, BVP45

  • 02-11-2011 2:30 PM In reply to

    Re: Beomedia 1 questions (and an interesting finding...)

    Sounds familiar. Took me some hours to find out.

     

    If you made an image from the old disk to the new disk, you've probably noticed that there are 4! partitions.

    3 of them have driveletter C, D and E (data). So, you probably have a new C, D a very large E, and a small 1 or 2 GB partition at the end of the disk. No need to expand that partition.

    The fourth partition is dynamically linked to a folder in the data partition.

    I have to look it up, but it was something like BM-System.

    You will find this folder still in your data partition.

    You have to delete this folder! Then make a new dynamic link from the fourth partition to a new BM-System folder on your data partition.

    You will notice, that entering that folder, you actually enter the fourth partition.

    Now you can start a recovery. You will see that the installation will succeed.

  • 02-11-2011 3:40 PM In reply to

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    Re: Beomedia 1 questions (and an interesting finding...)

    Thanks for getting back to me.  Copying the original disk/image to an IDE drive is no problem, it works and more importantly, it works if your perform a recovery from the recovery partition with the new drive too.  However, if I make a copy from the same source (disk or image) to a SATA drive it does not work; attempting to boot either the Beomedia or Beomedia Recovery partition hangs windows whilst it is loading drivers (Windows must fully boot before the Beomedia Software starts).  In both cases this is during the Windows splash screen at the point windows tries to load classpnp.sys.  I can see this because I edited the boot.ini file to see the drivers as they are loaded (/sos).


    What was the model number of the SATA disk you managed to get working?  I think this is important because I think windows is failing when loading drivers because it cannot find the right protected mode driver for the disk that it finds attached.  Plain vanilla Windows XP has all generic drivers available but crucially Windows XPe is built specifically by a vendor (B&O in this case) with the drivers it needs for the hardware that the image is to be executed on.  B&O did not include the driver for big SATA disks because either it did not exist or they did not need it, hence when you connect one Windows cannot start....

    Regards
    Richard

    Some of my B&O: BV3/32, MX7000, MX5500, LX5500, MX4000, BM8000, BM6000, Overture, BL8000, BM6000 Quad, BM4400, BM3400, BG-CDX, BM3000, BM1001, BM1200, BM1600, BM1700, BM1500, BM1400, BM2400, BM2300, BM4500, BM4000, BVM70, BVS45-2, BVS60, BC7700, BM2200, BM1900, BG8002, BM1202, BVPenta, BVP45

  • 02-12-2011 3:24 AM In reply to

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    I still think that you have an unfinished recovery.

    Windows doesn't need drivers for the sata/pata converter and if the BM1 starts windows on your sata disk, then it recognizes the disk also.

    So, again I strongly suggest that you investigate the folder BM-systems on your data partition. Delete it and make a new one.

    It must be possible to start in windows safe mode (F8) and repair the folder.

    Make sure the fourth partition exists with the system files on it.

    BTW; the classpnp.sys error sounds familiar and are part of the unfinished recovery. So windows safe mode is the only way to go.

  • 02-12-2011 3:35 AM In reply to

    Re: Beomedia 1 questions (and an interesting finding...)

    Btw. Don't flash your BIOS. You will lose the b&O startup screen.

  • 02-13-2011 3:54 PM In reply to

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    Hi,

     

    I downgraded to a 500 GB and used the 1TB for other purposes.

    Here: http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/Harddisks_3,5_inch_SATA/Samsung/HD502HJ/357626/?tn=HARDWARE&l1=Harddisks&l2=Serial-ATA

     

    The convertor I bought was a conrad version. model ST-106-2.

    I can't find it on the conrad site. It's just a converterboard which you can mount on the back of the sata drive. 

    This one also works (ordered it also to experiment)

    http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/Kabels_Adapters/Diverse/Adapter_IDE_controller_naar_SATA_apparaat/244665/?tn=HARDWARE&l1=Toebehoren&l2=Adapters

     

  • 02-16-2011 2:23 PM In reply to

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    Re: Beomedia 1 questions (and an interesting finding...)

    It would seem that all SATA to IDE converters are not equal or transparent as far as Windows in concerned.  I ordered and fitted a ST-106-2 like you used and the disk immediately worked as expected and I am currently performing another full restore just to make sure there are no glitches.  One thing I have noticed is that is that the HDD temp figure is now blank in the menu.  Did you notice this?

    Thanks again for your help..

    Richard

    Some of my B&O: BV3/32, MX7000, MX5500, LX5500, MX4000, BM8000, BM6000, Overture, BL8000, BM6000 Quad, BM4400, BM3400, BG-CDX, BM3000, BM1001, BM1200, BM1600, BM1700, BM1500, BM1400, BM2400, BM2300, BM4500, BM4000, BVM70, BVS45-2, BVS60, BC7700, BM2200, BM1900, BG8002, BM1202, BVPenta, BVP45

  • 02-16-2011 4:08 PM In reply to

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    Glas to hear the BM1 starts working again.

    I've had also another convertor which at first sight didn't work. Thought that the convertor got it's power from the sata/ide leads, but you have to power them with the help of  a special splitter which comes between the power ups and the sata disk.

     

    I've noticed the tempeture thing, but I can'r remember the solution. Maybe the recovery solves it.

    Did you check your system folder on the data partition?

  • 02-16-2011 4:26 PM In reply to

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    Re: Beomedia 1 questions (and an interesting finding...)

    I think that the problem with the first type of adaptor that I used was that it was not possible to in any way select whether the disk was master/slave or channel select.  There is a jumper on the new type and the paper that comes with it states that you must use the master jumper setting if the disk you are using it on is a boot boot drive.

    The hidden system folder (a link to the last partition) in the BM-SHARES was there and correctly pointed to the files on the last partition so that was not the poblem.

    I will check the temp thing again once all the updates are complete...

    Richard

    Some of my B&O: BV3/32, MX7000, MX5500, LX5500, MX4000, BM8000, BM6000, Overture, BL8000, BM6000 Quad, BM4400, BM3400, BG-CDX, BM3000, BM1001, BM1200, BM1600, BM1700, BM1500, BM1400, BM2400, BM2300, BM4500, BM4000, BVM70, BVS45-2, BVS60, BC7700, BM2200, BM1900, BG8002, BM1202, BVPenta, BVP45

  • 02-16-2011 4:42 PM In reply to

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    OK.

     

    If the hidden system folder doesn't point correctly to the last partition them it looks like you doing a recovery, but the recovering isn't completed correctly. So, I curious if you get it working porperly.

    Once you've done it, it easy to do it again.

    I've got it working just on a ordinary windows pc for instance. But mind the beo manager. You have to stop that service before you want to install anything.

  • 02-17-2011 3:48 PM In reply to

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    Re: Beomedia 1 questions (and an interesting finding...)

    Well it is clear that the inability of the IDE/SATA converter to read the S.M.A.R.T data from the SATA drive causes the tempmon.exe process to crash at startup (Runtime Overflow 6) and that the B&O user interface is blocked until the crashed process is acknowledged (<alt tab> <esape> <carrige return> .  Furthermore, with the tempmon.exe process hanging, some kind of finalisation process is not completed by the first application update and further OS updates are not started.  To get around this I have removed the execution of tempmon.exe at windows startup using regedit and the device has now completed its update process

    I am now filling the 1.8TB data partition with the contents of my NAS to see how well the BeoMedia handles large numbers of files.  I will be copying 4117 video files that reside in 249 folders (1.34TB), 16114 music files that reside in 1022 folders (149GB), and 5064 pictures that reside in 79 folders (6.84GB).  It will be interesting to see how well it can cope with and index all these files...

    Some of my B&O: BV3/32, MX7000, MX5500, LX5500, MX4000, BM8000, BM6000, Overture, BL8000, BM6000 Quad, BM4400, BM3400, BG-CDX, BM3000, BM1001, BM1200, BM1600, BM1700, BM1500, BM1400, BM2400, BM2300, BM4500, BM4000, BVM70, BVS45-2, BVS60, BC7700, BM2200, BM1900, BG8002, BM1202, BVPenta, BVP45

  • 02-23-2011 9:01 AM In reply to

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    I'm allso playing around with my Beomedia (thanks god for recovery) but not as hardcore as you guys.

    The Windows XP embedded OS has given me some problems with drivers, updates and so on. Do you know if its possible to update the OS to a full version of Windows XP without destroying the functionality of the Beomedia? 

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    Re: Beomedia 1 questions (and an interesting finding...)

    Hello Martin,

    What problems have you encountered with XPe?  The updates should come automatically and the drivers should all be there too.

    It is quite difficult to understand the complete restore process because the files are obfuscated to stop you from tampering with them.  I also think that the BeoMedia application is quite tightly coupled to the the hardware: it only works (and not very well by all acounts) with specific PCMCIA Wireless cards and it expects to find the Masterlink PCI card present so you would need to find the driver for that etc etc.

    Richard

    Some of my B&O: BV3/32, MX7000, MX5500, LX5500, MX4000, BM8000, BM6000, Overture, BL8000, BM6000 Quad, BM4400, BM3400, BG-CDX, BM3000, BM1001, BM1200, BM1600, BM1700, BM1500, BM1400, BM2400, BM2300, BM4500, BM4000, BVM70, BVS45-2, BVS60, BC7700, BM2200, BM1900, BG8002, BM1202, BVPenta, BVP45

  • 02-23-2011 5:07 PM In reply to

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    First of all, I have tried to install IE7 or IE 8 without any luck. I have concluded, that these versions of IE are not made to work in XPe.

    I allso had problems to update Windows media player, but I just noticed today that it is updated to a newer version - maybe it comes together with some of the other browers like Google Chrome, firefox or Opera, which I could install without any problems? - or could it be B&O that has distributed the update... anyway - it is updated. 

    Then I tried to install the Setpoint software that followed my logitech DiNovo mini keyboard, but that installation failed, since several files where missing (mouclass.sys, mouhid.sys among others). During the installation it keept asking for the windows XP installation CD's four or five times. I can still use the keyboard, but are not able to costumize the use of the different buttons.

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    Hi Martin

    I'm not home until tomorrow but I' faily sure that WMP is at verison 10 after all of the automatic updates have completed.  This appears to be done in several steps and I have found that it is best just to let the device get on with it and not interfere by checking for updates myself.  After all updates are installed I think you should have Software version 3.02 & OS update version 3.05.

    I'm afriad I cannot help with the keyboard issue.  However, if you have an XP installation on a PC you could always try copying the requested files over one by one and put them in a dedicated directory that you then select when prompted by the device installer.

    Richard

    Some of my B&O: BV3/32, MX7000, MX5500, LX5500, MX4000, BM8000, BM6000, Overture, BL8000, BM6000 Quad, BM4400, BM3400, BG-CDX, BM3000, BM1001, BM1200, BM1600, BM1700, BM1500, BM1400, BM2400, BM2300, BM4500, BM4000, BVM70, BVS45-2, BVS60, BC7700, BM2200, BM1900, BG8002, BM1202, BVPenta, BVP45

  • 02-24-2011 3:08 PM In reply to

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    You are correct about the software versions. Nice to see, that B&O actually are sending out updated for the Beomedia!

    It allso says, that the OS image version is 2.12 and the firmware is 0x189 - do you have the same?

    I will install the keyboard software on a XP computer, and then try to "steal" the missing drivers from that one. I actualy tried that from my main computer, which runs on windows 7. That didn't work - the mouse cursor disapeared, and I had to do a recovery to get it back, but maybe it works different if the drivers come from a computer which runs on XP (Thanks god that we have recovery...)

  • 02-24-2011 3:25 PM In reply to

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    Make sure that you stop any BeoXXX process before installing any software or hardware.

    I've spend hours, days to update ie, flash and so on. I even tried to install Firefox and then renaming it to iexplorer.exe that worked but then again the  favourite bookmark pages didn't work.

    Firmware 0x189 is the softwareversion from the ML board. No updates available.

  • 02-25-2011 2:43 AM In reply to

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    Well B&O have now apparently stopped updating the software for the BM1.  I think (presume) that the OS image version refers to the version they put in the restore image.  After a respore, both versions are equal and then the update version changes as updates are pushed.  Let us know how you get on with the keyboard driver experiment...

    Richard

    Some of my B&O: BV3/32, MX7000, MX5500, LX5500, MX4000, BM8000, BM6000, Overture, BL8000, BM6000 Quad, BM4400, BM3400, BG-CDX, BM3000, BM1001, BM1200, BM1600, BM1700, BM1500, BM1400, BM2400, BM2300, BM4500, BM4000, BVM70, BVS45-2, BVS60, BC7700, BM2200, BM1900, BG8002, BM1202, BVPenta, BVP45

  • 03-10-2011 6:00 AM In reply to

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    I finally got the keyboard software installed. I copied the missing files from another XP computer as you suggested, and now i'm able to costumize the buttons on the DiNovo mini.

    I'm looking forward to hear more about your own experiments with the Beomedia...

    Martin

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    Re: Beomedia 1 questions (and an interesting finding...)

    richtoy:
    After all updates are installed I think you should have Software version 3.02 & OS update version 3.05.

    Jumping into this thread as well as I recently bought a pre-owned unit (1750 / HW version: 1.000) as well. Did as most other people have done; upgraded the memory from 256MB to 1GB and replaced the 160GB PATA disk with a 700GB PATA. So far it seems that everything works as it should including the cloning of the original disk which after I did a full recovery which gives me the following software specs:

    Software version: 3.02.00
    Firmware version: 0x189
    OS image version: 2.08
    OS update version: 3.05

     


  • 10-19-2011 4:50 AM In reply to

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    Re: Beomedia 1 questions (and an interesting finding...)

    richtoy:
    I am now filling the 1.8TB data partition with the contents of my NAS to see how well the BeoMedia handles large numbers of files.  I will be copying 4117 video files that reside in 249 folders (1.34TB), 16114 music files that reside in 1022 folders (149GB), and 5064 pictures that reside in 79 folders (6.84GB).  It will be interesting to see how well it can cope with and index all these files...

    How did it work out with the filling? I've played around as well and uploaded to the shared folder around 200gb music; approx 31000 mp3 files which worked out fine. Indexing usually takes a while since I previosly used a BeoPort solution. But, here I'm kind of turned off on the handling with the media files on the Beomedia 1. I've been trying to using the Beo4 including accessing the unit via VNC and I had my hopes that it would be kind of like working with the BeoPlayer interface as I've done previously.

    Also I don't really see the point of syncing the BeoPlayer installed on a client with BeoMedia; it does a full re-scan everytime I start the BeoPlaer which in my case takes around 2 hours. I had my hope that I would be able to create playlists which I then would sync to the Beomedia which it doesn't. So for the moment stuck; guess that I'm doing something wrong here. Suggestions what to look at to get it to work proper?

     


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