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  • 12-28-2010 4:48 PM In reply to

    Re: So.. why do you buy Bang & Olufsen?

    9 LEE:

    It has to be 'design and materials' which i feel stands B&O above all.  Mass market manufacturers simply couldn't use glass, aluminium and expensive motors in their televisions and compete with their rivals on price point.

    To prove my point - how often do we call Ferrari drivers fools?  You can buy a brand new Nissan GT-R (Skyline) for a third of the price of a Ferrari F430 - with the Nissan actually edging the 430 on performance!  However, for most people, if they could afford the Ferrari - they'd buy it.  Why?  The design, the heritage, the name, the wow-factor.  The Nissan screams 'doughnuts in McDonalds car park' and the Ferrari screams 'private laps of Silverstone'

    There's a snob in all of us just waiting to get out. WinkLaughing

    Lee

     

     

    Eh....I prefer my "doughnuts" from Dunkin Donuts....in a Ferrari ...in a park...by a McDonalds...or in private...in SilverstoneSurpriseCool

  • 12-28-2010 4:49 PM In reply to

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    Electrified:

    Actually, I'd prefer a Range Rover TDV8 Vogue if I wanted a statement car :D

     

    I don't know what I'd use it for, though. It's a b!tch to park in the inner city.

     

     

    I shouldn't they are more like beko than Bang & olufsen, you would spend more time at the range rover dealers than the B&O dealers!

     

  • 12-28-2010 4:51 PM In reply to

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    9 LEE:

    It has to be 'design and materials' which i feel stands B&O above all.  Mass market manufacturers simply couldn't use glass, aluminium and expensive motors in their televisions and compete with their rivals on price point.

    To prove my point - how often do we call Ferrari drivers fools?  You can buy a brand new Nissan GT-R (Skyline) for a third of the price of a Ferrari F430 - with the Nissan actually edging the 430 on performance!  However, for most people, if they could afford the Ferrari - they'd buy it.  Why?  The design, the heritage, the name, the wow-factor.  The Nissan screams 'doughnuts in McDonalds car park' and the Ferrari screams 'private laps of Silverstone'

    There's a snob in all of us just waiting to get out. WinkLaughing

    Lee

     

     

    Well said! I agree with above

  • 12-28-2010 4:58 PM In reply to

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    Re: So.. why do you buy Bang & Olufsen?

    Nickyg63:
    I shouldn't they are more like beko than Bang & olufsen, you would spend more time at the range rover dealers than the B&O dealers!

    LOL, well, since I wouldn't know what to use it for, it would probaby be okay. I have heard similar stories about Ferrari, though.

    As it is, I'm perfectly happy with our Lupo 3L and our C30 D5. Both works a treat for our use.

     

  • 12-28-2010 5:06 PM In reply to

    Re: So.. why do you buy Bang & Olufsen?

    Cars reflect their country of origins very well!

  • 12-28-2010 5:33 PM In reply to

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    Re: So.. why do you buy Bang & Olufsen?

    Nickyg63:

    Cars reflect their country of origins very well!

    Shhh, the Americans might take offense! Stick out tongue

  • 12-28-2010 5:45 PM In reply to

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    Re: So.. why do you buy Bang & Olufsen?

    Thanks guys, some really great feedback here, muchos gracias!

    Thomas

  • 12-28-2010 6:40 PM In reply to

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    Electrified:

    Nickyg63:

    Cars reflect their country of origins very well!

    Shhh, the Americans might take offense! Stick out tongue

    Have you ever tried eating a hamburger while driving a German car!? Impossible! You can barely take a road nap in those things!

    There is scarcely anything in this world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little more cheaply. The person who buys on price alone is this man's lawful prey. - John Ruskin

  • 12-28-2010 6:42 PM In reply to

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    So.. why do you buy Bang & Olufsen?

    Easy, because all the products link together.  It's a collection that lasts for generations, a new BEO5 could work with my fathers BS9500 from 20 years ago, amazing.

     

     

     

  • 12-28-2010 6:55 PM In reply to

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    Re: So.. why do you buy Bang & Olufsen?

    TripEnglish:

     

    Have you ever tried eating a hamburger while driving a German car!? Impossible! You can barely take a road nap in those things!

    He he, no -  When I want a hamburger while driving I have someone else driving the car. It paves the way for an exceptional long nap before I have to hit the restroom with the car running for a quick getawayBig Smile

  • 12-30-2010 7:10 PM In reply to

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    My initial exposure to B&O was in college, I saw a Beomaster 1900 and S35 (or S45) "phase link" speakers. The touch controls on the unit were seemingly magic; this was one of the first consumer products to leverage digital controls and display for something that used to be a knob. Being a student, I couldn't afford any of this but thought one day I'd like to. Years later I was in a local hi-fi shop and they had a BC9300 w/BL8000 speakers on display- I instantly recognized the 9300 as an evolution of the item I had seen years earlier, and having been a pipe maker in an organ shop, I thought the 8000's were just the best looking speaker ever. So I bought a system, and when our house was built I had it wired with MCL cable and added BL3500s in the bedroom and kitchen, and CX-50s w/ a Cona in the family room to go with the TV. I have the TV setup with a Lintronic box to control the DVR, DVD, VCR, Apple TV and lights. I also have an Airport Express for playing iTunes, and a Ridax cable so my iTunes responds to control commands from the datalink connection. The 9300 is nice in that it has two extra inputs for the iTunes and TV sound.

    While my initial purchase was driven by mostly aesthetic factors and sound, I learned quickly to appreciate the smaller details in the controls. Back when I first bought the 9300, I had to make tapes of CDs to play in my car. When recording the tape, when the CD was finished, it automatically stopped the tape- just a nice little touch that most any other systems didn't have. Although I never use tapes in the car or at home anymore, the way the beocenter handles indexing of the tapes is pretty cool, the way the number lit up, it numbered the pieces as it played, and kept track of what side of the tape the markers were on so you could quickly go to whatever piece you selected.

    The long-term durability is phenomenal. I don't know the total hours the 9300 has be on, but it's on for several hours per day since the mid 90's, mostly running the CX50s/Cona. I hate to think what I would have to do if the system went out since none of the current products (control units) have the "wow" factor, except the BS9000. 

    As a brand, I think B&O represents a certain ethic. So many modern products suffer from the so-called Casio Effect, where a new product does 95% of the function with 5% of the effort. No one wants to put in that extra effort to make things just a little nicer, to do it really right. The older I get the more I marvel at things made before the industrial revolution, such as some amazing cathedral. Nowadays such a project wouldn't get any traction because a pole-barn makes a more cost-effective worship meeting place and here in the US at least you see churches spring up in very basic structures. Everything is done to meet a cost/profit goal, not for the pleasure of doing the thing itself; MBAs rule (ruin?) the world while the arts shrivel up. Hopefully, B&O will navigate the realities of the modern business world and survive healthy enough to continue to bring forth products that speak to the deeper human need for beauty.

    Steve
  • 12-31-2010 6:42 AM In reply to

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    Re: So.. why do you buy Bang & Olufsen?

    "It's not snobbery if you do something as a way it should be. This is the respect and passion."

    These products are absolutely not about the "speed, price, quantity". IMHO who are talking about these things, they don't understand the art, and the feeling to own and enjoy a masterpiece. They are the ones, who wish only to buy something, to race, to talk about the cheaper prices or the resolution and so such irrelevant things in this cases. They want to "win" to be better then the ones who owns these products - and to have good looking arguments on why they were purchased different products.

    But it's useless.

    You can always park with a good looking Jaguar in front of the Casino in Monte Carlo, but You will never park there with a gold plated Phaeton even it worth ten times more money. It's just the same if You show a Beosystem 2500 to any "newbees", because they will call it a "Sci-Fi music system from the future". And that's the real difference between a consumer product and a heritage. A heritage is timeless.

    IMHO, if You forget about the money, the question and the answer will be obvious in these cases:

    - Will You purchase products from these brands?

     - [View:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP1LmffrRxw#t=5m17s] (- 5m29)

    So IMHO the correct question is not "why do You buy B&O?", but "Why? Why not!" Yes -  thumbs up

  • 12-31-2010 11:52 AM In reply to

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    Re: So.. why do you buy Bang & Olufsen?

    Because I'm a pseud with more money that sense?

  • 12-31-2010 12:00 PM In reply to

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    Re: So.. why do you buy Bang & Olufsen?

    Henry:

    Because I'm a pseud with more money that sense?

    Are you here to troll or something?

     

    Not that I don't misspell stuff, but it's spelled "suit".

     

     

  • 12-31-2010 12:10 PM In reply to

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    Re: So.. why do you buy Bang & Olufsen?

    Concise Oxford English Dictionary:

    pseud n Brit informal a pretentious person; a poseur

    But then you know that and are just trying to troll me.

  • 12-31-2010 12:17 PM In reply to

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    Re: So.. why do you buy Bang & Olufsen?

    Henry:

    Concise Oxford English Dictionary:

    pseud n Brit informal a pretentious person; a poseur

    But then you know that and are just trying to troll me.

    No, I didn't know that (I'm Danish and have Danish as my first language).

     

  • 12-31-2010 12:23 PM In reply to

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    Re: So.. why do you buy Bang & Olufsen?

    Henry:
    Because I'm a pseud with more money that sense?

    Thank you for the perfect example! Smile

  • 12-31-2010 12:44 PM In reply to

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    Re: So.. why do you buy Bang & Olufsen?

    Electrified:

    Nickyg63:
    I shouldn't they are more like beko than Bang & olufsen, you would spend more time at the range rover dealers than the B&O dealers!

    LOL, well, since I wouldn't know what to use it for, it would probaby be okay. I have heard similar stories about Ferrari, though.

    As it is, I'm perfectly happy with our Lupo 3L and our C30 D5. Both works a treat for our use.

     

     

    Difference is though. When a Range Rover breaks down, it's called unreliability. When a Ferrai breaks downs, it's called character.LaughingLaughing

     

    CraigSmile

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  • 12-31-2010 12:59 PM In reply to

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    Is Ferrari owned by Apple then?

    Juan Herrero

  • 12-31-2010 9:19 PM In reply to

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    Re: So.. why do you buy Bang & Olufsen?

    Craig:
    Difference is though. When a Range Rover breaks down, it's called unreliability. When a Ferrai breaks downs, it's called character.LaughingLaughing

     

    Hehe, I thought that only applied to Alfa Romeo, but perhaps that works with any Italian car? Hmm

  • 01-01-2011 12:37 PM In reply to

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    Can't say I 'buy' B&O as such

    But, I've owned a fair few over the years. My first was a Beomaster 1400 with Beovox 1702 that I got at a jumble sale (mentioned in another thread) for £3 each. The Beomaster wasn't working so I took it to a guy who repaired hi-fi stuff. Turned out I should have connected an arial! That cost me £25!

    I later sold the Beomaster, in the for sale ads before Ebay for £25. Another guy called and said I could have got up to £400!

    Most I paid was £250 for a Beomaster 5000 and Beovox S80s. It died after the selector pad kind of collapsed and was not repairable. I binned it and gave the speakers away! I've owned a Beocenter 2000 but I think the 80s was essentially dead designwise and this was a good example with too many exposed sliders - the age of the 'graphic equalizers' the more the more impressive!

    I suppose my favourite would be the Beomaster 8000 for sheer audacity of design. Beo-utiful!

    Anyway, what attracts me to B&O are the visual aesthetics in the first place, next it the actual handling - the tactile quality, then the sound which doesn't disappoint.

    It's not only B&O that I'm attracted to. There are Thorens and Lenco for their record decks; Quad for their amps and tuners and Tannoy for their speakers (had a pair of Buckinghams once!)

    See here for some B&O bits I've owned http://www.flickr.com/photos/36040317@N02/sets/72157615118414526/

    and here for Quad http://www.flickr.com/photos/36040317@N02/sets/72157615409502833/

    Have a good New Year, y'all

    Mike

  • 01-01-2011 12:50 PM In reply to

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    I buy for the looks, the sound and the materials used. The ergonomics are also important. In my humble opinion, the product that most epitomises everything that was best about B&O was the Beocenter 9500. It is not the best sounding or most powerful, though it is not bad in either department, but if is made from wonderful materials, looks fantastic, sounds wonderful through both active and passive speakers, and has a wonderful user interface. This comprises electronic covers - this is not referring to the whizzy lids that cover the CD and Tape mechanisms which certain books seem to imagine it does, but to the fact that only the relevant controls are lit up when one is operating the system. It also works with the Beolink 7000 and so offers massive programming opportunities. The withdrawal from touch sensitive glass surfaces by B&O always astounded me as the 9500 showed they were complete masters at it.

  • 01-04-2011 10:42 AM In reply to

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    Hi

    This is the type of question that we all have to answer to ourself when we buy B&O. I mean they are not cheap and people at visit ask this question now and then.

    My answer is that you can have very good sound at home with an equipment that does not take over a part of the room. Further, the equipment from B&O is, as many describe, stylish. As a bonus you get a simple but well working multiroom possiblility that can be expandable. When we started looking at B&O, we thought that the multiroom possibilities was maybe too simple. But after have lived with ML in two zones for a while now, we think it is quite enough.

    However, I can not say that the B&O solution is simple. The equipment is best installed by proffesionals and I definitely do not think that the equipment is easy to understand. I think that Beo4 is a very bad remote. It was probably good for some ten years ago compared to others, but not today compared to iPhone e t c with 2 way communications or multi remotes. I hear though that new technology is coming from B&O as well. When it does, I hope it is not too late.

    I like B&O and their concept a lot but not everything. It is tragic that TVs from B&O have ended up with todays price tags. We wanted to get another zone, a telephone and a TV installed before christmas but our installer had not the time. The installation will be in a couple of weeks instead. We will buy beovox for the music zone, beocom 5 and a Grundig TV 40". I wish that the TV could be B&O, but they are simply to expensive.

    I hope that 2011 will be happy for you all

    Clakke

  • 01-04-2011 10:59 AM In reply to

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    Re: So.. why do you buy Bang & Olufsen?

    Clakke,

    The two-way B&O remote is here:

     

    http://www.bang-olufsen.dk/beo6-remote-control

     

    Smile

  • 01-04-2011 11:40 AM In reply to

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    Electrified:

    Clakke,

    The two-way B&O remote is here:

     

    http://www.bang-olufsen.dk/beo6-remote-control

     

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    Hi Electrified

    Thank you, I have heard about it here and read about it. From what I understand, it won´t do so much difference with our BS4 for the momentBig Smile

    But this was what I mentioned in my post. They could be really good these future products. I just hope that it is not to late. If they had released the encore a little earlier, we might have bought it. Now we already have beoport and iPhone. Well, I will not say no already.

    Clakke

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