brendon: Thanks everyone for your advice. So I guess I'll look for a pair of older BL4000's without ICE.
Thanks
I think you should hear the new ones, with ICE, before deciding against them. Maybe your dealer can arrange a with and without listening session for you. Someone in this thread did mention a possible problem with them together with BL8000s ... while in other threads I have read that they have very rich sound with good bass. Haven't listened to the new ones, so I can't say either way.