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  • 08-16-2010 1:49 PM

    beolab 6002 +8002

    Does anyone have the specificationes?

  • 08-16-2010 2:20 PM In reply to

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    Try the product section of this web site.

     

    Chris

  • 08-16-2010 3:28 PM In reply to

    Re: beolab 6002 +8002

    I think they have ICE power amps and LED On/OFF lights placed in an alternative location to the Mk1's and 2's to differentiate them.

    Hardly ground-breaking stuff.

  • 08-16-2010 4:02 PM In reply to

    Re: beolab 6002 +8002

    They will have 2x125W ICE amplifiers per speaker, new drive units, smaller heat sinks and both will have the three way switches to aid placement. They are also delayed at present!! Laughing

    It is stated that performance will be unaffected and that the price will be the same!

  • 08-16-2010 5:15 PM In reply to

    Re: beolab 6002 +8002

    They are also delayed at present!!

    of courseBig Smile

  • 08-16-2010 5:20 PM In reply to

    Re: beolab 6002 +8002

    Specifications now on site.

  • 08-16-2010 5:22 PM In reply to

    Re: beolab 6002 +8002

    There is a little difference in the frequency range...but not much.

  • 08-16-2010 5:26 PM In reply to

    Re: beolab 6002 +8002

    Both 6002 & 8002 have the same power amplifier for tweeter & woofer?

    The race for quality has no finish line- so technically, it's more like a death march.

  • 08-16-2010 5:26 PM In reply to

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    Re: beolab 6002 +8002

    Peter :

     

    It is stated that performance will be unaffected and that the price will be the same!

    Why are they upgrading them then? Confused

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  • 08-16-2010 5:29 PM In reply to

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    @peter: I think there's something wrong with the specs... The 6000's go lower than the 8000's

    The race for quality has no finish line- so technically, it's more like a death march.

  • 08-16-2010 6:08 PM In reply to

    Re: beolab 6002 +8002

    Dave:

    Peter :

     

    It is stated that performance will be unaffected and that the price will be the same!

    Why are they upgrading them then? Confused

    You've got a point there. I would think that an upgrade would mean better performance -or lower prices -or both! Big Smile
    Or maybe just higher prices -like we're getting used to from B&O Wink

    Does anybody remember around 1991/92 when they released the MX/LX mkII-range..? The mkII models did actually have a better tube (Blackline S) than their predecessors -at a lower price!!! In Denmark the difference was 1000,-dkr (roughly 160-170$).
    Those were the days...

  • 08-16-2010 6:21 PM In reply to

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    Re: beolab 6002 +8002

    What's the bet that these new speakers do not sound as good as the originals?

    The 4000's suffer from this result, why is B&O changing the innards?

    ...Why??

     

    Is it just me, or is B&O starting to look like a lost child in a supermarket

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  • 08-16-2010 6:26 PM In reply to

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    Re: beolab 6002 +8002

    Dave:
    Why are they upgrading them then? Confused

    I'd guess that the new version is cheaper to manufacture.

  • 08-16-2010 6:49 PM In reply to

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    The ICEpower amps will probably cost them less than the other sourced amps... Makes sense economically.

    The race for quality has no finish line- so technically, it's more like a death march.

  • 08-17-2010 3:09 AM In reply to

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    Re: beolab 6002 +8002

    Karel Uyttendaele:

    @peter: I think there's something wrong with the specs... The 6000's go lower than the 8000's

     

    I wouldn't spend too much time worrying about it - the specs they've released are complete tosh -

    EFFECTIVE FREQUENCY RANGE*
    48-28,000 Hz

    MEASUREMENT CONDITIONS:
    *EFFECTIVE FREQUENCY RANGE is measured at -10 dB re. Ref level (200-2000 Hz
    )

    Firstly, quoting the bandwidth to -10dB is attempting to exaggerate the bandwidth which would normally be quoted at -3db levels. Secondly, dB is a relative measure which needs a reference value to make sense, normally a SPL or voltage. In this case they quote a frequency range of 200-2000HzHmm - which makes no sense at all. If they mean that the -10dB is relative to the max. SPL value in the 200-2000Hz range, it begs the question what is happening to the speaker output below 200Hz and above 2KHz?Confused

    I think a noticeable difference in the speaker specs is the standby power - down from 2.5W to 0.4W, this alone could be the major reason for the change given recent legislation in this area.

    I also suspect that they will be cheaper to produce.

    It will be interesting to hear the first reports of a (hopefully blind) side by side play-off!

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  • 08-17-2010 6:06 AM In reply to

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    I think it's a shame that after upgrading to compete 'digital' amplification there is no digital input like on BL5's. I'd say that (especially for B&O) class D amplification and digital music is the future, why not do away with DAC's and stuff and use the digital signal?

    B&O has a chance to stand out in high quality digital amplification here. All they had to do is design a digital signal processor instead of a conventional active filter, like in BL5.

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  • 08-17-2010 6:48 AM In reply to

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    Re: beolab 6002 +8002

    Puncher:

    I think a noticeable difference in the speaker specs is the standby power - down from 2.5W to 0.4W, this alone could be the major reason for the change given recent legislation in this area.

    Spot on - at 2.5W standby power consumption a mains switch would be mandatorily necessary ... 

  • 08-17-2010 11:11 AM In reply to

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    Re: beolab 6002 +8002

    Premiumverum:

    I think it's a shame that after upgrading to compete 'digital' amplification there is no digital input like on BL5's. I'd say that (especially for B&O) class D amplification and digital music is the future, why not do away with DAC's and stuff and use the digital signal?

    B&O has a chance to stand out in high quality digital amplification here. All they had to do is design a digital signal processor instead of a conventional active filter, like in BL5.

    Smile

    The digital signal which comes from your CD player or other sources (such as a DSP chip inside the BeoLab 5s) is very, very different to the sort of digital going on inside the ICE Power amps.

    Adding a DSP actually complicates things and if it's not strictly necessary, can degrade the sound if introduced. Avoiding digital conversion steps is fairly important. It works in the BeoLab 5 because B&O have implemented very high quality ADCs and DACs. With the price point of the 6000 and 8000 (even the 3) it wouldn't make any sense.

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  • 08-17-2010 11:38 AM In reply to

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    It's funny how tech specs can mean anything and everything , that may also explain why B&O is giving us less and less info about tech specs..

    I remember the first tech specs for BeoLab 8000 gave them a frequency response of 40 Hz at - 8 dB, while the BeoLab 6000 was rated at 70 Hz at -8 dB too...

    Then suddenly B&O shifted to IEC freq.response, and the same speakers were rated at 52 Hz and 55 Hz...without changing the type nr or anything else in the speaker..Surprise

    And now they go back to a -10 dB in the specs...reminds me of the output power figures given by the car radio manufacturers..Angry

    At the end of the day, you should trust you ears and nothing else, I guess..Smile

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  • 08-17-2010 12:36 PM In reply to

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    Chrisreunion:

    It's funny how tech specs can mean anything and everything  ...
    ...  you should trust you ears and nothing else, I guess..Smile

    The following tech-specs appply to two slightly Laughing different cars:

    "V8 engine with more than 400 HP
    gearbox with more than six-speed"

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    Scania V8 Truck

     

  • 08-17-2010 1:54 PM In reply to

    Re: beolab 6002 +8002

    And I thought I understood how the BL5 worked! Nothing is ever really simple I suppose Smile

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