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  • 07-14-2010 3:18 PM

    • Dillen
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    Master 39K

    I noticed a little beauty up for sale at a local auction recently;
    A Bang & Olufsen Master 39K in what seemed to be perfect condition.
    The thought of bidding on it soon occured to me but I somehow managed to resist
    the temptation. Though not quite as good looking as this particular one, I have a
    similar set in my collection already that I am really looking forward to restoring.
    I've restored several basket cases in my time and it was always great fun and
    very rewarding but still, it would be nice to restore a set that obviously
    has been cared for to an extreme extent all of its life.
    Anyway, it went to a new danish owner at a more than fair price.

    A couple of days after the auction ended, I was contacted by the new owner.
    He asked if I thought the radio would be safe to power up and/or which things
    to check before eventually doing so.
    I gave him a couple of ideas regarding what to check and how but partly
    because the radio was in a showroom geographically much closer to me than
    him and partly because the new owner was a bit afraid of ruining something, we
    agreed that I went to the showroom and picked up the radio, brought it with me home
    and gave it a good check. That would also spare the poor thing from a potentially
    very dangerous trip with a courier across the country.
    I was - and still am - extremely busy these days so the radio stood untouched a
    couple of weeks in my humble repairshop before I could set aside time for it.
    Now, the time has come, even if work on this set as well as my reporting back here
    may be a little on-and-off. It's summer in Denmark, we have a heat-wave and there
    are so many other things to do but I probably won't be able to leave this
    wonderful thing alone.

    Martin

  • 07-14-2010 3:26 PM In reply to

    Re: Master 39K

    Oh what a beautiful model. Looking forward to the rest of the thread Smile

    -mika

  • 07-14-2010 3:50 PM In reply to

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    Re: Master 39K

    The first thing that struck me was the exterior condition of this radio.
    It looks absolutely new !
    This is very rare to see for a 70+ years old radio.
    It has one scratch on the cabinets left side, looks a recent mark and it was
    mentioned in the auction listing but apart from that it is unbelievably beautiful.
    Not a single mark anywhere.
    No fingerwear on the buttons - they are shiny and smooth as new. I never saw this
    before unless polished by myself.
    No fingerwear around the buttons - if buttons were ever manipulated it would
    have been with the utmost care not to touch the cabinet behind them (think long nails).
    A very tiny flaking to the lacquer at the rattan mesh in front of the speaker was
    to be expected from the millions of tiny vibrations from the speaker cone sitting
    just behind it.
    And no dust have collected at the groove at the bottom of the dial glass.
    Unbelieveable !
    It must have been covered when not in use.

    Martin

  • 07-14-2010 4:10 PM In reply to

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    Re: Master 39K

    Looks in absolutely beautiful condition Martin - the sneak preview I had doesn't do it justiceYes -  thumbs up

    Chris.

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  • 07-14-2010 7:33 PM In reply to

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    Re: Master 39K

    Unbelievable, to see a Master 39 K in such beautiful condition.

    I'll follow the thread with great interest.

     

    Rudy

  • 07-15-2010 6:19 AM In reply to

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    Re: Master 39K

    Looks beautiful - I'll be following this thread with great interest.

    You know we are very lucky - think of all those poor sods who hate B&O and get their kicks from drooling over microscopically small Chinese SMD components in yoo-hoo-bla-bla Digital wonderpieces.

    Menahem

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  • 07-15-2010 10:01 AM In reply to

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    Re: Master 39K

    At the backside, three service stickers reveal that this radio has indeed seen
    use as it was serviced by the same repairshop in 1950, 1953 and 1956.
    A repairshop in Slangerup, not very far from where I live and where the radio
    was auctioned.
    So this radio was definitely cherished, not only while in use but also later.
    The usual marks of 40+ years of storage in the basement or in the attic, burried
    under various other "useless" stuff, are non-existent here.
    Note the telephone number 8 and later changing to 320, suggesting a small town with only a few phones
    and the radio repairer was one of the first in this town to have a phone.

    Martin

  • 07-15-2010 10:05 AM In reply to

    Re: Master 39K

    Simply wonderful. A real find for the lucky owner.

  • 07-15-2010 12:49 PM In reply to

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    Re: Master 39K

    Everything looks wonderfully original, - well, there is one thing; A socket at the
    bottom left corner of the rear cover is not original.
    It's labeled "Telefon" (telephone), which puzzles me a bit. I'm sure the
    explanation is to be found inside.
    The label is held to the rear cover by two rivets, cleverly mounted
    using two existing ventilation holes so as not to ruin the rear cover.
    What a sense for detail.
    The large round hole, where the socket is now mounted, was already there.
    I've noticed it on other sets too, only they were all empty.

    Martin

  • 07-15-2010 3:04 PM In reply to

    Re: Master 39K

    Why 'Telefon' then Martin????

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  • 07-15-2010 4:43 PM In reply to

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    Re: Master 39K

    Thanks for your interest and comments. Makes it all worthwhile.

    The Master 39K was the second-largest table model of the year 1939, the
    Master Deluxe 39K being top of the range, not counting floor-standing models and radiograms.
    The models of the same year also included the famous Beolit 39 of which I had the
    pleasure of fiddling with one just two years ago.
    That story can be found here http://forum.beoworld.org/forums/p/18607/137835.aspx#137835

    Martin

  • 07-15-2010 4:46 PM In reply to

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    Re: Master 39K

    Being a quite advanced radio for its time, the Master 39K was meant for use in
    the livingroom as the primary entertainer.
    It has a comprehensive AM coverage and connection for a grammophone.
    You could hardly wish for more back then.
    Well, that should maybe be B&O's then newest invention, a revolution for
    the daily radio user, the convenient pushbutton station selectors. A first for B&O.

    Martin

  • 07-16-2010 5:17 AM In reply to

    Re: Master 39K

    Wow! What a great condition this old radio is in! It will be my pleasure to follow up on this thread, as you always make really exiting restoration threads :)

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  • 07-16-2010 5:17 AM In reply to

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    Re: Master 39K

    Let's take a look inside;
    The rear cover is held to the cabinet with two clips.
    No screws and no tools.

    Martin

  • 07-16-2010 5:19 AM In reply to

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    Re: Master 39K

    The mains power comes in through a plug mounted to the rear cover so will automatically
    be disconnected when the rear cover is removed.
    That does not mean that the chassis is safe to touch though.
    I will not go in to the same degree of detail as I have done previously on this
    subject but merely repeat that servicing a valve set like this can be a risky business.
    Voltages higher than that of the mains can be found inside the set and if you don't find
    them yourself, they will find you !
    Never rest one hand on the chassis while working with the other. Keep one hand on
    your back and never touch anything unless you are absolutely sure that what you
    do won't kill you.
    Even when switched off, both the chassis and several components can still hold
    full mains voltage or more.
    You can read more about safety with valves in my previous restoration write-ups.

    The chassis is held to the cabinet by 3 large screws with bakelite heads and even
    larger metal washers.
    One screw has tiny bits of what seems to be the remains of a red sticker.
    There's not enough left of it for me to read anything but it has been sitting across
    the screws head and washer so will most likely have been a warranty label.

    Martin

  • 07-16-2010 5:20 AM In reply to

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    Re: Master 39K

    Nice view of the innards.

    Martin

  • 07-16-2010 6:38 AM In reply to

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    Re: Master 39K

    Martin, have you noticed that "your" set has diferent names on the station pushbuttons?

     

    Rudy

     

     

  • 07-16-2010 7:10 AM In reply to

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    Re: Master 39K

    Both versions are commonly seen (well, as common as these get, anyway).
    There were two different chassis versions (mainly due to a change to CL6 output valve
    instead of CL4, I believe), and I'm almost sure that the default stations were
    reconsidered at that time.
    You can check if yours is the early version with the CL4 output valve.
    The one on my bench is a "version II" as B&O calls it in the service manual, i.e
    the "later" version with CL6.

    Having said that; The pushbutton station selectors each covered a certain frequency
    range and any station within that range could be set to the given button.
    You could not change the range though, this means that not any button could be set to
    any frequency and all "re-programming" of the buttons would have been done at
    the repairshop where correct instrumentation was available.
    And the tuning stayed correct for years.
    My guess is that buttons with non-default station names could be ordered from B&O but
    I haven't been able to confirm this.
    It may not appear very convenient seen with modern eyes but to just be able to
    select a station at a simple push of a button was hot news back then.
    Even a child could change station.

    Martin

  • 07-16-2010 7:17 AM In reply to

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    Re: Master 39K

    Two versions of the radio was offered. One for the Copenhagen area (called 'Københavneren') and one for Jutland (called 'Den jyske').

    The Copenhagen model started with København on the pushbuttons where the Jutland model bagan with Hamburg instead.

     

    Furthermore, if a customer wanted other stations than the two models could offer, the radio could be ordered with the specific wishes.

  • 07-16-2010 7:30 AM In reply to

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    Re: Master 39K

    Thanks Vifa, for the interest and comment.
    So that is the explanation.
    It makes perfect sense here in that this set was in use only 25 Km or so from Copenhagen.

    Martin

  • 07-16-2010 7:43 AM In reply to

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    Re: Master 39K

    Martin,

     

    I've checked mine and I have  an early version with the CL4 output valve.

    Serial number of my set is 41586.

    Thanks Vifa for the explanation  on the Copenhagen and Jutland version.

     

    Rudy

  • 07-16-2010 8:32 AM In reply to

    Re: Master 39K

    The start of another great thread, Martin. Looking forward to it -and what a beautiful piece it is!

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  • 07-16-2010 10:35 AM In reply to

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    Re: Master 39K

    Thanks Jaff,
    Nice to know that there are people following this thread.  Laughing

    Rudy, that's interesting. I'm working on chassis no. 41548 and it has the
    new circuitry and a CL6.
    Of course, we cannot rule out that one of them was modified at some point but
    I doubt that it could be the one, I have here. It shows absolutely no signs
    of modifications of that sort whatsoever. But on the other hand, it's not very
    likely that your set was modificed back to CL4, is it ?

    Martin

  • 07-16-2010 11:40 AM In reply to

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    Re: Master 39K

    Hi Martin,

     

    You're right.

    I double checked my set and itn also has a CL6. 

    Must be a mistake in my tube database.

    My mistake.

    Martin, could you later on suggest an alternitive for the Master 39 K dial lamp?

    it's missing in my set.  

  • 07-16-2010 12:30 PM In reply to

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    Re: Master 39K

    Rudy,

    Thanks for this nice photo of your set.
    Looks like you already found an alternative for the dial lamp ...  Laughing
    Seriously, these have proved incredibly hard to find and probably
    easier to replace by something else. It seems to be a 110V lamp and the current
    is the same as that of the valve heaters. I made a temporary solution
    in a Beolit 39 for the same reason.
    I will keep an eye out though.
    Now I think of it, I am always keeping an eye out for parts and info.
    Maybe someone can tell us if the same lamp is used in f.e. Master Deluxe 39K ?

    I noticed the grid cable to the output valve, it is screaming for attention.  Whistle

    I also noticed your Master 39K does not have the output transformer mounted
    behind the speaker and not on the speaker itself. Where is it then ?
    The speaker looks exactly like mine and is a Peerless "Orkester" 5 Ohms type.
    The output transformer is listed as a Peerless CL4 like the one I saw in Beolit 39
    but in this Master 39K a B&O output transformer has been mounted as
    you can see. Maybe to carry that "Telefon" connection too. Who knows.
    The CL4 transformer is somewhat smaller than the B&O.

    Martin

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