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ARCHIVED FORUM -- April 2007 to March 2012 READ ONLY FORUM
This is the first Archived Forum which was active between 17th April 2007 and
1st March February 2012
Latest post 06-03-2010 2:01 PM by pf85. 12 replies.
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Olof
- Joined on 05-12-2007
- Posts 141
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Re: How much "overpriced Phillips" is inside B&O ?
I agree with you, but many people say thats just overprices Phillips, so I want to know the facts (and why should good design do not have a price too ?)
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ajames
- Joined on 05-04-2007
- Posts 275
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Re: How much "overpriced Phillips" is inside B&O ?
I read once, not sure where, that whilst the insides may be Philips and other manufacturers, that B&O picks the cream of the panels and in the past screens - perhaps they specify higher tollerances for components than other manufacturers and this is where the cost comes in. It would also explain why B&O equipment lasts so long with very little problems.
If you just looked at the components then there would be no difference in any TV or Stereo from any manufacturer, but surely we are also paying for development and the way the components are put together.
Beovision Avant 32 RF, DVD1, Beovision 1, MX4002, Beound 3000, Beolab Penta MKII, Beovox Penta, Beolit 707, Beolink Passive, Beovox C30, Beocom 4, Beogram TX, 4 x Beo4, Form 1 & 2, Beocenter 7700, Beovox S65,
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Jez
- Joined on 06-13-2007
- Posts 150
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Re: How much "overpriced Phillips" is inside B&O ?
This applies to all brands these days. You simply can not survive trying to make every component yourself. B&O tried in the past and went broke. Look at a Ferrari as an example, the tyres, rims, brakes, electronics, stereo/nav system, new double clutch system...list goes on, all made out house to spec by someone else. Still it's no less a Ferrari.
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Chrisreunion
- Joined on 07-01-2007
- Reunion Island
- Posts 677
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Re: How much "overpriced Phillips" is inside B&O ?
Talking about rebadged Philips, I think you should look more at Loewe than B&O.., they use Bose speakers or the Yamaha soundbar, not to mention it..
B&O TV sets such as the Avant were using Philips tubes, but they were manufactured with B&O specs & were never found in any other Philips TV, it would have made the set too expensive for a Philips; this has always been the case with CRT TVs, maybe it is no longer true for LCD & plasma screens. Anyway, there is a difference between a rebadged product (B&O has a list of those, the latter being DVD2 or BeoSound 6), and a B&O product with non-B&O components (e.g Serenata, HDR2 or even BeoCenter 2 which has a Pioneer drive).
As said before, a TVR sports coupé was using Citroen parts, it doesn't make it a French car..
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Flappo
- Joined on 05-22-2010
- Posts 168
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Re: How much "overpriced Phillips" is inside B&O ?
the ironic thing is i've had 2 x philps tv's and they've both been UTTER unreliable rubbish , the first one quite literally blew up the second one ended up in the local skip
while i've had an avant for over 7 years and it's been incredibly reliable , the picture is as sharp as the day i bought it and it still performs brilliantly
even my sony's haven't lasted or performed as well as the avant
my next tv will DEFINITELY be bn'o
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Peter
- Joined on 02-12-2007
- Posts 9,572
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Re: How much "overpriced Phillips" is inside B&O ?
I agree with the sentiments here. B&O is on the whole made of high quality materials and will last well. Even the dreaded red capacitors of the 70s were good quality at the time and it was a surprise when they started to leak. Of course B&O use components from other firms, as do everyone else. B&O used to make almost everything - even the wire - but this became unfeasibly expensive and much of the component manufacturing was outsourced, especially in the 90s. B&O do however still issue specifications for outsourced materials and the tolerance that is acceptable will be far more stringent than most firms. This is one reason that the products cost more as suppliers have to either select components or have special production lines, both of which cost more.
The other reason they cost more is that this is what the market will stand. A small company does not enjoy the same economies of scale that say Sony does, and a similar product will always cost more from B&O for this reason. The extra style and kudos is the extra that makes B&O sell. The analogy with cars is reasonable - why buy more than a VW Golf? It does everything a car needs to do, is well made and well equipped. But lots of people do!
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wirralsimon
- Joined on 04-17-2007
- Birkenhead, UK
- Posts 1,253
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Re: How much "overpriced Phillips" is inside B&O ?
There was some truth in the rebadged philips allegations in the 1980s, particularly for CD players and video recorders, but I don't think it applies now.
Simon
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