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ARCHIVED FORUM -- April 2007 to March 2012 READ ONLY FORUM
This is the first Archived Forum which was active between 17th April 2007 and
1st March February 2012
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Harry2008
- Joined on 11-09-2008
- Netherlands
- Posts 252
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Re: BeoPlayer/BeoPort/BeoSound 5 & gapless music: where are we?
Stan:
I spent some time recently inside their Cupertino offices, it seems like "perfect" is the prevailing self-image of Apple employees, their work and their company. This would worry me as arrogance tends to be a precursor to most failures. I wish them the best of luck.
Stan
Fully agree, we have seen with many technology firms, Apple in the past, companies like Dell and Microsoft over the past few years, and not to forget, B&O
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Michael
- Joined on 05-20-2009
- Glen Waverley, Victoria, Australia
- Posts 245
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Re: BeoPlayer/BeoPort/BeoSound 5 & gapless music: where are we?
Stan: This would worry me as arrogance tends to be a precursor to most failures. I wish them the best of luck.
Apple have been down this road before, and their arrogance with their proprietary formats, firewire, etc etc. I forsee their demise with users ultimately locked in to doing things their way, rather than an eco centric approach.
B&O are right to piggy back on the success that many people have been locked in with formats through the Apple Store that they have to keep their iphones, when they mightn't want to, and make products like the BS8. I think it was Elephant that said, or maybe i read it somewhere else, where people really are stuck with Apple because of the amount of content they have purchased in a particular format.
Let's hope that ultimately the BS5 reaches a better price point, because really, its the equivalent of an Imac (which you can mount on a wall), with a better DAC and better connections. Plus I would love one, but would rather spend the $10,000 AUD on something else.
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david coyne
- Joined on 04-17-2007
- Sydney, Australia
- Posts 165
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Re: BeoPlayer/BeoPort/BeoSound 5 & gapless music: where are we?
Hello, hello
It's entirely possible Ive missed the point... Perhaps this is only an issue for Beosound 5?
However I have a beocentre 2, a mac mini, beoport and itunes all working together.. and they play gapless without any difficulty..
Having said that.. Im never game to update my itunes software for fear of beoport becoming completely useless
I cant imagine just having a beosound 5.. not being able to play CD's which frankly sound much better! So, until the beocentre 2 and beoport are completely obsolete, I think I'll stick with them!!
I'll probably regret posting this...
Best Wishes
David
BV8-40, BC6-26, BC2, Beolab 9's, Beogram 7000, Beogram 9500, Beoport, Beotalk 1200, Beocom 6000, Beolit 1000, 800, 700, 600, 400
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Stan
- Joined on 04-17-2007
- Posts 593
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Re: BeoPlayer/BeoPort/BeoSound 5 & gapless music: where are we?
david coyne:
Im never game to update my itunes software for fear of beoport becoming completely useless
I cant imagine just having a beosound 5.. not being able to play CD's which frankly sound much better! So, until the beocentre 2 and beoport are completely obsolete, I think I'll stick with them!!
David, I was in your boat... had a BeoPort and it was working fine. However, accidentially upgrading iTunes to find BeoPort no longer worked, searching the web for the previous version, then downgrading (silly me, I actually did this more than once), then finding that somewhere along the way the BeoPort navigation of the iTunes library became wonky, about every 3rd or 4th time I started BeoPort, I'd have to reboot something (enough that my wife gave up on using it), finally became enough to pitch it in favor of the BS5. It just became too fiddly.
If you rip to lossless, the BS5 sounds as good as CDs. I still have my BS9000... I'd kind of like to sell it to fund BL9s, but my wife and kids disagree. Oh well...
Stan
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Karla
- Joined on 08-19-2008
- USA
- Posts 81
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Re: BeoPlayer/BeoPort/BeoSound 5 & gapless music: where are we?
Everything seemed okay with BeoPort, but we had several issues with software and ease of use; when one day we purchased the AppleTV2 (ATV2) and everything changed.
What we didn’t know was that ATV2 has something called Airplay, which means that it will reach out wirelessly to a device and pull in the content. Since the ATV2 is connected to the Avant, the Avant is serving as the gateway to the ML and all of our content is moving through our home. The interface is wonderful and the ease of use could not be better.
The BeoPort has not been turned on for the last six months.
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elephant
- Joined on 04-16-2007
- Melbourne, Australia
- Posts 2,215
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Re: BeoPlayer/BeoPort/BeoSound 5 & gapless music: where are we?
Karla: Since the ATV2 is connected to the Avant, the Avant is serving as the gateway to the ML and all of our content is moving through our home. The interface is wonderful and the ease of use could not be better.
How do you control music selection in remote rooms ?
First B&O (1976) was a Beogram 1500 ... latest (2011) change has been to couple the BL11 with the BL6Ks *sounds superb*
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Karla
- Joined on 08-19-2008
- USA
- Posts 81
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Re: BeoPlayer/BeoPort/BeoSound 5 & gapless music: where are we?
elephant:
Karla: Since the ATV2 is connected to the Avant, the Avant is serving as the gateway to the ML and all of our content is moving through our home. The interface is wonderful and the ease of use could not be better.
How do you control music selection in remote rooms ?
So for the delay in getting back to you with a reply to a really good question. The answer: we control the music via mobil phone, back to the computer; but normally we don’t control anything because we set it up with playlists. I really don’t have the time or imagination to keep picking out songs. I simply group them and play them.
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elephant
- Joined on 04-16-2007
- Melbourne, Australia
- Posts 2,215
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Re: BeoPlayer/BeoPort/BeoSound 5 & gapless music: where are we?
Karla:
elephant:
Karla: Since the ATV2 is connected to the Avant, the Avant is serving as the gateway to the ML and all of our content is moving through our home. The interface is wonderful and the ease of use could not be better.
How do you control music selection in remote rooms ?
So for the delay in getting back to you with a reply to a really good question. The answer: we control the music via mobil phone, back to the computer; but normally we don’t control anything because we set it up with playlists. I really don’t have the time or imagination to keep picking out songs. I simply group them and play them.
what App do you run on the mobile phone ? I use Apple's "remote" app on my iPad
First B&O (1976) was a Beogram 1500 ... latest (2011) change has been to couple the BL11 with the BL6Ks *sounds superb*
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sjmcguckin
- Joined on 05-28-2010
- Posts 43
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Re: BeoPlayer/BeoPort/BeoSound 5 & gapless music: where are we?
Karla: I really don’t have the time or imagination to keep picking out songs
Sounds like you need MOTS
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elephant
- Joined on 04-16-2007
- Melbourne, Australia
- Posts 2,215
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Re: BeoPlayer/BeoPort/BeoSound 5 & gapless music: where are we?
sjmcguckin:
Karla: I really don’t have the time or imagination to keep picking out songs
Sounds like you need MOTS
Perhaps he does
In my case I use three other techniques which are pseduo-MOTS:
- I have a number of saved "genius" playlists that were automatically created from seeds that were favourite songs - the disadvantage is that the playlists are not automatically updated as I add more content to our library
- I can use the automatically refreshed "genius" genre playlists - but there are only 16 of these, and some have disappeared as I have added more and more diverse content to the our library
- For a particular song that is playing, I can initiate "genius" mode from that song and listen to that particular playlist (and even save it if so choose)
But not quite MOTS
First B&O (1976) was a Beogram 1500 ... latest (2011) change has been to couple the BL11 with the BL6Ks *sounds superb*
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Karla
- Joined on 08-19-2008
- USA
- Posts 81
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Re: BeoPlayer/BeoPort/BeoSound 5 & gapless music: where are we?
I have an old form of MOTS that is really amazing. I load my music selections in the 9000, turn on the random function, and it plays all the music that I really like!
The other source for music in our house is the music that streams from the computer to the AppleTV2 to the Avant to the ML; and the computer music selection is controlled through an Android phone via an app called: TunesRemote.
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DoubleU
- Joined on 05-09-2007
- Posts 866
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Re: BeoPlayer/BeoPort/BeoSound 5 & gapless music: where are we?
Back on topic..
Why not rip your CD as one track? It always will be gapless, no matter what format you choose, no matter which (future) player you use.
Ripping a CD this way will also give you a cue-file.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cue_sheet_%28computing%29
Unfortunatly the cue-files are not supported with the BS5. The only downside is that you don't see the artist/title of the individual tracks on the CD. So tagging this big mp3/flac/whatever is the best you can do. But at least your music is gapless!
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DoubleU
- Joined on 05-09-2007
- Posts 866
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Re: BeoPlayer/BeoPort/BeoSound 5 & gapless music: where are we?
Seriously, are you comparing an inferior portable player?
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jk1002
- Joined on 04-16-2007
- Boston USA
- Posts 1,620
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Re: BeoPlayer/BeoPort/BeoSound 5 & gapless music: where are we?
DoublU, how would MOTS work if you rip the CD as one track. If they cant support apple lossless the other good option would be to read that gapless tag in Itunes and filter and handle it in the player software.
BS9000, BS2300, BC2, BL2500, BL3, Bl2, BS1, BV8, BC4, A8
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DoubleU
- Joined on 05-09-2007
- Posts 866
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Re: BeoPlayer/BeoPort/BeoSound 5 & gapless music: where are we?
Good question! Probably it won't work. But a rock-, classical-concert, DJ-mix, cabaret performer, etc, last for an hour or so. Do you really need MOTS, with these CD's?
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Beogen
- Joined on 05-12-2007
- Belgium
- Posts 135
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Re: BeoPlayer/BeoPort/BeoSound 5 & gapless music: where are we?
Agree! That's why I sold my BS5 and got back to a BC2, I was fed up waiting for an update which will never be released I think.
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Chrisreunion
- Joined on 07-01-2007
- Reunion Island
- Posts 677
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Re: BeoPlayer/BeoPort/BeoSound 5 & gapless music: where are we?
Regarding the ALAC playback on non "IDevices", I came accross an interesting Wikipedia article that I've pasted below:
"David Hammerton and Cody Brocious have analyzed and decoded this codec without any documents on the format. On March 5, 2005, Hammerton published a simple open source decoder in the programming language C on the basis of the reverse engineering work.
The open source library libavcodec incorporates both a decoder and an encoder for Apple Lossless format which means that media players based on that library, including VLC media player and MPlayer, are able to play Apple Lossless files. The library was subsequently optimized for ARM processors and included in Rockbox."
What prevents B&O from using these open source libraries?
Reunion Island is greeting you!
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