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  • 12-01-2009 10:57 AM

    Replacement BS2 Battery = Massive Rip Off >:|

    Just been down to my local dealer to try and get a replacement BS2 battery and can't believe how much B&O want for a replacement. Bearing in mind the BS2 is still in production, how can £67 for a rechargeable battery (that doesn't include fitting) be justified???

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  • 12-01-2009 12:32 PM In reply to

    Re: Replacement BS2 Battery = Massive Rip Off >:|

    B&O don't offer justified prices. The problem is people pay it, ourselves included, so they charge it. My friends think I am quite mad spending £10,000 on a TV. How right they are! Pay the money John and enjoy it, that's my philosophy. 

  • 12-01-2009 12:45 PM In reply to

    Re: Replacement BS2 Battery = Massive Rip Off >:|

    The_Beonic_Man:

    B&O don't offer justified prices. The problem is people pay it, ourselves included, so they charge it. My friends think I am quite mad spending £10,000 on a TV. How right they are! Pay the money John and enjoy it, that's my philosophy. 

    Economically it's not worth it Simon and that's the problem. I would have been happy with £30 or even £40, but nigh on £70 is having a laugh and even the dealer was shocked at the cost! Now I'm a student I just can't afford to be taken to the cleaners for such a trifling little item :(

    BTW - you sure you want to be a teacher given your penchant for £10,000 TVs?!? After tax and NI you'd not earn much more than that in your NQT year :P

     

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  • 12-01-2009 2:07 PM In reply to

    Re: Replacement BS2 Battery = Massive Rip Off >:|

    Ridiculous - Is it a bespoke battery or can you find a similar one elsewhere?

  • 12-01-2009 2:36 PM In reply to

    Re: Replacement BS2 Battery = Massive Rip Off >:|

    Peter :

    Ridiculous - Is it a bespoke battery or can you find a similar one elsewhere?

    Aghh! I don't know as I can't get the case open!

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  • 12-01-2009 3:16 PM In reply to

    Re: Replacement BS2 Battery = Massive Rip Off >:|

    Yeah - it's always the same with any high-end product really...

    for example : if your Rolls-Royce or Bentley (20yr old mind!) needs a new fan belt - they actually take 5 different belts in one 'kit'  (all of which ought to be replaced even if ur only needing to change 1!)  - buying & fitting by an independent specialist (not a main agent!) is £250+ ...for a fan belt..!

    similairly - if you need to change an odometer or rev.counter - a replacement from R-R will cost you £500!! a refurbished 2nd hand one from a specialist (if you can find the right type) will cost u £200

    it's the way it is I guess..

     

    Michael

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  • 12-01-2009 3:25 PM In reply to

    Re: Replacement BS2 Battery = Massive Rip Off >:|

    Bentleyman:

    Yeah - it's always the same with any high-end product really...

    for example : if your Rolls-Royce or Bentley (20yr old mind!) needs a new fan belt - they actually take 5 different belts in one 'kit'  (all of which ought to be replaced even if ur only needing to change 1!)  - buying & fitting by an independent specialist (not a main agent!) is £250+ ...for a fan belt..!

    similairly - if you need to change an odometer or rev.counter - a replacement from R-R will cost you £500!! a refurbished 2nd hand one from a specialist (if you can find the right type) will cost u £200

    it's the way it is I guess..

     

    I know where you're coming from, but we're not talking about an obsolete product here where keeping spares doesn't bring economies of scale as units are not required for a production run. B&O still make the BS2, and I can't believe they didn't just go out and source some off-the-shelf battery from another manufacturer for this product. That's what gets me annoyed, as they're looking at a decent mark-up to sell me someone else's battery from their own inventory at an inflated price!

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  • 12-01-2009 3:29 PM In reply to

    Re: Replacement BS2 Battery = Massive Rip Off >:|

    Oh yeah - i agree

    Complete rip-off, you're quite right

    Michael

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    BS 7000, BS 5500

    Penta III, Penta II, BL 4000, RL 60.2,  RL 35, CX-100 Alu

    BL 7000, MCP6500, MCP5500,  BL 5000,  Beo4 (x2), BL 1000 (x2)

  • 12-01-2009 3:35 PM In reply to

    Re: Replacement BS2 Battery = Massive Rip Off >:|

    j0hn,

    I no longer have a BS2 to play with -regarding trying to open it... but, I have found that the batt is a Lithium Ion. Still trying to find specs, but I am sure it is indeed an off-the-shelf battery for $10.00! Output specs on the charger/adapter should help narrow it down, maybe.

     

    EDIT...

    You are SILVER... the service manual is on site! It shows how to dismantle for battery replacement. Though an illustration, the battery does look to be rather special w/ (4) mounting lugs... UGGH! Super Angry

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  • 12-01-2009 3:50 PM In reply to

    Re: Replacement BS2 Battery = Massive Rip Off >:|

    I downloaded the service manual (1 side!) but it shows the removal of two screws to release the dock so that the case can be twisted and separated. Problem is on my dock there are two blanks, as opposed to screws, on the dock! There is a small screw inside the SD card slot which I have removed, but the case does not want to rotate with this out, and I'm frightened of wrecking the bloody thing!

    AAAAAGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

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  • 12-01-2009 3:56 PM In reply to

    Re: Replacement BS2 Battery = Massive Rip Off >:|

    I just re-reviewed the manual...

    Are you sure they are supposed to be screws? They almost look like there are some sort of blanks there that perhaps you depress (outwards and then perhaps up) -sort of like a ring-clip??? The manual doesn't seem to show any rotation? Confused

    Maybe try a ball point pen and see if you get any movement from these "blanks?"

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  • 12-01-2009 5:03 PM In reply to

    Re: Replacement BS2 Battery = Massive Rip Off >:|

    Hi Jeff

    The cover does indeed pop off. I opened the unit up and got to the battery, but not without pulling out the ribbon cable from the keypad to the PCB right out of its socket! Then I seemed to knock off a small resistor from the PCB, so by the time I got it back together I ecpected it to be well and truly rogered. Thankfully by some miracle it is still working. Never again will I look inside!

    Having a beer now to calllmmm dooowwwnnn Beer

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  • 12-01-2009 5:03 PM In reply to

    Re: Replacement BS2 Battery = Massive Rip Off >:|

    Hi Jeff

    The cover does indeed pop off. I opened the unit up and got to the battery, but not without pulling out the ribbon cable from the keypad to the PCB right out of its socket! Then I seemed to knock off a small resistor from the PCB, so by the time I got it back together I ecpected it to be well and truly rogered. Thankfully by some miracle it is still working. Never again will I look inside!

    Having a beer now to calllmmm dooowwwnnn Beer

    President, Beomaster 8000 Appreciation Society

  • 12-01-2009 6:35 PM In reply to

    Re: Replacement BS2 Battery = Massive Rip Off >:|

    j0hnbarker:

    Hi Jeff

    The cover does indeed pop off. I opened the unit up and got to the battery, but not without pulling out the ribbon cable from the keypad to the PCB right out of its socket! Then I seemed to knock off a small resistor from the PCB, so by the time I got it back together I ecpected it to be well and truly rogered. Thankfully by some miracle it is still working. Never again will I look inside!

    Having a beer now to calllmmm dooowwwnnn Beer

    John,

    Don't leave us all in suspense! Did you change the battery? Are you never going to open the thing again?  Are B&O designs so good wrt  redundancy that they just keep working after you tear components from the PCB?????

    Graham

    I used to be indecisive, now I'm not so sure. [W C Fields]

  • 12-02-2009 9:27 AM In reply to

    Re: Replacement BS2 Battery = Massive Rip Off >:|

    I didn't get to change the battery as I wouldn't part with £67 for a replacement Graham! :)

    The battery is indeed unusual, in that it has four lugs moulded to it as Jeff suggested. Not sure how anyone could replace it with a non-B&O substitute as it fits tightly into one side of the BS2 casing.

    I know my limits and doubt I'd ever open it again! To check everything works, I plugged it into the docking station last night to charge and upload some files and it seemed fine. It was also fine to listen to this morning, apart from the fact that pressing the down button did not take me back to the start of the current song, but rather to the previous track in that playlist. I can't remember if it always did this, but if that's the extent of the functionality I have lost then I'm a happy man.

    I did wonder whether this small resistor (or whatever it is - there are a few of them mounted on the PCB) had dropped off my board, or had always been floating around inside the case as I would have expected it to stop working after my ham-fisted attempts to open it up...?

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  • 12-02-2009 2:14 PM In reply to

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    Re: Replacement BS2 Battery = Massive Rip Off >:|

    Long live Vintage B&O! None of these frustrating, life-defining, humiliating experiences!

    Oh, don't get me wrong, vintage B&O has it's own challenges, but they are well within the realm of the average human to disassemble, repair competently, and reassemble.

    Plus, they sound much better than this modern "stuff" ;-)    ;->   

    Menahem

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  • 12-02-2009 4:47 PM In reply to

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    Re: Replacement BS2 Battery = Massive Rip Off >:|

    j0hn,

    Is your BS2 less than three years old?  The battery on one of mine was down to 1 hr of play time and within seven days of warranty expiration. I took it to the local B&O store and they sent it to the repair center (Arlington Heights, IL in the USA) and it came back 10 days later totally refurbished, including a new shell, for no cost to me. This is one of the many reasons that I buy B&O products - I have always recieved superior service. If you are still under warranty, I should think that you can expect a similar result.

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  • 12-02-2009 8:06 PM In reply to

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    Re: Replacement BS2 Battery = Massive Rip Off >:|

    Just to share the rant with you John, I was out at the apple store today to get a new usb cable and wall adapter $30! It might not seem to be as bad as the Beosound 2's battery but still! Rip off!

    I ended up paying for it though, had to, old one broke.

    Evan

     

  • 12-03-2009 2:57 AM In reply to

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    Re: Replacement BS2 Battery = Massive Rip Off >:|

    The_Beonic_Man:

    B&O don't offer justified prices. The problem is people pay it, ourselves included, so they charge it. My friends think I am quite mad spending £10,000 on a TV. How right they are! Pay the money John and enjoy it, that's my philosophy. 

    You'll be certified when you get the BV7-55 then :)

  • 12-03-2009 3:00 AM In reply to

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    Re: Replacement BS2 Battery = Massive Rip Off >:|

    j0hnbarker:

    Just been down to my local dealer to try and get a replacement BS2 battery and can't believe how much B&O want for a replacement. Bearing in mind the BS2 is still in production, how can £67 for a rechargeable battery (that doesn't include fitting) be justified???

    Mind you, Sky charge £65 for an engineer call out, even though we all pay £50/month+ for our subscription. That's more of a rip-off IMHO. BT don't charge when you have problem with your line, neither do my broadband provider who 'lease' you your router. Why don't Sky do the same? Worse, when Sky replace the box, they give you a refurb box and not a new-for-old replacement.

    I kicked off and they are coming around for free now.

  • 12-03-2009 3:15 AM In reply to

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    Re: Replacement BS2 Battery = Massive Rip Off >:|

    moxxey:

    j0hnbarker:

    Just been down to my local dealer to try and get a replacement BS2 battery and can't believe how much B&O want for a replacement. Bearing in mind the BS2 is still in production, how can £67 for a rechargeable battery (that doesn't include fitting) be justified???

    Mind you, Sky charge £65 for an engineer call out, even though we all pay £50/month+ for our subscription. That's more of a rip-off IMHO. BT don't charge when you have problem with your line, neither do my broadband provider who 'lease' you your router. Why don't Sky do the same? Worse, when Sky replace the box, they give you a refurb box and not a new-for-old replacement.

    I kicked off and they are coming around for free now.

    I think that's generally their plan, if your are out of your "contract" i.e. it's over a year since you got anything new from them, then they will eventually waive their fee if you threaten to "rip it all out" etc. Of course you may to sign up for another year but then you were going to anyway.

    Both our parents received a new Sky+ box (inplace of a standard Sky box) after threatening to cancel when there boxes began playing up (loosing channels etc., the start of the end for the power supply).

    Generally speaking, you aren't learning much if your lips are moving.

  • 12-03-2009 5:39 AM In reply to

    Re: Replacement BS2 Battery = Massive Rip Off >:|

    moxxey:

    j0hnbarker:

    Just been down to my local dealer to try and get a replacement BS2 battery and can't believe how much B&O want for a replacement. Bearing in mind the BS2 is still in production, how can £67 for a rechargeable battery (that doesn't include fitting) be justified???

    Mind you, Sky charge £65 for an engineer call out, even though we all pay £50/month+ for our subscription. That's more of a rip-off IMHO. BT don't charge when you have problem with your line, neither do my broadband provider who 'lease' you your router. Why don't Sky do the same? Worse, when Sky replace the box, they give you a refurb box and not a new-for-old replacement.

    I kicked off and they are coming around for free now.

     

     

    I admit it is a self-serving comment, but there is no call-out  or repair fee or repair charge withn Cable! It's something people forget when price comparisons are made.

     

    Simon

  • 12-03-2009 6:20 AM In reply to

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    wirralsimon:

    moxxey:

    j0hnbarker:

    Just been down to my local dealer to try and get a replacement BS2 battery and can't believe how much B&O want for a replacement. Bearing in mind the BS2 is still in production, how can £67 for a rechargeable battery (that doesn't include fitting) be justified???

    Mind you, Sky charge £65 for an engineer call out, even though we all pay £50/month+ for our subscription. That's more of a rip-off IMHO. BT don't charge when you have problem with your line, neither do my broadband provider who 'lease' you your router. Why don't Sky do the same? Worse, when Sky replace the box, they give you a refurb box and not a new-for-old replacement.

    I kicked off and they are coming around for free now.

     

     

    I admit it is a self-serving comment, but there is no call-out  or repair fee or repair charge withn Cable! It's something people forget when price comparisons are made.

     

    Simon

    Guess this is all getting a bit off-topic re cost of battery replacement, but what really annoys me about Sky and Virgin Cable is the cost creep and the pretended bundling of channels that are broadcast FTA anyway (or in Sky's case, the encryption of certain channels that are free on other platforms.) OK, £67 for a battery is nothing compared to standard call-out charges and you can't expect services for nothing. But I do (where there's advertising).......... so my Sky box is unsubscribed working on favourites......... Channel 5 etc via Freeview on another STB connection.........

    Graham

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