As a new member, I must say I'm glad I found this site.   Although I have not owned a B&O system for 20+ years,  I remained convinced the product is the finest sound equipment I have ever heard to this day.

I do, however, take issue with the model numbers and manufacture dates that appear on this site.  I had the Beomaster 4500, which appears in this site as the 4400, with man. dates of 1981-86.  I bought it in 1980, and the model was first seen by me in a magazine article around 1977.  I also had the Beogram 6006 turntable,  and the example shown of this product was different from the one I owned.  Mine was no wider than the width of the platter and tone arm assembly, and was controlled by flexible brushed stainless tabs located in the front right corner.  I clearly recall it all being purchased in 1980, because Pink Floyd's album "The Wall" was released in 1979.  I spent eight months shopping at a wide variety of audio shops before finally being blown away by the B&O, and at each shop they insisted on showing me the "quality" of their wares by playing the damned album.  I WAS planning to buy "The Wal" after getting my new stereo, but by the time I did, I was so sick of it, I wound up not getting it for another two years!

Unfortunately, when I split up with my wife in 1987, I left the B&O behind because I moved to an apartment in a questioable area, and didn't want to risk getting it stolen.  My ex knew what it meant to me, but it didn't stop her from using it to pay off a coke debt with our next-door neighbor (her main source)who I knew just loved the system.  Anyway, I hope these model anomalies get straightened out, and hope I get more time to communicate with you all as much as possible.  Glad to be here!

Whitefang

Hey welcome. That dealer got a good deal !

This story has everything I need, sex, drugs, deceit and a little bit of Pink Floyd thrown in for good value. :-)

You've reminded me I need to get a new copy of the Dark side of the moon album.

Welcome.

As I enjoyed telling the people I trained in wilderness survival. "If the terrain doesn't match the map as you remember it, it's best to go with the terrain." People here are into the details and specifics of B&O products to the point where they'll know when a cord cabinet seal was switched from light grey to dark grey on a specific model.

You should probably provide some links to the discrepancies you've found in the product pages! Though I doubt the terrain will shift much, once the misunderstanding's been cleared up.

Hi and welcome to Beoworld

I checked on the BM 4500 and 4400. The site says BM4500 man 1988-1994 and the BM4400 1977-1980.

The photo's provided are correct as I own both items.

Regards

Ben

hi, welcome to beoworld!

whitefang:

I had the Beomaster 4500, which appears in this site as the 4400, with man. dates of 1981-86.  I bought it in 1980, and the model was first seen by me in a magazine article around 1977

wow, that was confusing! (4400 from 81-86?) beoworld data appears valid (77-80), you had a 4400.

whitefang:

I also had the Beogram 6006 turntable,  and the example shown of this product was different from the one I owned.  Mine was no wider than the width of the platter and tone arm assembly, and was controlled by flexible brushed stainless tabs located in the front right corner.

again, all data appears valid. as a betting man, you had a 6000, not 6006.

burantek:

 

again, all data appears valid. as a betting man, you had a 6000, not 6006.

More likely THIS 6000?? as the OP mentioned that the deck was no bigger than the platter & arm

Does say "no wider than the width of the platter and tone arm assembly" - which could mean this one:

But then there's mention of the brushed stainless steel tabs. And that probably means the 6000, as you say - but then it was quite a bit wider than the assemply. Map/Terrain.

burantek:

whitefang:

and was controlled by flexible brushed stainless tabs located in the front right corner.

again, all data appears valid. as a betting man, you had a 6000, not 6006.

my deduction was based on his "flexible brushed stainless tabs"

Would be interesting to know if it was a tangential or radial tracking that way you could narrow it down. However, as far as I can see the tangential decks are the only ones with the controls on the lower r/h corner but they all tend to be much wider that the radial decks of that period..and none of those have the controls of that type placed on the r/h corner.

Edit. I'm with Jeff on this. I would think that to remember the controls would be much clearer than the size of the unit. It probably was the slickest turntable to the OP at the time & if he saw it today would conclude that it is bigger than he remembered!

tan vs. rad would certainly settle it, though those tabs were certainly 400x-6000 territory, and i agree that none were exactly narrow...

this is rather fun!

it reminds of the old "photo quiz" thread -would love to see the crew put another quiz together!

Stonk:

I would think that to remember the controls would be much clearer than the size of the unit.

that is going on my tombstone.

burantek:

Stonk:

I would think that to remember the controls would be much clearer than the size of the unit.

that is going on my tombstone.

Does the Beogram 6000 make sense with the Beomaster 4400? Don't know the connections, but wasn't the Bg6000 quadraphonic? And made for this: http://beocentral.com/products/bm6000-1

I guess the Bg6000 can be used in standard stereo-mode. Someone will know.

And according to BeoCentral, the Beogram 6000 with the radial arm came in 1982, which is too late for Whitefang's purchase.

soundproof:

Does the Beogram 6000 make sense with the Beomaster 4400?

i was thinking the same thing, but perhaps there was a deal to be made at the time on a 6000???

whitefang could have had any of the tables from that "family" 400x - 6000...

the mystery continues!

We were attentive to any mistake when we have built the site, and the product database. Do not hesitate to report us any mistake you find.

Welcome to the club 

Any future references to sex, drugs and pink floyd are more than welcome :-)

I need to replace Dark side of the Moon, thanks for the reminder.

BG 6000 Quad could definitely be used in stereo only mode, so perhaps there was a deal to be done on this deck at the time the OP purchased it. I have a 4002 and this must be the deck refered to as it has the stainless 'tabs' mentioned by the OP.

Incidentally I have my 4002 hooked up to my BM 6000 Quad. I wonder if the OP could have a look at the photo below and confirm whether his deck looked like the one in the shot:

OK, I will concede the turntable may have been designated as 6000, ( thanks for the photo ),  but will go to my grave insisting the reciever was designated 4500.  At least I recall it from the literature I retained for several years( but have lost track of, as I have moved five times since ownership) and yes,  the 6000 and the 4500, 4400, or whatever made perfect sense.  The only thing that didn't make sense was the S-60 speakers I bought for it.  A speaker available I can best recall as designate M-100 would have been a better choice,  but placement restraints wouldn't allow their acquisition. Same reason I gladly bowed out from buying the 3300 reciever, if indeed I got THAT model number correct.  I'm just glad to be able to lay my eyes, even if only online, on those wonderful peices of sound equipment!

Whitefang

PS:  Incedentally,  A friend suggested that maybe the dealer fudged all the info to be able to sell older stuff at a new price,  as one appliance store tried to do to me with a washer and dryer.  But it was purchased at Alma's Hi Fi in Dearborn, MI, probably the most reputable sound dealer in the Detroit area.

Tim and Nick Jarman have just published a book about collecting B&O.
http://www.collectingbangandolufsen.com/

Here's the link at Tim Jarman's site to the Beomaster 4400: http://www.beocentral.com/products/bm4400

And here's a link to the Beosystem 4500 (1989-1992), where the Beomaster 4500 is a component: http://www.beocentral.com/products/bm4500

The 4500 is a halo item in the B&O line-up, and much sought after even today, because of its design. I've never owned a 4400, but as I understand this was one of the finest amplifiers in the range.

j0hnbarker:

BG 6000 Quad could definitely be used in stereo only mode, so perhaps there was a deal to be done on this deck at the time the OP purchased it. I have a 4002 and this must be the deck refered to as it has the stainless 'tabs' mentioned by the OP.

Incidentally I have my 4002 hooked up to my BM 6000 Quad. I wonder if the OP could have a look at the photo below and confirm whether his deck looked like the one in the shot:

W O W !  !  !  !

Absolutely beautiful shot of your 4002 and 6000

j0hnbarker:

BG 6000 Quad could definitely be used in stereo only mode, so perhaps there was a deal to be done on this deck at the time the OP purchased it. I have a 4002 and this must be the deck refered to as it has the stainless 'tabs' mentioned by the OP.

Incidentally I have my 4002 hooked up to my BM 6000 Quad. I wonder if the OP could have a look at the photo below and confirm whether his deck looked like the one in the shot:

W O W !  !  !  !

Absolutely beautiful shot of your 4002 and 6000

Is that a disc on your platter, or is it "naked".  If so, it is not exactly the same.  Plus, I don't recall my table having a quad mode.  The Beocentral link I got suggests a couple of disturbing things, according to the info I got from it.

1.  My memory is getting too wonky for my own good,  and I better tatoo my children's names and birthdates on me somewhere lest I forget them, too.

2. That the three most highly respected audio outlets in southeast Michigan at the time I bought my B&O system ( Alma's, Pecar Electronics and The Grammophone) WAS INDEED selling discontinued B&O components as recent and new products!  The only products that matched the purchase timeline and manufacturing lifetime were the S60 speakers  The other two components would have been two years discontinued by the time I bought them.  Unless, as the forums list suggests,  there IS a big difference between the European and North American market.

Anyway,  thanks much again for all the help and info,  and I appreciate all of your patience.  Now, one more question:  When I first bought the B&O components, much was made of the fact they operated on 4 ohms, instead of the usual eight.  I also noticed that B&O eventually started making their components 8ohms.  I now have a Miller&Kreisal sat/sub speaker system.  Are there B&O speakers that would serve well as sats, if my M&K sats crap out?  Any info would be welcome.

Whitefang

I can only double-wow your two wows, Dave. Barker has a beautiful set-up. (To Whitefang, the platter is running, while the camera is fixed, which creates the strange looking disc. It has the regular platter for the Beogram 4002).