bayerische:

koning:

I think you right on this one.

What i can understand is why B&O not using better drivers??

 

What about the  quality of the drivers in BL5 and BL9?

Oh they are kinda average, the drivers are mostly from Vifa I think. Whereas the drivers in the old Lab range is downright poor. The real key to the performance of a loudspeaker lies in the implementation of crossovers, above a certain limit, the returns brought by even better drivers diminish if the crossovers are not well executed. The quality of crossovers is the one that really differentiate the mid hifi from the high end. Contrary to popular believes, the more complicated the crossovers, the more expensive and better performing the loudspeaker is. B&W marketing ploy of boasting minimal crossover components is really laughable. But back to the main topic, since B&O speakers are actives they are able to make the most out of less, meaning exploiting the maximum potential of speaker drivers with minimum costs. 

What do you think that B&O must do to get more quality in sound out this beautiful loudspeaker wonderfulelectric.

Bigger/better drivers/new amplifier??

Better everything! The lab8000s are so old, we need a new word for old. Wait here it is.... antique.

Having a small enclosure do have its own advantages such as better imaging, less time smearing etc.. But you see B&O has long marketed most of their speakers on big sound from small enclosure and that means a lot of pressure on the drive units to keep up. The only way to actually still sound big with low distortion with the Lab 8000s is to go 3 way, and that means an additional mid-range driver to go with the current 2 way configuration. Add more bass drivers and make the entire enclosure sealed so that the bass wouldn't sound so boomy with all that power enclosed in such tight spaces. Having 2 parallel drive units to cover higher frequencies such as the mid-range is a bad idea to begin with since you will introduce lots of phase cancellation and thus smearing the imaging. And since the the woofers will need to travel a longer distance to make up for its lack of surface area, separating the midrange from the bass will be the best way to reduce doppler distortion. 

So better and more drivers, better crossover components and amplifiers which will of course drive the price up a lot higher. Then again I bet many, me included, will line up to buy a speaker with such a fusion of good looks and power.

And maybe B&O should consider this novel technology in their speaker lineup. http://www.tymphany.com/categories/tymphany-lat/subwoofer 

antique

imo many people think like this,i'm wondering if we will see a upgrade very soon,I doubt it i'm afraid

They should cos to be perfectly honest the Lab800s are wildy underpriced for the way it looks, speakers that look like these in the high end hifi world are priced at least from $10000 and above. They should make a serious upgrade and raise the prices as well. Make an anniversary edition or something. I blame the marketing of B&O for its failure. Compared to many companies of its time, B&O isn't growing as much as it should. They come out with the wrong products with the wrong looks and functions for their allocated prices, and for the wrong people. Sad!

The only upgrade is the color

maybe when they read this it opens their eyes....

We have Beolab 9s with a Velodyne subwoofer. My preference is to not use the sub. The addition of the bass from the sub was much boomier and of poor quality compared to the tight bass of the 9s. My wife however preferrs having the sub. She likes much more bass than I do.

koning:

The only upgrade is the color

maybe when they read this it opens their eyes....

Doubt so... B&O is too into preserving its stylish "I don't care about what others think about me" image. lol 

I would suggest to use the BL5 without the BL2 as they give sufficient and much purer Bass then the BL2. I think a bass that you feel in your stomach is not nice. I have tried out BL6000/BL3 in combination with BL2 and also BL5 with BL2 and then compared it with BL5 only and I must say you could really hear the difference. I have not heard the BL9 but I maybe the bass power is not sufficient. Do not forget that human being hear less then they think :-).

BL9 is other level. I don't know, but I think the BL9 doesn't need a BL2. It has a lot of power-bass, and it's very clean and defined.
I have BL8000, BL2 and BL3. I have compared both labs with and without BL2 and I prefer the BL8000. The BL3 is more clean, but the resonance of BL8000 is better. This feature results in a more natural sound.

wonderfulelectric:

koning:

The only upgrade is the color

maybe when they read this it opens their eyes....

Doubt so... B&O is too into preserving its stylish "I don't care about what others think about me" image. lol 

Sorry, i don't accept that snide remark, and it isn't funny, it's silly! If this is how you feel then why do you buy their products?

Oke' you only like to hear positive things.

Do you think what we have writing isn't true?

What's your opinion,

Yes, what you are writing isn't true, ding ding ding!

Well my problem is that i'm too lazy to type my opinion. ∆omeone please jump in, i've seen this topic raised before, but i'm not very good at articulating...

The use of certain drivers was because implementing "better quality" drivers had no discernible benefit. In my knowledge it's important that the drivers match the constraints of the speaker cabinet. The distortion you are perceiving may be from the fact that speaker drivers, amplifiers, componets and X-overs are squeezed into the tiniest space... and there are serious serious limitations. "It is the most beautiful speaker many say" and that is the balance between form and function

...... not 'image'

 

I am sorry to everyone for being OT but I'm disgruntled by remarks that unnecessarily verbal-bash B&O ("B&O is too into preserving its stylish 'I don't care about what others think about me' image"), and i feel obliged to say something.

So my question?  > ...if this is how you view the company why oh why do you buy the products?

*i also apologise for being rather passionate here please don't take anything personally* 

Dave:

wonderfulelectric:

koning:

The only upgrade is the color

maybe when they read this it opens their eyes....

Doubt so... B&O is too into preserving its stylish "I don't care about what others think about me" image. lol 

Sorry, i don't accept that snide remark, and it isn't funny, it's silly! If this is how you feel then why do you buy their products?

 Exactly because it has that " I don't care about what others thinks about me" cool attitude. Duh...  

That's what style is all about. I was simply stating the fact that B&O has to preserve that image to survive. Jeez.... you have to learn to look beyond the obvious. 

Dave:

Yes, what you are writing isn't true, ding ding ding!

Well my problem is that i'm too lazy to type my opinion. ∆omeone please jump in, i've seen this topic raised before, but i'm not very good at articulating...

The use of certain drivers was because implementing "better quality" drivers had no discernible benefit. In my knowledge it's important that the drivers match the constraints of the speaker cabinet. The distortion you are perceiving may be from the fact that speaker drivers, amplifiers, componets and X-overs are squeezed into the tiniest space... and there are serious serious limitations. "It is the most beautiful speaker many say" and that is the balance between form and function

...... not 'image'

 

I am sorry to everyone for being OT but I'm disgruntled by remarks that unnecessarily verbal-bash B&O ("B&O is too into preserving its stylish 'I don't care about what others think about me' image"), and i feel obliged to say something.

So my question?  > ...if this is how you view the company why oh why do you buy the products?

*i also apologise for being rather passionate here please don't take anything personally* 

There are and already have been speakers out there smaller than the Beolab8000s that produce bigger sounds because of better drivers and better loudspeaker design. And they happen to be non-active/conventional designs BTW. http://www.mark-daniel.com/ http://www.everything-but-the-box.com/  http://www.haliaetus.com/hava/haliaetus.html

 

 

wonderfulelectric:

Dave:

Yes, what you are writing isn't true, ding ding ding!

Well my problem is that i'm too lazy to type my opinion. ∆omeone please jump in, i've seen this topic raised before, but i'm not very good at articulating...

The use of certain drivers was because implementing "better quality" drivers had no discernible benefit. In my knowledge it's important that the drivers match the constraints of the speaker cabinet. The distortion you are perceiving may be from the fact that speaker drivers, amplifiers, componets and X-overs are squeezed into the tiniest space... and there are serious serious limitations. "It is the most beautiful speaker many say" and that is the balance between form and function

...... not 'image'

 

I am sorry to everyone for being OT but I'm disgruntled by remarks that unnecessarily verbal-bash B&O ("B&O is too into preserving its stylish 'I don't care about what others think about me' image"), and i feel obliged to say something.

So my question?  > ...if this is how you view the company why oh why do you buy the products?

*i also apologise for being rather passionate here please don't take anything personally* 

There are and already have been speakers out there smaller than the Beolab8000s that produce bigger sounds because of better drivers and better loudspeaker design. And they happen to be non-active/conventional designs BTW. http://www.mark-daniel.com/ http://www.everything-but-the-box.com/  http://www.haliaetus.com/hava/haliaetus.html

 

 

The mark-daniel web site has my virus scanner running into overdrive! I hope the speakers are better than the website.

Puncher:

wonderfulelectric:

Dave:

Yes, what you are writing isn't true, ding ding ding!

Well my problem is that i'm too lazy to type my opinion. ∆omeone please jump in, i've seen this topic raised before, but i'm not very good at articulating...

The use of certain drivers was because implementing "better quality" drivers had no discernible benefit. In my knowledge it's important that the drivers match the constraints of the speaker cabinet. The distortion you are perceiving may be from the fact that speaker drivers, amplifiers, componets and X-overs are squeezed into the tiniest space... and there are serious serious limitations. "It is the most beautiful speaker many say" and that is the balance between form and function

...... not 'image'

 

I am sorry to everyone for being OT but I'm disgruntled by remarks that unnecessarily verbal-bash B&O ("B&O is too into preserving its stylish 'I don't care about what others think about me' image"), and i feel obliged to say something.

So my question?  > ...if this is how you view the company why oh why do you buy the products?

*i also apologise for being rather passionate here please don't take anything personally* 

There are and already have been speakers out there smaller than the Beolab8000s that produce bigger sounds because of better drivers and better loudspeaker design. And they happen to be non-active/conventional designs BTW. http://www.mark-daniel.com/ http://www.everything-but-the-box.com/  http://www.haliaetus.com/hava/haliaetus.html

 

 

The mark-daniel web site has my virus scanner running into overdrive! I hope the speakers are better than the website.

Really? Sorry about that. Nothing bad happened whilst viewing it on my mac. Anyways the Mark-Daniel website is kinda bad, you can read their reviews on www.6moons.com . Basically monitor speakers loaded with drivers that are coupled with giant NdFeb magnets and low crossover points.

 

Dave it's time for you to grow up!!

Have you ever listen to other loudspeakers??The beolab 8000 is a beautiful loudspeaker a icon but the sound is not very good.

It's to bad B&O didn't upgrade this speaker (a reel upgrade!!)

Fact - B&O make fantastic speakers that look great and sound superb, and the really rare thing for B&O is that they are actually exceptional good value for money!

 Lab8000 as with all B&O speakers, with the exception of Lab5, that actually sound worse with Lab2, sound better with the sub, if you like bass, particularly in a surround set up.

 Lab9s in my opinion sound better with the Lab2, but like all things, it comes down to personal preference - I at least have the opportunity of hearing them all every day at work - and would of course always recommend a Lab2 with all combinations except lab5...

http://www.bang-olufsen.com/Userfiles/File/Press/Lab-report_BeoLab9.pdf

koning:

Yes, what you are writing isn't true, ding ding ding!

It's time for you  to grown up!!

Have you ever listing to other loudspeakers?? it's a beautiful speaker a icon but the sound is not very good.

It's to bad B&O didn't upgrade this speaker (a reel upgrade!!)

huh? Don't really get you are trying to say. Of course I have listened to other loudspeakers. I was talking about B&O's image not about a specific product per say. B&O's image is all about being cool and different, unlike many of the electronic manufacturers who constantly compete with each other. I dunno why you guys are reacting so strongly to the statement I just made. Ask one of the directors at B&O and ask about their branding strategy and I bet they will tell you that " instead of giving what other manufacturers are offering we are trying to provide an alternative more avant-garde approach to  making electronics".   

So giving the Beolab8000s a genuine upgrade will be sorta apologizing for its offbeat appeal. 

The replay is ment for the post from Dave

 

 

Dave it's time for you to grow up!!

Have you ever listen to other loudspeakers??The beolab 8000 is a beautiful loudspeaker a icon but the sound is not very good.

It's to bad B&O didn't upgrade this speaker (a reel upgrade!!)

I'm pretty mature for 21... what were you doing when you were 21? That isn't relevant, i quite clearly typed there, don't take what i say personally. It's not a personal attack.

wonderfulelectric:

I dunno why you guys are reacting so strongly to the statement I just made. Ask one of the directors at B&O and ask about their branding strategy and I bet they will tell you that " instead of giving what other manufacturers are offering we are trying to provide an alternative more avant-garde approach to  making electronics".   

So giving the Beolab8000s a genuine upgrade will be sorta apologizing for its offbeat appeal. 

- You have a good point, i misinterpreted what you said there - big time, it didn't read like that at all, sorry! I need to be more mindful but as much as i do, so do you when typing, things are bound to be misinterpreted on a forum / online where there is no body lanuage or tone of voice to gauge on.

I won't be so snappy next time, sorry sorry   i'm really generally a gentle person, honest! And maybe i was in a slightly bad mood.

 

lol... That's really okay Dave. But you should know that I am 21 too.You are not the only young one around here you know.lolz..

Have a great weekend!

Alexander