Hello!

I read in a different post that the 720 BV9 has perhaps better picture on normal broadcasts than the 1080 version.

I am still in love with my Avant DVD, but I am considering a BV7-40 when it comes with a bluray player.

I live in Norway, where there are very limited broadcasts in HD, at least so far. Will the pivture on the BV7-40 be worse than on the Avant (which btw is wonderful)?? What about the 32 inch version? 32 inches is probably more than enough in my living room, but I think the 32 is much too expensive given that you don't get the BS3 and no Full HD.

thavn:

I live in Norway, where there are very limited broadcasts in HD, at least so far. Will the pivture on the BV7-40 be worse than on the Avant (which btw is wonderful)?? What about the 32 inch version? 32 inches is probably more than enough in my living room, but I think the 32 is much too expensive given that you don't get the BS3 and no Full HD.

As an owner of the BV7-40 MKIII (and someone who likes the TV) I can categorically tell you that non-HD TV programmes will be worse than on your Avant. ITV football is almost unwatchable on my BV7-40, whereas the same channel looks fine on my Mum's old Sony CRT.

The latest BV7-32 is better for standard definition TV, but I'd seriously wait for the forthcoming revised BV7-32 which should ship with HDMI sockets. This is planned for May/June this year, according to people on this board.

Design wise, I prefer the look and feel of the BV7-32 over the BV7-40. The larger screen makes the TV look a tad clumsy and  unbalanced. The design suits the 32". The BV7-40 dominates my TV room, yet the room isn't exactly small. I would imagine the BV9 would dominate further as it's 12cm wider.

On a positive note, Blu-ray movies and PS3 games look absolutely stunning on the BV7-40 MKIII. Most HD sources look stunning on the BV7-40. For example, in the UK Sky Sports HD, BBC HD and other channels.

yes , it's a shame bno felt pressured into going full hd on the bv7

on one hand it seems like - oh great , at last they're up to the minute tech wise

but as you mentioned sd looks naff on a 1080 screen

720p is so good i don't know why they make such a big deal out of all this 1080 , my bravia's 1080 only comes into it's own when i attached my mac pro to it , otherwise it's pointless 

Flappo, no idea. Perhaps B&O thought that users would 'demand' 1080p minimum, so they felt compelled? Also, perhaps it's a lack of 40" non-HD quality panels? Are there any 40" 720p LCD panels?

Moxxey,

I can't imagine why B&O might have felt pressured to be up the the minute/bleeding edge.... 

Unfortunately, people demanded Full-HD, not really knowing that what they were asking for was incompatible with the majority of the signals available. HD-Ready is more than adequate for anything not projected. And Full-HD on a 40" or even 50" screen is overkill. Dealers weren't able to shift HD-Ready, once the public caught on to the pre world soccer championship hype about Full-HD from the various manufacturers.

I can clearly see a difference between my upscaled DVDs and HD-Ready, but at my viewing distance of 3m+, I can't tell a difference between Full-HD and HD-Ready on my 50" screen.
Then again, one has to wonder about picture quality and subjective taste - I spend a bit of time watching YouTube videos of various performances, and the resolution on those is atrocious (though they are providing more and more HD). I still find watching these enjoyable - in spite of the reduced quality.

 

soundproof:

I can clearly see a difference between my upscaled DVDs and HD-Ready, but at my viewing distance of 3m+, I can't tell a difference..

You're right for most TV programmes. However, Blu-ray movies do have deeper and more vibrant colours when compared to their SD counterparts. I've been upgrading my most important SD movies to Blu-ray through 2008 and, if I compare both, the SD version is a little 'washed out' compared to the Blu-ray, particularly on my 1080p screen. Most recent Blu-ray movies, such as Dark Knight are visually and aurally stunning.

The problem is that the best LCD panels are unlikely to be available in 720p, so it's less about us consumers demanding full HD and more that the manufacturer's promotions have forced themselves to only offer 1080p screens.

Funny thing is that most consumers won't have any idea what 1080p is, exactly. Listen to the general public in any Sony Centre or other TV retailer and you'll find it's the salesperson who is convincing the consumer that they need 1080p not the other way around.

Absolutely. Not in a second's doubt that true Blu ray is better than SD. My point was that SD broadcasts upscale badly. True Full-HD or HD-Ready looks wonderful, even on a 40" screen!

Thanks for your replies.

Obviously the Full HD panel is better when you play a BD, but what about a normal DVD on a 1080p panel vs a 720p tv? Will it look better on the 720 panel because of poor upscaling on the 1080 panel?

I want to buy a TV that will last a few years, and I guess HD broadcasts will be more common in Norway in the years to come. I agree with the size argument of the BV7-32, I think it looks better than the 40 inch version, but I continue to talk myself into keeping my Avant, which I am very happy with.

Am I correct if I presume that the BV7-32 has no real improvement in Picture Quality over my old Avant DVD 100 hz. What about HD broadcasts?

I'm sorry about all these questions, but this is kind of confusing.

thavn:

Obviously the Full HD panel is better when you play a BD, but what about a normal DVD on a 1080p panel vs a 720p tv? Will it look better on the 720 panel because of poor upscaling on the 1080 panel?

Am I correct if I presume that the BV7-32 has no real improvement in Picture Quality over my old Avant DVD 100 hz. What about HD broadcasts?

A normal standard definition DVD will look better on the 720p panel. It's fine on a 1080p panel, too, but just not stunning. Blu-ray offers a more vibrant and colour-rich experience. However, you only really notice this when you compare the Blu-ray to the SD DVD.

I wouldn't buy a 1080p screen thinking you're 'future proofing' (I hate this expression) your future TV experience. I own a BV7-40 MKIII, bought December 2007, and am already thinking of upgrading to the forthcoming BV7-40 MKIV. Should have an updated 100Hz panel, Blu-ray player and perhaps and updated BS3.

BV7-32 is most likely a downgrade in PQ compared to your Avant! HD looks good on the BV7-32 and will probably be equal to your Avant. Maybe.

If I was in your situation, I'd hold on to the Avant and consider the new BV7-40 MKIV due later this year (Summer?).

moxxey:

... am already thinking of upgrading to the forthcoming BV7-40 MKIV. Should have an updated 100Hz panel, Blu-ray player and perhaps and updated BS3.

Moxxey, i'm curious. Please explain to us why you are concerned about the Hz of a LCD screen. A 100Hz CRT screen vs a 50Hz is the difference in flicker and picture sharpness.

The difference between a 100Hz panel and 50Hz panel are pretty much insignificant, so who has been telling you you need to have 100Hz in an LCD?

What about the bv7-32 MKIV?!

 

Dave:

Moxxey, i'm curious. Please explain to us why you are concerned about the Hz of a LCD screen. A 100Hz CRT screen vs a 50Hz is the difference in flicker and picture sharpness.

Did I say I was concerned? No, I was just pointing out the (guessed) differences between the current MKIII and the MKIV and that I'm planning on upgrading, regardless.

However, panning of live football games is almost certainly improved on a 100Hz panel. I watch a lot of football. Even if it's 5% better, that's an improvement.

koning:

What about the bv7-32 MKIV?!

What about it? If it has a full HD panel, then B&O have made a bad decision. A 32" LCD screen doesn't need full HD.

 

theres a lot made of static resolution 1080 p or 720 p how about pioneers campaign to promote motion resolution

also the high ambient light of lcd what happens on a bv7 or 8 when you watch  a film and turn the lights down low do you get a lot of light shinig thru the screen 

Ouch! *sucks on hand that was bitten* [&]

Samsung has a new backlighting,does this means that the new beovisions also get this new backlighting.

koning:

Samsung has a new backlighting,does this means that the new beovisions also get this new backlighting.

AFAIK B&O TVs have their own backlighting? ie. this is an area where B&O are supposed to excel.

>>What about it? If it has a full HD panel, then B&O have made a bad decision. A 32" LCD screen doesn't need full HD. <<

They have a 720P screen in the BV8, which I am enjoying a lot. I can even stream Internet TV and its somewhat watchable. DVD is stunning.

I would think there is a chance that the BV7 32 gets a 720P screen as well, simply because it won't have the luxury of the BS3 in the back.

 I prefer the look of the 32" over the 40" as well for reasons giving here, I would not buy though the 32" right now. Its just too far behind when it comes to connections but I am thinking its well worth to wait until summer or so for the updated model. 

jk1002:

>>What about it? If it has a full HD panel, then B&O have made a bad decision. A 32" LCD screen doesn't need full HD. <<

They have a 720P screen in the BV8, which I am enjoying a lot. I can even stream Internet TV and its somewhat watchable. DVD is stunning.

Same here. The only problem I have with my BV8 panel is that blacks are no way near as intense as the BV7-40 MKIII. I can almost compare them side-by-side and the BV8 blacks are more like very dark grey.

I´ve done some research and there actually are quite a few HD broadcasts available, but I´m not sure how HD these broadcast are? Are they best watched in Full HD or HD-ready? I can´t find information on this anywhere...

thavn:

I´ve done some research and there actually are quite a few HD broadcasts available, but I´m not sure how HD these broadcast are? Are they best watched in Full HD or HD-ready? I can´t find information on this anywhere...

HD broadcasts are not Full HD. They are either 720p or 1080i. Therefore you only really need a 720p screen to view HD TV.

Full HD is achieved through Blu-ray or 1080p PS3 games. You might be able to download the odd 1080p movie, but most likely these are 720p. The snag is that a 1080p download adds GBs to the size, yet offers only a negliable improvement in picture quality.

You should receive a better audio experience from Blu-ray than a HD TV programme or broadcast movie.