Hi All

I am seriously considering switching my BV 7-32 for a BV9, but i am a bit concerned that the television will look way to big in my livingroom (approx 25 squarefeet). I am planning to place it against a 4 meter wall with bl5´s on each side. The viewing distance will be about 3- 3,5 meters. My question is, how many of you had the same consideration before buying BV9. Has anyone got BV9 in a similar viewing distance and loving every bit of it? Third and most important, could you maybe provide some pictures of your BV9 setups that will make it easier for me to decide on buying this masterpiece :-).

I will use the television for both SD and HD material, and it is important that I can watch ordinary SD broadcasting without this looking absolutely awful at this distance. Furthermore, does anyone have a problem with the fact that BV9 is tilted backward, leaving the viewing sweetspot higher than normal, or is this accounted for on the tv??

Please help me, as my dealer does not seem to be to happy about delivering a "loan" BV9 on fourth floor and then risking having to bring it back to the store :-)

 

Thanks in advance 

WOW nice choices of course, but that's a real squeeze with the BL5's... maybe look for a BV5 which is 42". Have you already got the BL5's? Becuse that just seems like a small space for them and i'm assuming they are closer to the corners of the room?

I'm not aware of any sweetspot with the vertical viewing angle, it's more to do with the distance. I have a 32" CRT beovision and i sit 3 metres which is as close as i want to go... with a 50" and trying to watch SD content i'd be more inclined to go to  at least 5 metres back from the TV

Sorry, I have got to be honest and say that the BV9 is not a Masterpiece. Where you get that from I am not quite sure. In my view, its an expensive TV that is 'pretty good' for the moment, but that's it. I could never call it or see it as a masterpiece, but that's just me. If B&O heard that from all their customers then they would have nothing to aim for in the future!

The BV5 had potential, but they abandoned it; only they know why.

My advice is to keep the BV7-32 and wait for B&O to come out with a new TV. It won't be a BV9 or even a BV5, it will be a different 'beast' altogether, but that will be the model to go for, believe me. BV7, BV5, BV9, these are just interim/test products to the next Avant (of the millenium).

Simon.

I have to agree with Dave that the television is not the biggest concern here. BeoLab 5s in a 25 square foot room is like a Lambo on a sidewalk. I'm not even sure 9s would be alright in this room!

As for the BeoVision 9, I'm not gaga over any SD on mine at any distance. Whatever official lines any company (ours included) may have I personally have resigned myself to seeking out only HD content and watching SD on the Avant in the bedroom or an MX elsewhere in the house. At this size with this technology I don't care if it's a bargain bin product, a BeoVision, or a Kuro. SD just doesn't do the technology justice. And if a client isn't ready to make that sort of lifestyle shift, it's money wasted. Now that's my opinion and my paycheck sometimes requires me to be wrong, but I'm speaking as an owner of the products here, not of the shop. I just don't like SD on any LCD or plasma of any size.

So I guess I'd agree with Simon but for different reasons. Make the investment when you're ready to leave SD largely behind or when the content offerings, be they disc, digital, or dish offer you enough HD to justify this leap. For me there's more than enough, but it's totally down to what you watch personally.

Hope this helps!  

Ehlerz:

Hi All

I am seriously considering switching my BV 7-32 for a BV9, but i am a bit concerned that the television will look way to big in my livingroom (approx 25 squarefeet). I am planning to place it against a 4 meter wall with bl5´s on each side. The viewing distance will be about 3- 3,5 meters. My question is, how many of you had the same consideration before buying BV9. Has anyone got BV9 in a similar viewing distance and loving every bit of it? Third and most important, could you maybe provide some pictures of your BV9 setups that will make it easier for me to decide on buying this masterpiece :-).

I will use the television for both SD and HD material, and it is important that I can watch ordinary SD broadcasting without this looking absolutely awful at this distance. Furthermore, does anyone have a problem with the fact that BV9 is tilted backward, leaving the viewing sweetspot higher than normal, or is this accounted for on the tv??

Please help me, as my dealer does not seem to be to happy about delivering a "loan" BV9 on fourth floor and then risking having to bring it back to the store :-)

 

Thanks in advance 

I have aprox the same squarefeet

But I have as you see BL 8000

 

mr_anders_son:

Ehlerz:

 

I have aprox the same squarefeet

But I have as you see BL 8000

 

 

And Simon how can you say that is not a master peace? 

mr Andres, wonderful  !

this picture is perfect for this thread: http://forum.beoworld.org/forums/thread/171539.aspx

 

TripEnglish:

I have to agree with Dave that the television is not the biggest concern here. BeoLab 5s in a 25 square foot room is like a Lambo on a sidewalk. I'm not even sure 9s would be alright in this room!

Correct. I rarely use my BL5's and they are in a reasonably large room. I could never watch movies through the BL5's, unless I was in a barn conversion or on a top floor apartment where the flooring was made of concrete ;)

BL9's are perfect for movies and will be all you need in a room this size.

thats one of the reasons im holding fire on buying a beovision most tv content is sd

mind you many brand x tvs are appaling on sd 

Hi All

 Thanks for your quick replies. Yes, i allready have Bl5´s and enjoy them very much despite the rather small livingroom. Had Bl9 ´s but got a good deal on trading them in for 5´s. I am slowly moving towards HD or at least digital broadcasting, but as i am located in denmark, there are not many HD channels to go for. I do get your point however and will reconsider just keeping my Bv 7-32 for the moment and then maybe go for the march Bluray Bv 7-40....It is either that, or buying a much bigger house :-)

 By the way, i live on the fourth floor in an apartment complex with wooden floors and had my BL´5 playing at volume 85 without any complaints...Way to loud for the room yes, but had to show the guys what these puppies are capable of ;-)

 

Ehlerz:

 By the way, i live on the fourth floor in an apartment complex with wooden floors and had my BL´5 playing at volume 85 without any complaints...

Oh I do too, when I know the people on the first floor are away from their apartment :)

Have you considered a BV9 720p version? This would be better for SD than the current 1080p model. My BV7-40 MKIII (1080p) is superb with 1080p-sourced movies or PS3 games, excellent for 1080i HD TV, but not so brilliant for the majority of TV. For example, football on ITV is almost unwatchable.

moxxey:

Ehlerz:

 By the way, i live on the fourth floor in an apartment complex with wooden floors and had my BL´5 playing at volume 85 without any complaints...

Oh I do too, when I know the people on the first floor are away from their apartment :)

Have you considered a BV9 720p version? This would be better for SD than the current 1080p model. My BV7-40 MKIII (1080p) is superb with 1080p-sourced movies or PS3 games, excellent for 1080i HD TV, but not so brilliant for the majority of TV. For example, football on ITV is almost unwatchable.

hi Moxxey

Yes i have actually considered this, however my dealer told me that this was not going to be so much cheaper than the Fuld HD version with Picture Control. Therefore i cant justify getting a worse version (720) than the 1080. Tricky one!!  

Ehlerz:

Yes i have actually considered this, however my dealer told me that this was not going to be so much cheaper than the Fuld HD version with Picture Control. Therefore i cant justify getting a worse version (720) than the 1080. Tricky one!!  

He's bound to tell you that as the old 720p version isn't available and isn't a TV your dealer can ship. You'd need to pick one up from Lifestyle AV or one of the other retailers. Expect to pay around £10K for the 720p version.

The Bath B&O dealer is selling a demonstration model 720p BV9 at the moment, although they want £11500. If you're in the Eurozone, however, you may find that this is a very good price to pay for a BV9. No idea how much a new BV9 is in Euros, but I'd guess around EUR 20K?

Ehlerz:

i live on the fourth floor in an apartment complex with wooden floors and had my BL´5 playing at volume 85 without any complaints...Way to loud for the room yes, but had to show the guys what these puppies are capable of ;-)

 

ARE YOU FREAKIN SERIOUS? holy mother of god, what freak of nature of a building is this?! And volume 85? How long before you had to turn them back down to avoid going into a time warp and having your eardrums explode?

I was given to understand that for a 50" panel,at a 3-3.5 metre viewing distance,it would be difficult to discern a difference between  720p,and 1080p,images.

As for the alleged poor picture quality of SD material on a1080p panel surely this is dependent on the quality of the sources.

The SDDVD PQ produced by my Oppo 983 into my Pioneer LX608 is excellent,as is the TV's inbuilt DVBT tuner.

When I auditioned the 720p BV9 I was very impressed with it's SD performance.

Has there been a deterioration in performance between the 720p,and 1080p,models?

 

TerryM:

As for the alleged poor picture quality of SD material on a1080p panel surely this is dependent on the quality of the sources.

Absolutely correct. If you watch a HD-filmed TV programme on BBC One, it's far superior to anything from ITV. Particularly sport. This is through Sky. However, analogue standard definition is even worse. F1 or football on ITV is unbearable. My old BV8-26 shows SD TV better than my BV7-40, for example.

There's no deterioration in the picture processing, it's just that standard definition TV is upscaled for 720p screens and upscaled even further for a 1080p screen. If it's a poor quality analogue SD signal, you'll see more pixelisation and blur on a 1080p screen than a 720p.

Dave:

Ehlerz:

i live on the fourth floor in an apartment complex with wooden floors and had my BL´5 playing at volume 85 without any complaints...Way to loud for the room yes, but had to show the guys what these puppies are capable of ;-)

 

ARE YOU FREAKIN SERIOUS? holy mother of god, what freak of nature of a building is this?! And volume 85? How long before you had to turn them back down to avoid going into a time warp and having your eardrums explode?

 

Actually it is a quite old building and everything was shaking. I had no on living right below me at the time and the volume was also only this high for maybe 30 seconds.

Even though my livingroom is rather small, i am very pleased with my Lab 5´s. They are IMO superior at all volumes and usually I play them at around 50-60 when it is supposed to be loud.

SO no matter the size of your room, the 5´s can IMO (almost) ALWAYS  be justsified...

mr_anders_son:

Ehlerz:

Hi All

I am seriously considering switching my BV 7-32 for a BV9, but i am a bit concerned that the television will look way to big in my livingroom (approx 25 squarefeet). I am planning to place it against a 4 meter wall with bl5´s on each side. The viewing distance will be about 3- 3,5 meters. My question is, how many of you had the same consideration before buying BV9. Has anyone got BV9 in a similar viewing distance and loving every bit of it? Third and most important, could you maybe provide some pictures of your BV9 setups that will make it easier for me to decide on buying this masterpiece :-).

I will use the television for both SD and HD material, and it is important that I can watch ordinary SD broadcasting without this looking absolutely awful at this distance. Furthermore, does anyone have a problem with the fact that BV9 is tilted backward, leaving the viewing sweetspot higher than normal, or is this accounted for on the tv??

Please help me, as my dealer does not seem to be to happy about delivering a "loan" BV9 on fourth floor and then risking having to bring it back to the store :-)

 

Thanks in advance 

I have aprox the same squarefeet

But I have as you see BL 8000

 

 

WOW...Nice setup... It seems that even though it may not be ideal, you have room for lab 5´s on each side of your BV9. Depends on personal preference of-cause, but i think it would look AWSOME.. not to forget sound AWSOME.. I actually do not plan to have much more than a television, lab 5´s, lab 3´s on floorstands and a sofa with a table in my living room. Like it minimalistic...

Ehlerz:

WOW...Nice setup... It seems that even though it may not be ideal, you have room for lab 5´s on each side of your BV9. Depends on personal preference of-cause, but i think it would look AWSOME.. not to forget sound AWSOME.. I actually do not plan to have much more than a television, lab 5´s, lab 3´s on floorstands and a sofa with a table in my living room. Like it minimalistic...

I disagree. Adding the BL5s would his place look a little 'busy'. The 8000s look right. More balanced.

Besides, BL5s for movies would be totally overkill - I have enough problems with the BL9s. When watching Dark Knight the other day, I had to keep re-adjusting the volume.

BTW, my TV room sounds like your suggestion, but with BL9s next to my BV7-40. I've never taken any pictures though, as it doesn't look as cool as the combo above - you'd be suprised how a large room can be made to look small and cluttered when you have a BV7-40 and two BL9s by the side.

My room with the lab 5 and a BV4-50 is quite small as well, however it is a dedicated media room.

I am more than happy with the setup as the lab 5 brought the sound back to the house. I tried different loudspeaker and I used to own the famous B&W 802n. But the bass was always a real nightmare...the lab 5 solved my problem with a small room

Karsten 

 

 

 

 

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If i was to my collect media only from a visual aspect, i would NOT go for the huge Bl5´s, however, sound is 85% for me and with lab 5´s i really think the last 15% for looks are quite good. Yes the lab 8000´s looks absolutely stunning and they will in my opinion always be the prettiest B&O speakers ever made, BUT where they have the look, they miss the relative performance to lab 5´s. I will sell my "small" 90 sqf apartment before parting with my speakers :-). SO the speakers absolutely has to stay. I have to decide between the new 7-40 and a BV9. 7-40 has inbuild blueray, 100 hz, DVB-C module etc. BV9 is bigger, IMO more beautiful and plasma with (well i dont know yet but still assume) better colors, blacklevel etc... For me, this is a really tough choice. That said, had my livingroom been 40 sqf, i would definitely go for BV9.. I mean, can i live with the fact that BV9 might not be the BEST choice for MY livingroom at THIS moment, instead of me compromising and buying a BV 7..??

Ehlerz:

If i was to my collect media only from a visual aspect, i would NOT go for the huge Bl5´s...

I don't just go for stuff for the 'visual aspect'. However, I want my place to look overly cluttered either! Even BL9s in a medium sized room is overkill. Watch a recent Blu-ray movie and the sound really resonates around the room.

moxxey:

Ehlerz:

If i was to my collect media only from a visual aspect, i would NOT go for the huge Bl5´s...

I don't just go for stuff for the 'visual aspect'. However, I want my place to look overly cluttered either! Even BL9s in a medium sized room is overkill. Watch a recent Blu-ray movie and the sound really resonates around the room.

I understand and agree 100%..however, when you say that Bl5´s and 9´s are overkill in a medium sized room, you make it sound like these speakers are only superior at high volumes. This is as you probably know yourself not the case. Yes, my speakers sometimes shakes the room during an action movie, but then i have the opportunity to lower the volume. Furthermore, the lab 5´s ability to calibrate themselves to every roomsize IMO justifies the Lab 5´s instead of lab 9´s at all times (if your room size psychically allows it that is)

I am sure your room must be bigger than 25 sq ft - that is only 5ft x 5ft. Don't you mean 25 sq metres?

I have a BV7-40 mk 3, and both HD and SD look excellent from all sources. However with an SD source if you sit too close you will see pixellation, although I do feel the BV7-40 handles it better than any other set I have seen so far. For SD I would not want to sit closer than 3m, 4m would be better. These screens are large so you can sit further away. Beware the BV9 is a big TV, it tends to look good in dealer's premises because they tend on the whole to be substantially more spacious than a domestic environment. To be a bit "blue peter" why not mock up the set in card if you are in any doubt about it's size - definitely better than spending over 10k and then finding out that it is just too big for your room I suspect that a BV9 and BL5s would dominate your room, but if it could work and not look out of place then it would be sublime.

nmartin771:

mr_anders_son:

Ehlerz:

 

I have aprox the same squarefeet

But I have as you see BL 8000

 

 

And Simon how can you say that is not a master peace? 

mr Andres, wonderful  !

this picture is perfect for this thread: http://forum.beoworld.org/forums/thread/171539.aspx

 

The BV9 is a great TV and is of course B&O's flagship television but I rarely call products masterpieces unless in my opinion they are, and for me, the BV9 is certainly not a masterpiece. The BV5 was the closest to being a masterpiece. B&O products that I would call masterpieces include: BeoSound 9000, BeoLab 5, BeoLab 9, AV 9000, BS2300/2500/3000, BeoLink 7000 to name but a few. Of course my definition of what constitutes a masterpiece is very different from someone else, and that's as it should be. I am a critic and a hard one at that. I look for perfection as much as I can. The products I have mentioned, in my opinion, have pushed the boundaries in terms of design, innovation, imagination, technical specifications, build quality and sustainability. Some B&O products are in museums for these very reasons. Much as I like the BV9, and I do, I couldn't ever say it is a masterpiece as I think there is a lot more B&O could do to create a masterpiece tv.

Just my thoughts on the matter. Ask yourself this question . o O ( Will the BV9 achieve the same as the BeoSound 9000 has in terms of longevity? ) If not, why not? I would not accept an answer that audio products differ from tv products. Technology is technology, whichever way you look at it and everything gets superceded ... or does it? (BS 9000)

Simon.