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  • 11-15-2008 11:43 AM

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    The Oliver Wallington Interview

    Well, i had the opportunity for some one-to-one time with oliver Wallington at Struer, so to follow are some Questions and Answers from him.  He's a great guy to talk to, very easy going but extrremely focused. I can imagine he is regarded as an asset to the company by his employers.

    Here is a brief resume of his career so far as outlined in BeoWorld's original launch thread, and the interview will follow. Here also is an image of Oliver and myself as he talked us through the BeoSound 5 at the Copenhagen Opera House launch.

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    Concept Developer Oliver Wallington has a B.Sc. in Industrial Design from Brunel University in the UK, and specializes in technology product concept and usability. He uses design, media and hardware prototyping skills to assist development of innovative and intuitive user focused products, taking concepts to working prototype level. This includes the renewal of existing products, the further development of ideas from external designers and creating new projects, identifying potentially interesting areas by looking at a mix of user needs, trends and technology and market and company considerations.

    Prior to Bang & Olufsen, Oliver Wallington had 10 years’ working experience as a Design/Concept contractor. His main client in this time was LEGO, where he was involved inproducts such as Bionicle, Mindstorms, Cyber Master and Music Builder as well as web games and graphics for the LEGO website (Alphateam games, educationgraphics etc). Other clients include GN Netcom (headset design and UI), Danfoss(Controller UI simulations and presentations), Linde Werdlin (UI development of exclusive watch), and the Danish School of Education (development/code/graphics for game for physically disabled). Oliver also still occasionally teaches both concept process and communication/prototyping methods in Danish Universities.

    He was one of the early members of the IdeaLab department at Bang & Olufsen, whose role it was to explore and develop concepts from a digital perspective. IdeaLab was set up as a supplement to the existing Idealand development department, with which it has since merged to become the IdeaFactory.

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  • 11-15-2008 12:10 PM In reply to

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    Re: The Oliver Wallington Interview

    The Oliver Wallington Interview - November 13th 2008

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    I found the BeoSound 5 quite logical and easy to operate – how much thought went into the actual user interface?

    Well, we wanted to avoid the two dimensional kind of interface and hark back to the old ‘knobs and dials’ of classic B&O products like the radiogram.  Our original model was totally flat, but we wanted to give the feeling of ‘looking inside’ an album which led to the current design.

     

    As far as i understand, the dealers demo models will be ‘dumbed down’ or ‘stripped out’ version – what exactly is left to do, or what will be omitted from or added to the actual product when it is launched?

    It’s not really a case of adding or omitting, but simply making sure the product will be perfect. We will carry on testing the product during this time and refine the software.

     

    As an example – what will happen if you upload an album that has no cover art attached?

    If you rip to BeoPlayer it will use gracenote to get the required information, and we also have the Net Radio which will be provided by the actual radio provider – but to be honest i am not sure about adding these yourself as it wasn’t my task. I know the prototypes a lot better!

     

    With regards to left handed users, would it have been easy to allow the display to ‘flip over’ and the buttons and lever to reverse? Surely it can’t be too hard?

    There were actually a lot of prototypes made where we were playing around with that, but there were a combination of reasons we didn’t do that.  You would be amazed how different right and left handed products actually look, both from a ‘flow’ of reading perspective  and also a design element.  There is also a technical challenge involved in all of the connections, especially rotating DVI.

     

    So, it was purely a financial reason to leave it out?

    No, not really – it was honestly more of a technical challenge, but of course a total redesign would have cost a lot of money and this would have to be passed on to the customer.  It was possible, but there were a lot of reasons why not.

     

    Being honest, is there anything about the BeoSound 5 where you though ‘hmm, we missed that out and we shouldn’t have’ or ‘we missed a trick there’ ?

    Oooh, you are kind of asking the person who’s job it is to come up with all of this!!! (laughs). Obviously this is a difficult question as this is a launch we are all very proud of, but it is my role to question everything. On early prototypes we were looking at more mechanical clicks, forced feedbacks and many other elements. It could have been nicer if it was wireless, but then you have also got the power constraints.

    Personally, and this is only my own taste, i would have liked the wheel to have been a little heavier.

     

    I agree, i too found it very light.

    In defence of the product though, when the designer placed the scroll wheel on the top of the screen it gave us a lot less space to work with, so that really constrained us.

     

    I have been told that podcasts are not available to it, is that true?

    There were quite a few more sources which we considered at the design stage, like BBC on-demand, podcasts, music services etc – but they weren’t actually ready at the time.

     

    One question of my own, and forgive me if it’s a bit left-field – is there any way of downloading libraries, albums or songs directly from the BeoSound/BeoMaster 5 directly to an Mp3 device like an iPod or BeoSound 6?

    We were quite sure about that aspect as we didn’t want a product you could just buy music on, then distribute to other sources etc.  We decided that the computer could do this task as we wanted to keep the BeoPlayer the ‘hub’ or ‘switching station’.

     

    Will you, or have you improved BeoPlayer at all in order to enhance the experience with the BeoSound 5?

    Just using the prototype BeoSound 5 at home i have noticed a lot of software updates, but i’m not aware of any redesigns – just the back-end updates.  The BeoPlayer is totally ‘ready’ for the BeoSound 5, that i can say. There is also the BeoConnect which will allow import of iTunes songs for Mac Users.

     

    At the software design stage, was integration with Macs a concern / hot topic?

    Well, Mac is going to great lengths to protect its own business, and now that problem has been passed to us by Mac users! (laughs). We have the whole DRM issue – and at the end of the day they are doing it for their own business, which can certainly cause us problems.

     

    Are Apple being ‘aloof’ then?  Being realistic, they can afford to be..

    Obviously we aren’t competing with Apple so have never had a real problem, but from talking to some of the software guys here it has been conveyed that digging into things like iTunes has been extremely difficult.  They have a business to protect after all, but maybe in the future we’ll send someone to talk to them and it will all click into place.

     

    Okay, being negative as well as positive – people will always compare a media server to something like Apple TV or a similar device. What argument could you have in favour of the BeoSound 5 to effectively ‘quosh’ these comparisons?

    There will always be a portion of the market that are happy to use their TV as a way of displaying their navigation of Audio and Video collections, but with Beoplayer we are effectively doing that as well.  However, there are always going to be a number of people who don’t want to turn that big screen on just to listen to music.  It’s big, it takes up more power – and it can detract from the listening experience. We still feel there is a place for a standalone audio product.

     

    I heard the words ‘ripping service’ mentioned in the past – can you expand?

    Yes, certainly. Some of our dealers have used, for the BeoMedia, independent companies that will rip all of your CD’s to Mp3.  I’m not sure what it costs, but using one global supplier so to speak would get costs down – however, it’s a pretty localised thing.  One other thing to think of is that one company may tag all of your Christmas songs ‘folk’ and another may label them ‘pop’ and having one standard company with a consistent tagging format would be beneficial.. However, just the idea of being able to literally turn up with a box of CD’s and have someone do all the work for you is rather appealing!

     

    In the future, do you see any formats, functionalities or revolutionary ideas coming over the horizon with regards the way we listen to and access our music, and can the BeoSound 5 be adapted to incorporate these easily?

    We don’t actually have an ‘official’ comment on how the product will/can develop functionality wise, but at the moment we are focusing on making the existing product last an perform better.  I’ve seen some interesting things done with the BeoSound 5, but these were only exploratory and nothing has been decided for its future direction with any ‘new formats’.

     

    But if something does come along, would it be easy to do?

    With that in mind, we did lean towards making the actual user interface (ie the buttons) as ‘neutral’ as possible. We stripped it right down to two arrows and a Go button, so we can do much more with what we have should we need to.  That said, personally i hope that it will always be an Audio unit as it adds more value to the product.  If it did all things to all people, we would be simply selling a ‘functions list’ and not a specialised product.

     

    But what if in the future you could add say a separate box to the set-up with a (for instance) 3 terabyte memory that could store Video only – could you upload software to the Beomaster 5 to allow Video control and distribution and cover all bases?

    Technically yes, but i would rather not from the conceptual point of view.  Also because when we were developing the unit it was totally focused on being an audio navigator and is possibly not in the position that perhaps you would want a video navigator – if that makes sense! 

     

    What about when you connect the BeoMaster 5 to say a Beovision 9 – can you replicate the admittedly very pretty BeoSound 5 display on your TV screen?

    No, the BeoSound 5 screen is the only time you will see this.  If you connect the BeoMaster 5 only to the Television it will show BeoMedia. However, if you have all three, the BeoSound 5 will handle music control and BeoMedia will pick up the rest such as photo’s and movies.

     

    Changing subject slightly – where do you feel (or know!) what ‘area’ the next ‘killer product is coming from?  Whilst i know you can’t say too much – please, throw us a morsel !!

    (laughs) For me, personally – i would like B&O to redefine product categories. There are a lot of strange products coming out from other manufacturers in general, because now we are going over to digital platforms it is easy to add functionality ‘because we can’..  Their functions lists get so huge they get lost in themselves.  My dream and hope is that with being ideally placed to create new categories, they will !

     

    Do you think being that adventurous can lead to unnecessary risks financially for the company?  Human beings like familiarity, but will always gravitate to what is familiar but better.. Is that not a safer option?

    I think one of the best examples in recent history is MicroSofts MediaCentre. They tried to define a totally new product category and it didn’t necessarily work.  What Sony are doing is taking the PS3 gaming platform and turning it into a Media Centre somehow, which further blends things. But i really feel that there is progress to be made in this area.

    How do you feel when people simply ‘parrot’ tech specs of other manufacturers products that on paper ‘trump’ a B&O product at a quarter of the price?

    We obviously look at this a lot -  then we go out and buy them, bring them back and play with these things.  It’s then you realise that whilst they have all these features, they just don’t seem to work beautifully.. they promise a lot, and when you are used to Bang & Olufsen they just ‘don’t do it’ for you like a B&O product does.   Also, when it comes to cost we cannot be forced into justifying our higher prices by simply throwing more functions at a product – that’s not the idea.  It’s ease of use, build quality and design that we aim for.

     

    With some of the products recently released, BeoWorld’s  members are looking for more and more products that really define what B&O is all about – are there more of these coming that you are involved with?

    Well, there’s a corridor i would love to walk you down to see, but.. (laughs).  To be honest, this is quite a strategic time for us. We need a good portfolio, and perhaps some of the things we have in this portfolio right now don’t quite fit and need to be removed over say the next few years.

    I suppose i am regarded as a little bit of a trouble-maker in the company – i even bagged a seat next to Kalle on the plane home from the last trip so i could ‘bend his ear’ about my various thoughts and issues. I am very passionate about the brand and the company, and even though there are plenty of more ‘conservative’ people, we have plenty of people like me to keep pushing!!

     

    Referring to the conservative people - you could say that the beauty of Bang & Olufsen as a company is that it’s very Danish, but also the downside is that.. it’s very Danish ?!!

    (laughs) Yes, you could say that.  However, i’m very happy that the BeoSound 5 is a ‘crazy mix of buttons and levers’ but has been toned down somewhat.  It’s a really good blend of cultures!  There is absolutely nothing wrong with Bang & Olufsen in terms of innovation etc, but maybe we need to streamline our operation to get products to market faster. However, i think that’s really something to discuss with Kalle!

     

    So – how do you personally see the future of Bang & Olufsen in terms of the product portfolio?

    Well, as we move to more digitally based platforms, we can then concentrate more on what Bang & Olufsen is all about a little more such as materials, user interface, design and concept.  One of the biggest challenges we face is to concentrate not on what we do, but more on what we don’t do.  We really need to ‘cherry pick’ the concepts that are really Bang & Olufsen. 

    That said, there is a massive divide between say 20 year olds and 40 year olds – so we have to be very aware that what is cutting edge to some people is old technology to others!  However, i can say we have some pretty cool stuff coming..

     

    Well Oliver, our interview time is over, so on behalf of BeoWorld – thank you for talking to us!

    You are most welcome!

     

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  • 11-15-2008 12:21 PM In reply to

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    Excellent interview - we need to get him with a few bottles of wine some time clearly! Laughing Very interesting though and I think he made a case for the BS5 very well. We are back to less is more and design and materials being key. This I like as long as the design and materials really do pop my cork. Useless features are just that - useless. My DVD-R has millions and I need the manual to work it. No B&O product should need more than two minutes to get the hang of, and the BS5 does seem to be pretty logical.
  • 11-15-2008 12:26 PM In reply to

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    I am about as underwhelmed by this gentleman as I am by his product.

    I am also left handed so........

    Regards Graham

  • 11-15-2008 12:32 PM In reply to

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    Peter :

    No B&O product should need more than two minutes to get the hang of, and the BS5 does seem to be pretty logical.

    Spot on Peter, I have just come back from using one at my dealers. So simple to use, it did take me about 2 minutes to work out how to use it. Then it took me about an hour to force myself away from it.Laughing

     

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    joeyboygolf:

    I am about as underwhelmed by this gentleman as I am by his product.

    I am also left handed so........

    I'm assuming then that you've met Oliver in person and also seen and used the BeoSound 5 yourself?

    Lee

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  • 11-15-2008 1:18 PM In reply to

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    Interesting read. Thanks for writing this up, Lee. I shall see BeoSound 5 tomorrow!
  • 11-15-2008 1:28 PM In reply to

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    joeyboygolf:

    I am about as underwhelmed by this gentleman as I am by his product.

    I am also left handed so........

    I'm assuming then that you've met Oliver in person and also seen and used the BeoSound 5 yourself?

    Lee

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    I am not forced to agree with you or anyone else. As far as I am aware, this is a forum and members are allowed to voice their opinions, so at the risk of getting yet another smack on the wrist, I will explain.

    I have read that interview over and over and still find myself unable to find anything positive to say about it. Just what is he trying to say?

    You know very well that I have not used the BS5 but to be honest I don't think I ever will. You see, I have no interest whatsoever in downloading music to my computer in any shape or form. The CD will still be around when I am pushing up the daisies and it is the medium that I prefer. The bonus is that they are usually sold in an attractive sleeve!

    Tell me, what do you you do when your hard disk decides to crash. Don't ask to borrow all my CD's. You will have to pay to download again!

    Likewise, Radio 2 or 4 on FM does it for me. Why would I want the clutter of thousands of internet radio stations? What's more, the BBC have a much more reliable service than commercial ISP's or broadband companies judging by my own broadband service!

    So perhaps you can see why, whatever the product is actually like, I am underwhelmed by it. It is just not for me and I suspect that there are still some dinosoars out there who will agree with me. This is not the product to save the stores in the UK nor will it save the company. No way.

    Regards Graham

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    joeyboygolf:

    Likewise, Radio 2 or 4 on FM does it for me.

    Same here. I'm in my early 30s and only really listen to Radio 2. If I want to hear specific music, I'll play something through my collection. I remember a mate was excited that you could listen to many different radio stations in GTA IV. That novelty quickly wore off!

    Internet radio is one of the least appealing modules that the average B&O user would require for their AV equipment.

    I like the design of the BS5 and even the concept. However, whether I'll willing spend £3.6K on a digital media manager, from B&O or anyone else, is the question I need to ask myself. As I've said many times, I might be better off buying a much cheaper Beosound 4 or Beocenter 2, another Airport Express, and link to my existing Apple-based wireless media server.

  • 11-15-2008 4:40 PM In reply to

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    joeyboygolf:

    I am about as underwhelmed by this gentleman as I am by his product.

    I am also left handed so........

    lol, Get this man a drink!

    Where I grew up a 'left-hander' was code for 'bats for the team in pink' - a case of crossed wires I feel, or maybe code to appeal to other 'left-handers' on Beoworld.

    Anyway Mr Golf I thoroughly agree, this flash tat doesn't cut it for me or excite me in any way, it seems like five-year old technology with a lovely - albeit exhorbitantly priced - interface.  Any other manufacturer offers much the same at a fraction of the price with video storage as well.  What's all this stuff about an audio-based product?  B&O may have had a case, IMHO, if it had video storage and a DVD/CD drive but give me a Beosound 9000, Beolab 2 and pair of Beolab 3's anyday.   Am not sure this is going to set the market alight.  I was wrong once before though.

  • 11-15-2008 5:16 PM In reply to

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    The advantage of digital music is that it is all accessible easily. I can select any track or album I want anywhere in my Beolinked house. I do not have to go and get the CD or LP out. I also have a constantly running back up of all files and have the collection burnt to DVD as well (well the classical bit anyway!). The future of music is digital whether we dinosaurs like it or not.

    Now do I think the BS5 is it? No.  Unfortunately I think this is a model from the previous era of management and therefore cannot be used to judge what is to come. I struggle really to see where it will fit in my music system - I have a BC2 which plays the radio  - FM, AM and DAB - as well as both CD and DVDs and I have a Beoport that allows me to play my digital music through the same system. I get a decent display on my BC2 but also two way remote anywhere via my iPod. Having the BS5 is simply like having another computer in the room - which I can also do if I want but of course my laptop can control my music without wires and from anywhere in the house. The BS5 is static and actually quite limited as far as placement options are concerned.

    I can see a place for it, and I do like the interview; but I don't think I will be troubling the scorers on this one. 

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    I really appreciate what was discussed in this interview thanks so much for bringing that to us! I really respect B&O when i read things like this, the idea behind the procucts is always consistent, they are surefooted with their ideas, and yes this may appear to be a disadvantage as they are slow to pick up the latest technology...

     

    but he hit the nail on the head regarding what we consider old technology, in the realistic effects this has on the overall product, use, and ownership.

     

    I love B&o! I'm not like most 20 year olds, i can see past the fact on sheet and don't feel the need to have the latest technology, I JUST WANT TO HAVE WHAT WORKS BEST FOR ME in everyday use! :) 

     

    At the same time i don't feel the need to own a Beosound 5... i'm happy with what i've got... but hell i do WANT a beosound 5! haha 

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    Re: The Oliver Wallington Interview

    Peter :
    Excellent interview - we need to get him with a few bottles of wine some time clearly! Laughing Very interesting though and I think he made a case for the BS5 very well. We are back to less is more and design and materials being key. This I like as long as the design and materials really do pop my cork. Useless features are just that - useless. My DVD-R has millions and I need the manual to work it. No B&O product should need more than two minutes to get the hang of, and the BS5 does seem to be pretty logical.

    I am quite willing to share a "glass or two" with him and then get him to spill his innermost secretsWhistleBig Smile

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    I've said on other threads in this forum that I consider the BS5 to be a "modern day" MCP. If you think of it in that light it almost works, however it is unforgivable that it isn't wireless (and therefore not a "proper" MCP). I'm not convinced by the "power requirement" arguement - a modern laptop can run a full working day on battery power - returning the BS5/MCP to a charging station when not in use isn't a hardship.

    The major problem is that when you do think of it as "only" an MCP then then price looks silly and the design, materials etc. argument becomes very difficult to justify.

    Generally speaking, you aren't learning much if your lips are moving.

  • 11-16-2008 10:09 AM In reply to

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    I think the analogy with an MCP or Beolink 7000 is a good one. In today's money, a Beolink 7000 would cost £960. Now the Beomedia, on which the BM5 is heavily based, is £1500. I think we would agree that the BS5 is a bit more sophisticated than the Beolink 7000 (possibly not in relation to what was available on the market mind you!) so maybe £1500 for the BS5. I believe the combined price of the two is £3500 (please correct me if I am wrong here!) so that means you are paying £500 more for the Beomaster over the Beomedia for a little more disc space (very cheap) and some more plugs. We are losing the portability of the Beolink 7000 of course as well.
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    Peter :
    I think the analogy with an MCP or Beolink 7000 is a good one. In today's money, a Beolink 7000 would cost £960. Now the Beomedia, on which the BM5 is heavily based, is £1500. I think we would agree that the BS5 is a bit more sophisticated than the Beolink 7000 (possibly not in relation to what was available on the market mind you!) so maybe £1500 for the BS5. I believe the combined price of the two is £3500 (please correct me if I am wrong here!) so that means you are paying £500 more for the Beomaster over the Beomedia for a little more disc space (very cheap) and some more plugs. We are losing the portability of the Beolink 7000 of course as well.

    Peter - as generous as alwaysBig Smile I, on the other hand, would be a good bit more agressive with my cost estimates!

    I wish you did the product costing at my place of work - my life would be so much easierWink

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    LMAO oi stop putting is left handers in the same basket as those living in Ely! Big Smile

    Needless to say I'm a right hander, but boy the things people ni Cambridge could tell you about people who live in Ely - need I say more - hehehe Smile

    You know the strange thins about this piece of kit is the more I hear about it and the more I hear the producers wax lyrical about it, the more I actually warm towards it - this worries me - epspecially as at the moment I don't have +/- $15,000 NZD that it'sll probably cost, at a min.

    Oh well, that'll be mroe saving and scrimping for a few years Stick out tongue

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    LMAO oi stop putting is left handers in the same basket as those living in Ely! Big Smile

    Needless to say I'm a right hander, but boy the things people ni Cambridge could tell you about people who live in Ely - need I say more - hehehe Smile

    You know the strange thins about this piece of kit is the more I hear about it and the more I hear the producers wax lyrical about it, the more I actually warm towards it - this worries me - epspecially as at the moment I don't have +/- $15,000 NZD that it'sll probably cost, at a min.

    Oh well, that'll be mroe saving and scrimping for a few years Stick out tongue

    Am I missing something here?

    I'm left handed, have been all my life. I write with my left hand, use a spoon with my left hand and even use a remote with my left hand.

    And.......I happen to live in Ely. So...............what's your point?

    And just what do they say in Cambridge. I don't know but you obviously do and you live in New Zealand?????

    Help me out here will you, I'm getting a persecution complex.

    Regards Graham

  • 11-16-2008 5:34 PM In reply to

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    He is a fairly recent Kiwi I believe!

    I too am left handed - or at least I was. I am of an age where if you were catholic, writing with one's left hand was seen as the work of the Devil and I was made to change. My writing was not improved by this and I was hence forced to enter the medical profession!

    Still bat left handed and fight south paw !

  • 11-17-2008 2:27 AM In reply to

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    did you know , michelangelo and leonardo were BOTH left handed !?

    popgear is grate™

  • 11-17-2008 2:33 AM In reply to

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    Flappo The Grate:
    did you know , michelangelo and leonardo were BOTH left handed !?

    Well there are another two people who would have been alienated by this leftist outrage.  I mean, they make left-hand drive cars for left-handers, why not a Beosound 5?

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    Flappo The Grate:
    did you know , michelangelo and leonardo were BOTH left handed !?

    As were Hendrix and McCartney, in fact most really talented folk are!

    Oh, by the way, I'm a leftie tooLaughing

    Generally speaking, you aren't learning much if your lips are moving.

  • 11-17-2008 6:32 AM In reply to

    • Jandyt
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    Re: The Oliver Wallington Interview

    Not a problem for me, as I'm amphibious.

    Poor me, never win owt!

  • 11-17-2008 6:40 AM In reply to

    Re: The Oliver Wallington Interview

    Jandyt:
    Not a problem for me, as I'm amphibious.

    Does that mean you can swim with both hands? LaughingLaughingLaughing

    -mika

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