if yu think when DVD first come out it was upwards of £20 a disk now you can get tehm for £6 its the same with everything

when / If they are out for a while the prices will drop,

jk1002:

Beocare confirmed that they are working on blueray in their forum.

I don't think the blueray upgrade is such a big deal, it will still -play normal DVDs. Question is how high the price will go up. I doubt they throw that in as freebie.

As for format not taking off, I agree but it can anytime once they lower the price to DVD level which I dont think they would have a problem with. 

 

JK 

 

 

problem is that many blue ray players including the latest pansonics dont show standard dvd that well

jk1002:

Beocare confirmed that they are working on blueray in their forum.

No, they didn't confirm they were 'working on it', they confirmed they were looking in to it and nothing (ie. the results of looking in to it) would be expected for 'about a year'. That was Feb this year. They didn't say "you'll get a Blu-ray drive in your BV7 and we're working on it".

seanklemis:

if yu think when DVD first come out it was upwards of £20 a disk now you can get tehm for £6 its the same with everything

when / If they are out for a while the prices will drop,

Yes, but they have to become popular first! Blu-rays won't drop, unless they become popular. They won't become popular, if they are very expensive compared to SD DVDs. Catch-22 I'm afraid.

moxxey:

Yes, but they have to become popular first! Blu-rays won't drop, unless they become popular. They won't become popular, if they are very expensive compared to SD DVDs. Catch-22 I'm afraid.

 

Moxxey, following your argument nothing will become popular and cheap, even DVDs would still be high in price and unpopular. It's a process, wihich starts slowly. For DVDs it took a couple of years. The end of HD-DVD is a start. So Blu-rays get a bit more popular. From that, the price will drop a bit, which makes them a bit more popular, and so on...

 

msinn:

Moxxey, following your argument nothing will become popular and cheap, even DVDs would still be high in price and unpopular. It's a process, wihich starts slowly. For DVDs it took a couple of years. The end of HD-DVD is a start. So Blu-rays get a bit more popular. From that, the price will drop a bit, which makes them a bit more popular, and so on...

Oh come on. Suppliers dictate pricing and we're paying effectively three times for the same movie. It doesn't cost 3 times to produce a Blu-ray. We don't have 'a couple of years'. If Blu-rays are so expensive, the generaly public won't buy Blu-ray's in the quantity required. Why should they? Are they so freaky you think they are *that* obsessed with picture quality? Really? Forget what you want; think what the average user wants and what they'll spend.

They spend £600 on their TV and a couple of Blu-ray's cost them nearly £40. Hmm.

Indeed, in most situations, demand normally drives UP pricing. Think exclusivity etc.

ok cloverfield on blu-ray = 17.99

http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=-1;12;-1;-1&sku=816042&WT.ac=blu-ray-PBODY-BLU_PRODUCT_COMINGSOON4-816042

same dvd on normal dvd = 11.99

http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=280;-1;-1;-1&sku=787209

they are currently at the price normal dvd's were when they first come out

Doc:

Jez:

Why not just use a PS3, B&O software supports it, PS3 will up grade constantly through it's wireless network without even having to do anything. I'm using BV4 50"/BS3 with software 4.24 and a PS3 that just uploaded to 24fps and couldn't be happier.

Jez,

Your PS3 is uploaded to 24fps? Which sw-version is that (2.36?). Do you have to change any settings on the PS3 to "let the 24fps work" ?

And last but not least: do you see a difference in picturequality ? (= whiteflash is gone / smoother panning?)

I'll find out the software version when i get home but if you go into PS3 settings and go into BlueRay/DVD play back you should find a setting for 24fps support play back and turn support on. Before this set up I had a BV7-40 (first gen) but it looks alot smoother than my brothers set up, he has BS3 with Pioneer 50" Kuros and Pioneer BluRay 24fps player, he has not yet upgraded his BS3 to 4.24 and is getting whiteflashes and lag/jitter on playback.

I do notice a small jitter maybe 2/3 times throughout a movie but i can live with that.

355f:

Jez:

Why not just use a PS3, B&O software supports it, PS3 will up grade constantly through it's wireless network without even having to do anything. I'm using BV4 50"/BS3 with software 4.24 and a PS3 that just uploaded to 24fps and couldn't be happier.

 

are you getting the white flash problem please?

No white flash problem just a small jitter every now and then, maybe 2/3 times a movie. Other than that it's very clean and impressive.

Jez:

Doc:

Jez:

Why not just use a PS3, B&O software supports it, PS3 will up grade constantly through it's wireless network without even having to do anything. I'm using BV4 50"/BS3 with software 4.24 and a PS3 that just uploaded to 24fps and couldn't be happier.

Jez,

Your PS3 is uploaded to 24fps? Which sw-version is that (2.36?). Do you have to change any settings on the PS3 to "let the 24fps work" ?

And last but not least: do you see a difference in picturequality ? (= whiteflash is gone / smoother panning?)

I'll find out the software version when i get home but if you go into PS3 settings and go into BlueRay/DVD play back you should find a setting for 24fps support play back and turn support on. Before this set up I had a BV7-40 (first gen) but it looks alot smoother than my brothers set up, he has BS3 with Pioneer 50" Kuros and Pioneer BluRay 24fps player, he has not yet upgraded his BS3 to 4.24 and is getting whiteflashes and lag/jitter on playback.

I do notice a small jitter maybe 2/3 times throughout a movie but i can live with that.

 

the problem in your brotehrs set up is likely to be the Pioneer BR, regret to say ,all the latest pioneer offerings- ( not including the just released LX71) were so bad that even pioneer gave up on them

Jez:

355f:

Jez:

Why not just use a PS3, B&O software supports it, PS3 will up grade constantly through it's wireless network without even having to do anything. I'm using BV4 50"/BS3 with software 4.24 and a PS3 that just uploaded to 24fps and couldn't be happier.

 

are you getting the white flash problem please?

No white flash problem just a small jitter every now and then, maybe 2/3 times a movie. Other than that it's very clean and impressive.

Do you think this could be the PS3 overheating? it's in a cabinet and the fans go crazy if i leave the door closed.

seanklemis:

they are currently at the price normal dvd's were when they first come out

Correct, but my point was (see page 1) that SD DVDs drop like a stone, price wise, after a couple of months, whereas Blu-rays remain the same. General public aren't stupid in this respect - HMV drop the price of even the most recent blockbuster to around £8 after a couple of months and then 'buy 3 for £20' soon after. Happens all the time.

Anyway, we're getting off topic somewhat. The original poster asked about an internal drive. We'll see what happens.

The rumours got to Germany to: http://forum.beoworld.org/forums/132806/ShowThread.aspx#132806

 

Anyone any news?

 

It seems true! From the german forum:

Hier die offizielle Aussage von B&O:

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Der BeoVision 7-40 Full HD ist Blu-ray-kompatibel! Die Testserie in Struer ist abgeschlossen und war erfolgreich.

Kunden, die sich bereits für einen BeoVision 7-40 Full HD entschieden haben oder noch entscheiden werden, haben somit die Möglichkeit, diesen zu einem späteren Zeitpunkt auf Blu-ray nachrüsten zu lassen. Mit dieser Information können Sie den Kunden heute schon technologische Zukunftssicherheit geben!

Alle Details hierzu inklusive Zeitplan werden in den kommenden Wochen erarbeitet und im Zuge des Partnertreffens mitgeteilt werden.


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msinn:

Moxxey, following your argument nothing will become popular and cheap, even DVDs would still be high in price and unpopular. It's a process, wihich starts slowly. For DVDs it took a couple of years. The end of HD-DVD is a start. So Blu-rays get a bit more popular. From that, the price will drop a bit, which makes them a bit more popular, and so on...

 

Well DVDs did take quite a while to take off. I remember watching a DVD back in 1998 and being amazed at the picture (even though TVs were of no interest to me back then, I was 8). It really took until around 2001-2002 for DVDs to start to become widespread. VHS wasn't dropped until 2006. Heck it was 2003 before DVD actually outsold VHS in the UK.

Alex, don't go back to that old discussion ;)

We'll see what happens. I do know that I have around 30 Blu-ray DVDs and that collection cost on average £15 per Blu-ray. You do the maths ;)

Im delighted that there is some excitement regarding the 'pending arrival' of blue ray for BV7.

What I cant understand, given whats happening in the real world of BR is why!

B&O have to source the drives and presently not one ( excepting the soon to be released pioneer c £1000) does a very good job of upscaling dvds ( the ps3 is as good a compromise as one can get) and only a a few new players are profile 2 compliant. The earlier players have already become obsolete, with slow load times, inability to lay newer discs ect.

Given that B&O are 'slow to adopt' to newer technology if this is going to happen with a proposed price of c£450 that was mentioned earlier and retrofit to!! (why is it in B&O interest to do that!) and how is this BR going to be updated?

Better off sticking with the best player on the market at present , the PS3 than hope that B&O will come out to soon  with BR when major brands have yet to do a good job of it.

This is very good news. I look forward to having our BV7 updated with it.

It really surprises me how many B&O users on this forum are against blu-ray. I have 2 Beocinema setups: one with a Sim 2 projector and another with a Runco projector -- all connected to my Beolink network. I have well over 100 BD movies and BD players connected to each projector. I find that the BD players are essential for maximizing the potential of my B&O equipment. The improvement over SD is remarkable and should be encouraged. I would love to be completely loyal to B&O and have a B&O fully-integrated blu-ray solution. The seamless integration when you connect B&O products together is a big part of what makes B&O so amazing.

I see the need for constant BD firmware updates to be a huge BLESSING.  This will require B&O to provide an internet connection to become BD 2.0 compliant. This internet connection will enable us to update our B&O firmware/software without having a B&O technician make a house-call. This will eliminate those insanely expensive software update fees. Also, an internet connection can add extra benefits such as instantly looking up artist and album information on CDs and show that information in the display. 

Well said Beojeff.  The difference between BluRay and DVD on our BV7 is amazing. The picture quality and the sound are far superior on the BluRay. The first thing I did when we purchased the BV7 and a BluRay player was buy BluRay copies of DVDs we already had so that I could compare the two.

It amazes me how people on this forum like to attack B and O for not having the latest technology and then when they do come out with BluRay, people still complain. 

Razlaw:

Well said Beojeff.  The difference between BluRay and DVD on our BV7 is amazing. The picture quality and the sound are far superior on the BluRay. The first thing I did when we purchased the BV7 and a BluRay player was buy BluRay copies of DVDs we already had so that I could compare the two.

It amazes me how people on this forum like to attack B and O for not having the latest technology and then when they do come out with BluRay, people still complain. 

Firstly, no one is 'attacking' B&O- if you read the post of Beojeff his statements epitomise what is required of blue ray now.

On beo jeffs set up using a projector the differences are of course huge- on a 40" screen- not so and the varied transfer quality does BR no favours.

However, he has stated the prerequisites which are profile 2, and easy update via internet of firmware and good quality upscale of standard dvd.

Gievn that only very few standalone players just out now meet this criteria- ( and of those not one is a good standrad dvd player)what are the chances that by September B&O will have their own version thats compliant- because a player that does not meet these crtirerias is not worth having.

If B&O manage it I suggest its a miracle

beojeff:

It really surprises me how many B&O users on this forum are against blu-ray.

I think you might need to re-read the posts. Who is 'against' Blu-ray? Show me a quote please.

The problem with Blu-ray is exactly the opposite. I'd be over the moon if Blu-ray overtook SD DVDs, but it isn't going to happen. The problem with some people isn't that they are 'against' Blu-ray, it's that there's too much optimism against reality. Sure, we can afford a Blu-ray player and drive. Most average users struggle to pay £500 for a TV, never mind an expensive Blu-ray player and £18 for a Blu-ray DVD.

Step out of your regular B&O expensive shell and look around you, talk to the average customer on the street. In Summer 2008 they want to spend as *little* as possible.

beojeff:

It really surprises me how many B&O users on this forum are against blu-ray. I have 2 Beocinema setups: one with a Sim 2 projector and another with a Runco projector -- all connected to my Beolink network. I have well over 100 BD movies and BD players connected to each projector. I find that the BD players are essential for maximizing the potential of my B&O equipment. The improvement over SD is remarkable and should be encouraged. I would love to be completely loyal to B&O and have a B&O fully-integrated blu-ray solution. The seamless integration when you connect B&O products together is a big part of what makes B&O so amazing.

I see the need for constant BD firmware updates to be a huge BLESSING.  This will require B&O to provide an internet connection to become BD 2.0 compliant. This internet connection will enable us to update our B&O firmware/software without having a B&O technician make a house-call. This will eliminate those insanely expensive software update fees. Also, an internet connection can add extra benefits such as instantly looking up artist and album information on CDs and show that information in the display. 

This is presupposing that the SD replay capability of the BD player will be the equal of the current integrated SD player,and that B & O will make available for download firmware updates for a BD player.

Why does B & O not release a stand alone BD player,which would provide the required system integration,and allow superior SD replay on the existing inbuilt player?

355f:

Razlaw:

Well said Beojeff.  The difference between BluRay and DVD on our BV7 is amazing. The picture quality and the sound are far superior on the BluRay. The first thing I did when we purchased the BV7 and a BluRay player was buy BluRay copies of DVDs we already had so that I could compare the two.

It amazes me how people on this forum like to attack B and O for not having the latest technology and then when they do come out with BluRay, people still complain. 

Firstly, no one is 'attacking' B&O- if you read the post of Beojeff his statements epitomise what is required of blue ray now.

On beo jeffs set up using a projector the differences are of course huge- on a 40" screen- not so and the varied transfer quality does BR no favours.

However, he has stated the prerequisites which are profile 2, and easy update via internet of firmware and good quality upscale of standard dvd.

Gievn that only very few standalone players just out now meet this criteria- ( and of those not one is a good standrad dvd player)what are the chances that by September B&O will have their own version thats compliant- because a player that does not meet these crtirerias is not worth having.

If B&O manage it I suggest its a miracle

 

First, the difference between BluRay and DVD  is huge on a 40 inch screen. Please re-read my post. I have compared the picture quality of the same movie, DVD to BluRay on the BV7 and there is quite simply no comparison. Also, remember, sound quality of BluRay is also far improved over DVD. I was skeptic about BluRay until I saw it on the BV7. I really have no desire to watch or buy any more DVDs. 

Secondly, comments indicating you can not understand why people are excited about a B and O BluRay and comments indicating that it will be a "miracle" if B and O releases a BluRay player that meets your personal demands and requirements, to me is attacking B and O, and if that is too strong of a word, there is no doubt that the comments are highly critical.

Razlaw:

355f:

Razlaw:

Well said Beojeff.  The difference between BluRay and DVD on our BV7 is amazing. The picture quality and the sound are far superior on the BluRay. The first thing I did when we purchased the BV7 and a BluRay player was buy BluRay copies of DVDs we already had so that I could compare the two.

It amazes me how people on this forum like to attack B and O for not having the latest technology and then when they do come out with BluRay, people still complain. 

Firstly, no one is 'attacking' B&O- if you read the post of Beojeff his statements epitomise what is required of blue ray now.

On beo jeffs set up using a projector the differences are of course huge- on a 40" screen- not so and the varied transfer quality does BR no favours.

However, he has stated the prerequisites which are profile 2, and easy update via internet of firmware and good quality upscale of standard dvd.

Gievn that only very few standalone players just out now meet this criteria- ( and of those not one is a good standrad dvd player)what are the chances that by September B&O will have their own version thats compliant- because a player that does not meet these crtirerias is not worth having.

If B&O manage it I suggest its a miracle

 

First, the difference between BluRay and DVD  is huge on a 40 inch screen. Please re-read my post. I have compared the picture quality of the same movie, DVD to BluRay on the BV7 and there is quite simply no comparison. Also, remember, sound quality of BluRay is also far improved over DVD. I was skeptic about BluRay until I saw it on the BV7. I really have no desire to watch or buy any more DVDs. 

Secondly, comments indicating you can not understand why people are excited about a B and O BluRay and comments indicating that it will be a "miracle" if B and O releases a BluRay player that meets your personal demands and requirements, to me is attacking B and O, and if that is too strong of a word, there is no doubt that the comments are highly critical.

 

It depends rather what BR disc one is watching , there is a limited number where th SD to BR compariosn is quite marked - bot on many discs this is not that case, there is a good evaluation of BR movies I can send only 25% are considered value.- on  a few there is a difference but on a 40 in screen its not huge by comparison with a projector or a larger screen. In independant tests this has been confirmed over and over again and depends on viewing distance ect. This is why sales of blue ray are dissapointing.

There is no 'attack ' to B&O' . There is simply no stand alone player out there that truly offers profile 2, internet firmware updates and good quality SD playback- Only the forthcoming pioneer player that costs £1.5K show promise that it might.The panasonic BD30/50 have dissapointing SD quality, although both will output MA but with the BS3 thats no use.........

Given the rumours  that it can be retrofitted and cost about £400- .B&O will not for sure have a player that is truly profile 2 compliant- lets face it they cant even get the software right for their own product thats been out for quite some time- so what are tha chances of them being'leading edge on profile 2 BR and even retrofitable.

Its not being critical, or the ridiculous notion that it 'meets my personal demands and requirements!!!  its called realism! and what the product REQUIRES to be worthwhile-  now if one talks about sound quality one should seriously consider MA but as the BS3 is not compliant to that either you willnot be able to appreciate the huge sound improvement that comes with it. I have the BS3 and its unlikely that an update is retrofitable- and so it is with BR . If B&O do come out with it im afrdi to say it will be an interim effort until the real thing arrives and I suspect that will be in 1 year.