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  • 05-06-2008 10:27 AM In reply to

    Re: B&O TV Why?

    My 2 cents worth...

     

    Can I afford a B and O tv? Yes. Do I think they are beautiful -yes. Am i going to buy one? NO. Not worth it for the money and quite frankly I believe the Pioneer Kuros plasma HDTV is simply better than anything I have seen. That paired with some Beolab 5 will be great.

    I can then, for the cost of a bno tv upgrade about 5 times before I have spent the same money.

    Speakers on the other hand are a more "stable technology".

    Cheers

  • 05-06-2008 10:31 AM In reply to

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    Re: B&O TV Why?

    TerryM:

    beobeo,

              your analysis may well be valid for existing owners,but surely any manufacturer must attract new buyers of it's products if it is to prosper/survive.

    I have raised before the question of why B & O does not devote part of it's attention to making it's products easier to integrate with third party products eg BS3 with a Pioneer Kuro TVs.

    How many potential buyers are being lost to B & O because of it's insistance on severely restricting integration possibilities?

    TerryM;

    You are raising a valid point, however one can turn it around. How many Bevisions would B&O sell should BS3 was easily integrable with most existing flat panels? The day that happens probably B&O will become a loudspeaker only company. It's well known that TVs are what make B&O dealers survive. That's simply because a Beovision is an integration center. A lot of people buys a TV first and once they discover the link capabilities they start purchasing beolabs, etc.

    I guess some financial guys made this assessment at B&O therefore charging such surpluses on BS3 and BVs. I'm not saying that's the best approach but I can understand that from dealer sustainability perspective is probably the way to go, at least while they reinvent the Mind Reading Beogram.Erm

    Gustavo

  • 05-06-2008 10:48 AM In reply to

    Re: B&O TV Why?

    The technology may be changing rapidly, but if people are still happy viewing MX's and Avants 10 - 20 years on, why not the 6-26's and the 7-32's?

    In my opinion the picture quality of the current range is outstanding - what improvements are we to expect other than small incremental benefits.

    Reminds me of the hype and constant upgrading in the vinyl days!

  • 05-06-2008 10:49 AM In reply to

    Re: B&O TV Why?

    It's sometimes odd to me to contrast the opinions of those who frequent this board with my clients. The views could not be more diametrically opposed! I suppose the one factor we need to look at is the general makeup of people who frequent web boards. I don't mean to inflict harm on anyone's pride, but you are not our target market!

    The considerations we take in designing and building our products run contrary to many (if not most) of the demands leveled on these boards. Our televisions, nor any of our other products, will be buckets to fill with features. Croon all you want about Pioneer. They went bust when we were turning a profit. Now they buy their panels from Panasonic just like we do. Welcome to the family!

    If you don't see a difference, god bless! Move along. We are for the privailaged 2-3% of the world population that worked hard AND made money, AND developed taste. Plenty of people, as has been noted in many people's arguments, are rich enough to buy our products, very few have the faintest notion as to how to live well. We want nothing to do with them. We will seek out our clientele and we will convert people who are weary of creaky boxes with 10 remotes and no personalityt, but we will never allow the small minded demands of the mass market grade consumer who just happens to have pockets bulging with money to dictate how we build our products. There's no sense in constantly looking at one another, shaking our heads, and saying, "he just doesn't get it."

    I'm coming as much from my personal point of view as that of a retailer. I may not work for Bang & Olufsen forever, but I will never buy another television so long as Bang & Olufsen continues to produce what I'm looking for. I so dislike other panels that I would not accept one free of charge.

    After the umptillionth thread arguing over whether this or that product is worth it, with the same cast of characters throwing the bricks, I'm astonished that you don't find another hobby!   

    There is scarcely anything in this world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little more cheaply. The person who buys on price alone is this man's lawful prey. - John Ruskin

  • 05-06-2008 10:55 AM In reply to

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    Re: B&O TV Why?

    so reg'ing the comment about people complaining because the b&o tv's are financially out of reach: i say: highly unlikely -we are not STUPID - just how much money is
    someone willing to dispose of every +/- 6 months as the tech advances... (would YOU rather spend the mentioned $949 usd or $9494 usd?)

    This statement is only valid if you want to be always at the latest of the latest. You may argue that paying 10,000 USD should give you a few years future proof product and you are probably right because it's your money at the end. But no vendor can guarantee such future proffness. In Europe we pay 10,000 euro for the BV7, and they are being sold still...

    On the other hand there are many customers who simply doesn't care for having the very latest all the time. That's probably the typical B&O buyer (we are not one of those). An example of the typical customer is this: I've seen my dealer selling an HD ready BV7-40's when the full HD was already being delivered. He sold the TV at the list price. And the customer was happy. He was OK with the TV. This same dealer bought back my 7 year old BV3 (no dolby module) at 1.500 euro on the purchase of a pair of BL9s. Can Sony or Pioneer offer this kind of deal? Not in ages probably.

    Gustavo

  • 05-06-2008 10:59 AM In reply to

    Re: B&O TV Why?

    Mmmmm, i dont think any Beovision can win a "panasonic costs £800 , B&O costs £8000" type discussion.

    Yes the Pioneers, Sonys and Panasonics can offer cheaper a tv but thats all they are - TVs. If thats ALL you want then by all means buy a Sony.

    Beovisions are (in my opinion) works of art, the Beovision 5 is my favourite , when i first saw that i thought WOW, i think i read that it was inspired by paintings seen leaning on a wall.

    Thing is all the Sonys , Pioneers and others will become out of date and will leave you no real reason to keep them , the beovisions will also become out of date but you may not care because the TV itself is so beautiful , even when switched off.

    Doomlordis Scottish B&O Fan , Father , Husband.
  • 05-06-2008 11:12 AM In reply to

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    Re: B&O TV Why?

    TripEnglish:

     Plenty of people, as has been noted in many people's arguments, are rich enough to buy our products, very few have the faintest notion as to how to live well. We want nothing to do with them.

    Surprise I'm very happy to state here on this forum that this comment in no way, shape or form represents my own personal view!  

    Generally speaking, you aren't learning much if your lips are moving.

  • 05-06-2008 11:31 AM In reply to

    Re: B&O TV Why?

    TripEnglish:

    If you don't see a difference, god bless! Move along. We are for the privailaged 2-3% of the world population that worked hard AND made money, AND developed taste. Plenty of people, as has been noted in many people's arguments, are rich enough to buy our products, very few have the faintest notion as to how to live well. We want nothing to do with them. We will seek out our clientele and we will convert people who are weary of creaky boxes with 10 remotes and no personalityt, but we will never allow the small minded demands of the mass market grade consumer who just happens to have pockets bulging with money to dictate how we build our products. There's no sense in constantly looking at one another, shaking our heads, and saying, "he just doesn't get it."



    these types of comments coming from the dealer level makes one wonder why b&o is struggling...

    your opinion is dooming.

    regardless of these pro/con discussions -never forget, that b&o is in business to make money.

    • B&o bottle opener
  • 05-06-2008 11:55 AM In reply to

    Re: B&O TV Why?

    Burantek, we do make money. You're thinking of Pioneer.

    There is scarcely anything in this world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little more cheaply. The person who buys on price alone is this man's lawful prey. - John Ruskin

  • 05-06-2008 11:57 AM In reply to

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    Re: B&O TV Why?

    TripEnglish:

     but you are not our target market!

     Move along. We are for the privailaged 2-3% of the world population that worked hard AND made money, AND developed taste.

    We want nothing to do with them.

     I'm astonished that you don't find another hobby!   

    Trip, as a rule, I try not to get involved with threads such as these, but feel I must make an exceptoin with this one
     I highly value your contribution to Beoworld, and enjoy reading your posts, but I do think this one was a bit opinionated.
    I am so glad my dealer (King Street) doesn't feel the same way as you. I am cordially greeted with a warm handshake even if I just want to buy a 'phone cable or an aerial.
    Incidentally, my bank balance hovers around the zero mark most of the time.
    Please don't be offended, it's just my point of view.

    Andy T.

    Poor me, never win owt!

  • 05-06-2008 12:10 PM In reply to

    Re: B&O TV Why?

    TripEnglish:

    It's sometimes odd to me to contrast the opinions of those who frequent this board with my clients. The views could not be more diametrically opposed! I suppose the one factor we need to look at is the general makeup of people who frequent web boards. I don't mean to inflict harm on anyone's pride, but you are not our target market!

    The considerations we take in designing and building our products run contrary to many (if not most) of the demands leveled on these boards. Our televisions, nor any of our other products, will be buckets to fill with features. Croon all you want about Pioneer. They went bust when we were turning a profit. Now they buy their panels from Panasonic just like we do. Welcome to the family!

    If you don't see a difference, god bless! Move along. We are for the privailaged 2-3% of the world population that worked hard AND made money, AND developed taste. Plenty of people, as has been noted in many people's arguments, are rich enough to buy our products, very few have the faintest notion as to how to live well. We want nothing to do with them. We will seek out our clientele and we will convert people who are weary of creaky boxes with 10 remotes and no personalityt, but we will never allow the small minded demands of the mass market grade consumer who just happens to have pockets bulging with money to dictate how we build our products. There's no sense in constantly looking at one another, shaking our heads, and saying, "he just doesn't get it."

    I'm coming as much from my personal point of view as that of a retailer. I may not work for Bang & Olufsen forever, but I will never buy another television so long as Bang & Olufsen continues to produce what I'm looking for. I so dislike other panels that I would not accept one free of charge.

    After the umptillionth thread arguing over whether this or that product is worth it, with the same cast of characters throwing the bricks, I'm astonished that you don't find another hobby!   

     

    unlike you , i seem to have been 'privileged' with a spell checker 

    seriously , what are you on , pal ? 

    your condescending attitude really is pretty bloomin' outrageous 

    have you ever visited the real world ? i and quite a few posters on here could probably buy and sell you , but you have this notion you're above us plebs , just because you manage to flog some overpriced outdated junk to people with more money than sense

    pathetic , really 

    and the mere fact you actually openly admit to being a dealer says it all

    i'm embarrassed for you , unless this is is your idea of a joke

    this has to be a joke , right ? 

    or maybe it's a troll

     

    either way , it's painful to behold 

    popgear is grate™

  • 05-06-2008 12:12 PM In reply to

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    Re: B&O TV Why?

    TripEnglish:

    It's sometimes odd to me to contrast the opinions of those who frequent this board with my clients. The views could not be more diametrically opposed! I suppose the one factor we need to look at is the general makeup of people who frequent web boards. I don't mean to inflict harm on anyone's pride, but you are not our target market!

    The considerations we take in designing and building our products run contrary to many (if not most) of the demands leveled on these boards. Our televisions, nor any of our other products, will be buckets to fill with features. Croon all you want about Pioneer. They went bust when we were turning a profit. Now they buy their panels from Panasonic just like we do. Welcome to the family!

    If you don't see a difference, god bless! Move along. We are for the privailaged 2-3% of the world population that worked hard AND made money, AND developed taste. Plenty of people, as has been noted in many people's arguments, are rich enough to buy our products, very few have the faintest notion as to how to live well. We want nothing to do with them. We will seek out our clientele and we will convert people who are weary of creaky boxes with 10 remotes and no personalityt, but we will never allow the small minded demands of the mass market grade consumer who just happens to have pockets bulging with money to dictate how we build our products. There's no sense in constantly looking at one another, shaking our heads, and saying, "he just doesn't get it."

    I'm coming as much from my personal point of view as that of a retailer. I may not work for Bang & Olufsen forever, but I will never buy another television so long as Bang & Olufsen continues to produce what I'm looking for. I so dislike other panels that I would not accept one free of charge.

    After the umptillionth thread arguing over whether this or that product is worth it, with the same cast of characters throwing the bricks, I'm astonished that you don't find another hobby!   

     

    Firstly, how can the views on here be very opposed to individuals in the real world?? when the sales of B&O have collapsed and they will be in loss next year- and there is no stopping it- pending some changes that will make you change your tune!

    For your information Pioneer never went bust at all they still produce the best plasma and they have decided to join a consortium that will make the screens alone to save some of the huge development costs they made in plasma- you cant compare that to Bn0 that rebage the panasonic screen, place a n aluminium frame on it and charge FOUR times the price! and pioneer technology I can assure you is light years from the BV4!

    Im amazed that individuals keep on about this 10 remote argument when there are so many great programables out there - that make the beo 5 look- well a joke im afraid.

    The fact is in the test I have undertaken with individuals in this busienss they do NOT vote for BV4 as being the best product.

    Im sure there are still a few barking millionaires out there buying BV4/9 but im afraid most just 'dont get B&O screens  anymore.The views within one year you have will change dramatically. The dealers beleive the mantra that B&O marketing has pushed out but you can foool some of the people - some of the time! as many dealers in the UK start to close their doors- still believing they sell the ultimate product with thebest picture quality to discerning individuals!!

  • 05-06-2008 12:18 PM In reply to

    Re: B&O TV Why?

    TripEnglish:

     I don't mean to inflict harm on anyone's pride, but you are not our target market!

    I am definitely not your target market.  Trip, I think you should give it a rest. 

    Beosound 5 BL9 BC2 BL8000 Beovision 7 BL6002  BL11 

     

  • 05-06-2008 12:28 PM In reply to

    Re: B&O TV Why?

    Guys, remember, we're on a forum. I would imagine that we're all here because we like a little debate. As for my comments, if I've offended you, I apologize, but I won't back down from my core assertion one bit, that Bang & Olufsen clients' values are not generally reflected on these boards, no matter how interesting our discussions are (and they are really enjoyable!).

    I say to you guys what I say to my clients, which is that we're not for everyone. Once that's out of the way we can have some really interesting discussions and figure out what's important. Sometimes I sell loudspeakers to go with other systems, or screens to mix with other AV recievers, etc. but I never back down from my belief that we offer the best solution for a certain type of client. If you're the type of person who needs the latest and the greatest and will fall out of love with your possessions as soon as version 2.0 comes along, then don't buy with us! I'd feel terrible selling to someone who I genuinely thought would feel 'used' when we ultimately release an upgrade. I council clients all the time to mix and match according to their comfort level and "tolerance for risk."

    What's great is that such diversity exists. If you are an early adopter who loves the thrill of the latest gadget in your hands, that's not bad, just different! The point is that not every brand in the world needs to follow that business model to be successful. I'm the type of person who buys something based on how much I'll like it when it isn't new any more because I know I won't be back at the electronics shop every few months whipping out my credit card because someone made a television 3cm thinner.

    It's a bit disheartening that the brick tossing and flame throwing is better tolerated on this board than passionate defense and advocacy.

    And Flappo, I'll make sure to run spell check for those with difficulty reading.

    There is scarcely anything in this world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little more cheaply. The person who buys on price alone is this man's lawful prey. - John Ruskin

  • 05-06-2008 12:29 PM In reply to

    Re: B&O TV Why?

    i have no problem reading english , i just have a problem with gibberish

    which you seem to specialise in 

    popgear is grate™

  • 05-06-2008 12:40 PM In reply to

    Re: B&O TV Why?

    355f,

    The whole world is in a bit of peril (in case you haven't looked into the real worldWink) So falling profit projections are pretty much universal in fiscal 2008. Whether or not we'll run a loss, I don't think we really know that yet. I have a few new screens on pre-order and the rest of our video business is also up. In general, we continue to post increased profit over last year and I see no signs of slowing down.

    You have to realize though that I'm not as interested in criticizing Pioneer or anyone else as I am in defending our products. I work for B&O because I can't find a better alternative anywhere in the industry. Our existing customers love us and we're welcoming more people in from out of the rat race every day.

    It goes beyond Pioneer versus B&O to why someone would wallow so heavily in their discontent with something without just pulling the plug and not involving themselves in it anymore. I don't frequent any other forums so I don't know if I went to, say the BMW web forum whether there would be people calling the 5 series rubbish and how they don't compare to something in a Toyota or something. It's just odd as I would have guessed that most people would be here out of some measure of affection for Bang & Olufsen.

    There is scarcely anything in this world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little more cheaply. The person who buys on price alone is this man's lawful prey. - John Ruskin

  • 05-06-2008 12:42 PM In reply to

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    Re: B&O TV Why?

    TripEnglish:

    Guys, remember, we're on a forum. I would imagine that we're all here because we like a little debate. As for my comments, if I've offended you, I apologize, but I won't back down from my core assertion one bit, that Bang & Olufsen clients' values are not generally reflected on these boards, no matter how interesting our discussions are (and they are really enjoyable!).

    I say to you guys what I say to my clients, which is that we're not for everyone. Once that's out of the way we can have some really interesting discussions and figure out what's important. Sometimes I sell loudspeakers to go with other systems, or screens to mix with other AV recievers, etc. but I never back down from my belief that we offer the best solution for a certain type of client. If you're the type of person who needs the latest and the greatest and will fall out of love with your possessions as soon as version 2.0 comes along, then don't buy with us! I'd feel terrible selling to someone who I genuinely thought would feel 'used' when we ultimately release an upgrade. I council clients all the time to mix and match according to their comfort level and "tolerance for risk."

    What's great is that such diversity exists. If you are an early adopter who loves the thrill of the latest gadget in your hands, that's not bad, just different! The point is that not every brand in the world needs to follow that business model to be successful. I'm the type of person who buys something based on how much I'll like it when it isn't new any more because I know I won't be back at the electronics shop every few months whipping out my credit card because someone made a television 3cm thinner.

    It's a bit disheartening that the brick tossing and flame throwing is better tolerated on this board than passionate defense and advocacy.

    And Flappo, I'll make sure to run spell check for those with difficulty reading.

    What business model is B&O now following to be a success please!??

  • 05-06-2008 12:42 PM In reply to

    Re: B&O TV Why?

    Flappo,

    We generally like to capitalize the first word of a sentence as well as the pronoun "I." We also end our sentences with punctuation of some sort. I can send you a copy of Strunk & White's if you'd like.

    I'm just looking out for your best interest.

    There is scarcely anything in this world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little more cheaply. The person who buys on price alone is this man's lawful prey. - John Ruskin

  • 05-06-2008 12:46 PM In reply to

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    TripEnglish:

    If you don't see a difference, god bless! Move along. We are for the privailaged 2-3% of the world population that worked hard AND made money, AND developed taste. Plenty of people, as has been noted in many people's arguments, are rich enough to buy our products, very few have the faintest notion as to how to live well. We want nothing to do with them. We will seek out our clientele and we will convert people who are weary of creaky boxes with 10 remotes and no personalityt, but we will never allow the small minded demands of the mass market grade consumer who just happens to have pockets bulging with money to dictate how we build our products. There's no sense in constantly looking at one another, shaking our heads, and saying, "he just doesn't get it."

    I find this statement offensive.
    It's quite amusing to observe the "psychology" of the premium brand market, where a number of those who cater to it apparently think it is a stepladder for elevating themselves to the rarified strate they wish they belonged to. Luxury has moved on, and is now much more a matter of quality of living and true enjoyment of what life can bring, rather than the "look what I just bought" modus.

    I'm also puzzled by the comment "small minded demands of the mass market grade consumer who just happens to have pockets bulging with money to dictate how we build our products." It would be a rare purveyor of premium goods who scoffed at potential customers with pockets bulging, particularly in these times. And while the customer may not always be right, there's little doubt as to who wields power in a seller/buyer relationship, at least if you wish to remain in business.

    Your intent is probably good Trip, but you're not doing the brand a favour, I fear. 

    Go to the official forum and read the long thread about dealership experiences, which I now suspect has been subjected to some housekeeping, but which still contains a lot of thorough horror stories. I've been following it for a number of years - and the accounts of people who were treated horribly by dealers who decided up front that the person in front of them was not a "proper" B&O customer are legion. Worth thinking about. 

  • 05-06-2008 12:54 PM In reply to

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    it's my style / schtick™ etc , i may lack the odd capital , but i like to think i'm capable of coherent thought and the odd dash of imagination

     not that you'd know much aboot that , being a typical internet lemming lacking anything even remotely approaching originality

     what IS amusing is you thinking you can take me on :) ( i can see this thread being locked soon - my post/s being deleted ) u

     the last one was simple simon aka the moronic man - look at what happened to him ( ask peter )

    he has a lot in common with you , an arrogant out of touch **** that for some utterly bizarre reason which is entirely unfathomable by one and all thinks he's superior to others purely through his choice of audio visual entertainment equipment

    and the ultimate joke is that you're a dealer

    let's just say , i'm glad you ain't my dealer , sunshine !

    :)

    my dealer is actually bno knightsbridge , the one the last ceo opened as it's flagship store in the uk 

    so much for us inferior plebs , eh ? :D 

    come on , kiddo , this is fun !!

    popgear is grate™

  • 05-06-2008 12:55 PM In reply to

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    it worked for e.e. cummings

    If you're on the topic of personal style in spelling, punctuation and sentence scan you've got a long way to go, Flappo!

     

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  • 05-06-2008 1:01 PM In reply to

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    ee is something t aspire tae , that's fo sho

    i'm just glad i'm not from the streets and all gangsta mofo

     ..

    etc etc 

    popgear is grate™

  • 05-06-2008 1:10 PM In reply to

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    I hear you Soundproof. It's difficult, at least for me, to come off as passionately as I feel about these things and not sound condescending. Since I'm not in the habit of adding emoticons, I fear the effect is only compounded. 

    I feel like a broken record to some extent. Our core clientele would be averse to the idea of our company suddenly beginning to respond to the pace of the market. It's simply how we do things. I remember hearing someone compare us to custom cabinetry in as much as it's a huge expense and you either get it or you don't. It's not meant to me a value judgement, just a fact. I'm a custom cabinetry guy. It's just how I am. I simply have more stringent and in some cases simply a different set of demands.

     

    What I meant by the small minded demands comment (jeez, I feel like Barak Obama over here!) we essentially that the electronics market has driven customers nuts with how often and arbitrarily they change things. Add onto that the feeling of entitlement that consumers feel when companies bend over backwards to meet customers demands instead of perhaps suggesting a better way. My degrees, as I've mentioned before are in interface design and psychology and my background has informed my belief that you have to advocate for your end-user more than listen to them. One of my favorite quotes is that if Henry Ford had asked people what they wanted, he would have built a faster horse. 

    The point is that Bang & Olufsen presents a different way to live with your electronics and it's one that a big enough swath of people find attractive to keep them in business. Bang & OIufsen makes choices based on their wide view and expertise and not on knee-jerk reactions to an extra flat screen or super-high contrast ratios, or the yet to materialize multi-channel audio revolution. They simplify things so that people don't have to be audio/video experts to get phenomenal experiences and get to enjoy their purchases on many more levels than other electronics would allow.

    I appreciate your giving me the benefit of the doubt SP, I really enjoy the dialog.

    Cheers! 

    There is scarcely anything in this world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little more cheaply. The person who buys on price alone is this man's lawful prey. - John Ruskin

  • 05-06-2008 1:12 PM In reply to

    Re: B&O TV Why?

    I love Cummings! I'm having one of his poems read at my wedding. (anyone lived in a pretty how town)

    I don't think I'll start posting in the Cummings style, though. 

    There is scarcely anything in this world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little more cheaply. The person who buys on price alone is this man's lawful prey. - John Ruskin

  • 05-06-2008 1:15 PM In reply to

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    Re: B&O TV Why?

    TripEnglish:

    355f,

    The whole world is in a bit of peril (in case you haven't looked into the real worldWink) So falling profit projections are pretty much universal in fiscal 2008. Whether or not we'll run a loss, I don't think we really know that yet. I have a few new screens on pre-order and the rest of our video business is also up. In general, we continue to post increased profit over last year and I see no signs of slowing down.

    You have to realize though that I'm not as interested in criticizing Pioneer or anyone else as I am in defending our products. I work for B&O because I can't find a better alternative anywhere in the industry. Our existing customers love us and we're welcoming more people in from out of the rat race every day.

    It goes beyond Pioneer versus B&O to why someone would wallow so heavily in their discontent with something without just pulling the plug and not involving themselves in it anymore. I don't frequent any other forums so I don't know if I went to, say the BMW web forum whether there would be people calling the 5 series rubbish and how they don't compare to something in a Toyota or something. It's just odd as I would have guessed that most people would be here out of some measure of affection for Bang & Olufsen.

    Well i dont look in the real world of course! if you dont know the profit/loss scenario you will in a few months! Falling profit projections maybe the norm in 2008 but for most audio companies things have not taken the dramatic downturn that has beset B&O and that is the problem.

    Im delighted your business continues to prosper you should sell your unique business model back to B&O so they can replicate it amoungst their other dealers. The B&O response in recent times has been to appoint business  troubleshooters to aid all the ailing operations who cant pay B&O or are going bust- they should learn from you! perhaps you should try a reverse franchise idea.

    Whilst i appreciate that your motives are good you do have a habit of making comments that are not supportable and when questioned  never respond and and provide any support to your statements- of course you cant because they are dreamt up on a psychiatrists couch! 

    I have a measure of affection for B&O- I have bought all of it over the years but  but having done so i find myself frustrated at some of the later products, the lack of value and technology and rather poor performance in some fields even when comparing to basic brands ;

    the fact that my frame might be made out of milled alluminium does not mitigate my feelings of dissatisfaction and find it a great shame that many of my associates that were supporters of the brand in the bs9000 days will no longer consider it- they consider the pricing to be obscene- and yes they are extremely wealthy! existing customers are being LOST not won over!

    Your posts indicate that B&O make the right products and the price is justified. If this is so and for 1 minute we assume your right then 60% of dealers will have to close- and I can assure you that BnO will make suitable changes to stop that decline.

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