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  • 03-28-2008 7:06 PM

    • Beolab1
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    Connection challenge Beosystem 7000!!!

     

    I need a Beoworld expert opinion!

    I had the chance to buy a mint condition Beosystem 7000 complete with Beogram 7000 and I couldn't resist. Everything works perfectly and it is now test playing through two Beolab 6000, connected to the powerlink sockets of the Beomaster 7000. 

    Here comes the challenge: I want to connect the whole Beosystem 7000 via the AUX of my BeoSound 9000 which is linked to a Beovision 7-40 with four Beolab speakers. I just want to be able to listen to the components of the Beosystem 7000.

    Since all the above mentioned equipment is in the same room, I have set the Beosystem 7000 in option 0, so it will ignore Beo4 signals when operating the BeoSound 9000 or Beovision 7-40. I first connected a 7-DIN and later a 5-DIN plug from the TV/AUX  on the Beosystem 7000 to the AUX on the BeoSound 9000.  When I switch on the BeoSound 9000 by pressing AUX on the control panel and play any component of the Beosystem 7000, nothing happens.

    The strange thing is though that when i pull out the DIN plug from the Beomaster 7000 and just put it in slightly, I can hear music through my Beolab speakers that are connected to the Beovision 7-40. I have also tried putting the DIN plug in the Line IN/OUT socket of the Beosystem 7000 after taking out the white cap that covers it. Again nothing happened. Any suggestions regarding this brain breaker would be most welcome. Thanks in advance!

  • 03-28-2008 7:37 PM In reply to

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    Re: Connection challenge Beosystem 7000!!!

    This isn't actually going to work very well. In order to get the BeoSystem 7000 to play over AUX, you're going to need to issue an AV RADIO or similar command, to get the audio over the AUX port. That's not doable via front-panel buttons, and you can't have it respond to the remote because of the conflict with the BS9000.

    My suggestion would be to place either the BS9000 or the 7000 system in another room. You can for example have the BS7000 and the BeoVision 7 connected together with a BeoLink adaptor, as long as the 9000 is taken out of the loop.

    Alternatively if it's only the BeoGram 7000 you are interested in, just connect that via the AUX on the 9000 and optionally use Ridax' adaptor to control it.

  • 03-28-2008 7:45 PM In reply to

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    Re: Connection challenge Beosystem 7000!!!

    I think you may need a Beolink converter as the 9000 and the BV 7 are Masterlink, but the 7000 system  is Master control Link.
    Also you are going to find problems with conflicting commands. For example,pressing CD, which CD would you expect to come on? There may be a way round this but I'm not sure, perhaps using one as a link.

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  • 03-29-2008 2:05 AM In reply to

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    Re: Connection challenge Beosystem 7000!!!

    PL212:
    This isn't actually going to work very well. In order to get the BeoSystem 7000 to play over AUX, you're going to need to issue an AV RADIO or similar command, to get the audio over the AUX port. That's not doable via front-panel buttons, and you can't have it respond to the remote because of the conflict with the BS9000.

    My suggestion would be to place either the BS9000 or the 7000 system in another room. You can for example have the BS7000 and the BeoVision 7 connected together with a BeoLink adaptor, as long as the 9000 is taken out of the loop.

    Alternatively if it's only the BeoGram 7000 you are interested in, just connect that via the AUX on the 9000 and optionally use Ridax' adaptor to control it.

    I switched the Beosystem 7000 back to option 1 by using a Beo4 with a transmission limiter cap on it that B&O uses in shops. I can now control the Beosystem 7000 without the other equipment in the room reacting. I tried using AV CD to get the signal over the TV/AUX port but that doesn't work. What command should I ad to the Beo4 to get this working 

  • 03-29-2008 3:49 AM In reply to

    Re: Connection challenge Beosystem 7000!!!

    This does seem frightfully complicated but I wonder if AV A,Aux might be what is required. I confess to never having tried this but logically that should select the Aux socket on the BS9000.
  • 03-29-2008 4:18 AM In reply to

    Re: Connection challenge Beosystem 7000!!!

    Peter :
    This does seem frightfully complicated but I wonder if AV A,Aux might be what is required. I confess to never having tried this but logically that should select the Aux socket on the BS9000.

    Hi  Peter - that would work, but I think its the 7000 not sending signal, rather than the 9000 not opening its Aux socket.  The master 7000 is clever enough to know not to send a signal out via its TV AUX without "seeing" a TV.

    Have you tried the din for TP 2 ??  If that's not working , are you using / bothered about tape 1 - if not you may find that the L&R out to the TP1 can be utilsed as an AUX out to the 9000. 

    The line in/out is ( I think ) a loop - a bit like an effects loop on a guitar amp.  You could put an equaliser there, for example, but the sound has to go back in, so that's not an option.

     If you do manage to get an active L&R output from your 7000, another connection option is to use an input on your Bvis, rather than the A.Aux on the 9000.  This has advantages if you have Beolink in other rooms ( 9000 can still be used ) and with PMute you can blank the screen.

    Last thing - belt and braces, and a bit obvious - but are you sure you have din cables that are looking at the right pins ?  Reverse cables do exist, and you wouldn't be the first !

     If all else fails, PM the oracle that is Keith. 

     

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  • 03-29-2008 5:36 AM In reply to

    Re: Connection challenge Beosystem 7000!!!

    I'm no expert but just a thought , can't the 7000 be set to option 6 then you can use link commands to control it with no conflict to the 9000 or am I wrong . Bit different but I have two Tv's in range of each other so the kitchen tv is set to option 6 and have put the 2002 link conversion code into it's Beo4 ( I can now put direct commands in without having to list/link first ) and now that remote only works that tv and doesn't conflict with the other .
    Richard
  • 03-29-2008 5:48 AM In reply to

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    Re: Connection challenge Beosystem 7000!!!

    I have just tried AV-A.AUX but that doesn't seem do do the trick. Connecting the DIN plug to Tape 1 and Tape 2 don't seem to be a solution either. The BeoSound 9000 is getting no signal through it's AUX input. The strange thing is that when I put the DIN plug in the TV/AUX on the Beosystem 7000 just a little bit, the signals comes through and the plays to the speakers that are connected to the Beovision 7-40. But when I put the DIN plug in fully, it's stops again. It's almost like the Beomaster 7000 opens up it's TV/AUX for a moment and then shuts it down again.

    The reason why I want to connect to the AUX on the BeoSound 9000 is that I can let the Beosystem 7000 play through the beolink in other rooms. I have had a Beogram 9000 (with an extra phono pre-amp) connected to it it the past and that enabled me to listen to the record player in other rooms, without a remote control function ofcourse. 

  • 03-29-2008 6:00 AM In reply to

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    Re: Connection challenge Beosystem 7000!!!

    a2bur:
    I'm no expert but just a thought , can't the 7000 be set to option 6 then you can use link commands to control it with no conflict to the 9000 or am I wrong . Bit different but I have two Tv's in range of each other so the kitchen tv is set to option 6 and have put the 2002 link conversion code into it's Beo4 ( I can now put direct commands in without having to list/link first ) and now that remote only works that tv and doesn't conflict with the other .
    Richard
    I have tried to set the Beosystem to option 6 but it does not seem to go higher then option 4.
  • 03-29-2008 6:18 AM In reply to

    Re: Connection challenge Beosystem 7000!!!

    Beolab1:

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    The reason why I want to connect to the AUX on the BeoSound 9000 is that I can let the Beosystem 7000 play through the beolink in other rooms. I have had a Beogram 9000 (with an extra phono pre-amp) connected to it it the past and that enabled me to listen to the record player in other rooms, without a remote control function ofcourse. 

     
    You could still do this via the TV inputs.  My ipod is sometimes connected  via the camcorder inputs on an avant 28dvd - I can then listen to it in the bath via a blink passive.

    I'm puzzled by this - I would have thought TP2 L&R output is always on, outputting the currently selected source via the BM7000 - and the AUX on a 9000 should work if you have din cables that are correctly configured.

    One thought though - some Bsnd 9000's will not output A.Aux via beolink if the A.Aux is called for via remote.

     

    Its a known problem when ipods are connected.  The A.Aux command is ignored in link rooms.  As you have no speakers connected, just ML to your TV, the just maybe there is an issue here.  You have to choose cd or radio in the link room, then change over in the main room.  Annoying but true ( software based Danish quirk ! )

    You could also try running a PL cable to a speaker, and then try the 9000 / 7000 combination as a standalone audio only system.  If you then get sound, reintroduce the ML and your TV and fault find the problem ( not that there is necessarily a fix Unsure)

    If you have a 3.5mm to din - try an ipod or similar via the 9000 - if this works, ou know the problem is the BM7000 or cables. 

     

    Good luck 

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  • 03-29-2008 6:27 AM In reply to

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    Re: Connection challenge Beosystem 7000!!!

     

    Thanks for the input, but the AUX on the BeoSound 9000 works well in my link room system. I can press AUX on the remote in link rooms ans the music will play. Or I press Tape on the two Beolabs 2000 that I have in the bathrooms and that turns on the AUX source as well. By the way I really really appreciate everybody thinking along with me!!! THANK YOU!!!

  • 03-29-2008 6:56 AM In reply to

    Re: Connection challenge Beosystem 7000!!!

    I take it that you are using a 5 pin to 5 pin DIN lead between the Tape 2 of the 7000 and the Aux of the BS9000? Very strange! I use the Tape 2 as an output on my 5500 constantly!
  • 03-29-2008 7:01 AM In reply to

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    Re: Connection challenge Beosystem 7000!!!

    P.S. When I connect the Beosystem 7000 CD Player or Tape Recorder or Record player into the AUX of the BeoSound 9000 directly, the sound comes through all four speakers connected to the Beovision 7-40.

  • 03-29-2008 7:12 AM In reply to

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    Re: Connection challenge Beosystem 7000!!!

    Peter :
    I take it that you are using a 5 pin to 5 pin DIN lead between the Tape 2 of the 7000 and the Aux of the BS9000? Very strange! I use the Tape 2 as an output on my 5500 constantly!

    Hi Peter, yes I used a 5 DIN plug to the TAPE2 but maybe it's different on a 5500 then on a 7000. I have tried it again, but no result.

  • 03-29-2008 8:22 AM In reply to

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    Re: Connection challenge Beosystem 7000!!!

    @King Street: I just tried to connect the TV/AUX, TAPE1 and TAPE2 on the Beosystem 7000 to the AUDIO LEFT/RIGHT IN of the CAMCORDER connection panel directly on the Beovision 7-40, with but regretfully again no result.
  • 03-29-2008 8:46 AM In reply to

    Re: Connection challenge Beosystem 7000!!!

    Beolab1:
    @King Street: I just tried to connect the TV/AUX, TAPE1 and TAPE2 on the Beosystem 7000 to the AUDIO LEFT/RIGHT IN of the CAMCORDER connection panel directly on the Beovision 7-40, with but regretfully again no result.

     

    Starting to think there is maybe a fault on the Bmaster.  Sad  What you want to do should work - in effect use the BM7000 as an input expander - you have ruled out the 9000 by connecting the CD/Beogram directly.

     
    Odd.  Suggest a bench test.

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  • 03-29-2008 9:01 AM In reply to

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    Re: Connection challenge Beosystem 7000!!!

    Just to double check, I connected my Beogram 9000 with a pre amplifier to the TAPE2 input on the Beomaster 7000 and also to the TV/AUX. This works perfectly. The TAPE2 and the TV/AUX socket is taking in signals and putting them through the Beomaster 7000 to the temporarily connected Beolab 6000's. Now i'm even more puzzeled.
  • 03-29-2008 11:09 AM In reply to

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    Re: Connection challenge Beosystem 7000!!!

    Your installation should work. I have the same here - BS 9000 / BV7-40 in the main room - BS 7000 in a linkroom - AUX-sockets of both systems connected ( just audio, no datalink). BS 9000 in option 0, BV7-40 option 2, BS 7000 option 1. There is an MCL 2A (option 4) connected to the BS 7000 with the IR eye placed in the main room, so I control the BS 7000 in the main room via LINK commands - LINK CD/RADIO/TAPE/PHONO. Works great, so maybe a faulty cable/socket (??). Hope this helps 

    Stefan 

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    Re: Connection challenge Beosystem 7000!!!

    Thank you Stefan. I have hooked everything up again like you said, and checked to see if all the option settings where the same as your instalation. I don't have the MCL 2A, but that shouldn't stop it from working. Still nothing hapens. The 5-DIN cable is new, that could mean that the left & right out of the TAPE2 en TV/AUX sockets are not working. I'll open it up and take a look inside. I have already discovered that when I put the DIN plug into the TV/AUX on the Beomaster 7000 just a little, the sound comes through the speakers connected to the Beovision 7-40. When I put it in fully, it stops again. 

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    Re: Connection challenge Beosystem 7000!!!

    Opened up the Beomaster 7000, but there is no problem with the TV/AUX and the TAPE2sockets. It remains a mystery! Hopefully somebody on the forum has some more suggestions.
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    Re: Connection challenge Beosystem 7000!!!

    Try to connect your Beocord 7000 to the tape 2 socket, and then make a recording  from radio or Cd, if that works there is audio out from tape 2.

     

    Søren

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    Re: Connection challenge Beosystem 7000!!!

    Thanks Sören! I tried it and can make a recording. So that proves that when a tape deck is connected to TAPE2, there is an signal output. Still strange that when I connect TAPE2 with a 5DIN cable to the AUX of the BeoSound 9000, it does not work. Connecting the Beogram CD/Beocord or Beogram Record Player directly to the BeoSound 9000 AUX also works. Could the Beomaster 7000 shut down it's TAPE2 and TV/AUX socket when it detects that it does not get an signal in, which is the case when it is connected to the BeoSound 9000 AUX socket.  The software of the Beomaster 7000 version is 1.0.
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    Re: Connection challenge Beosystem 7000!!!

    I think you would need a speciel "crossover cabel" with the following connections

    BM7000                  BS9000

     Pin 2----------------------Pin 2

     Pin 1----------------------Pin 3

     Pin 4----------------------Pin 5

     Pin 3----------------------Pin 1

     Pin 5----------------------Pin 4

     

    Søren

  • 03-29-2008 7:41 PM In reply to

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    Re: Connection challenge Beosystem 7000!!!

    Thanks Sören! It looks impressive, but what does a crossover cabel do?
  • 03-30-2008 5:14 AM In reply to

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    Re: Connection challenge Beosystem 7000!!!

    Yes, of course, Søren is right! AUX-out of BM 7000 is pin 1-4 (L/R) and AUX-in BS 9000 is pin 3-5 (L/R). See http://www.beoworld.org/beotech/mclconn3.htm and http://www.beoworld.org/beotech/misc2.htm#Audio%20Aux%20Link%20/%20PowerLink%20connections:

    You connected output to output, which can`t work. 

    I didn`t notice that, because I`m using DIN - RCA adapters on both systems with a RCA cable, that I soldered myself and just connected RCA-out to RCA-in. Tusind tak, Søren. This should solve the problem. You can solder this special cable as described above or use DIN-(4) RCA adapters with a normal RCA stereo cable - good luck.

    Stefan 

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