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  • 02-04-2008 10:10 AM

    • Daniel
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    Link speakers electrified?

    In my house I´ve got three link speakers (BL 2000 in the kitchen and in the laundry room in basement and a BL 3500 next to the fire place in the basement). If I touch the aluminium parts I can fell a weak vibration, almost like they would be electrified with a low voltage (and no current). The parts are the tube with buttons (BL 2000), the cooling parts on the back of the BL 2000 and the tube of the BL 3500.

    The vibrations is best noticed when I barely just touch the metal and when I move my finger. Holding still or pressing hard makes the feeling much weaker.

    I´ve noticed it before but didn´t care about it, but now my wife noticed it and refuse to touch them again.

    As a true M. Sc. I did some tests. Disconneting both power supply and master link cable totally removes the vibrations. But when one of them is connected the feeling is back.

    Anyone?

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  • 02-04-2008 2:35 PM In reply to

    Re: Link speakers electrified?

    I have noticed exactly the same phenomenon in B&O showrooms though not on my system.
  • 02-04-2008 2:47 PM In reply to

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    Re: Link speakers electrified?

    I have this same thing happen with most products(Non B&O aswell), not sure if some people sense it more than others.

     

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  • 02-04-2008 3:04 PM In reply to

    Re: Link speakers electrified?

    I've noticed this too. The metal panels on 9000/9300/9500 series and the metal on BS9000 and the vertical stand. More of a vibration than anything. Can't explain it though unless it comes from the mains transformer??

    Regards Graham

  • 02-04-2008 3:42 PM In reply to

    Re: Link speakers electrified?

    "Good vibrations" perchance?
  • 02-04-2008 3:49 PM In reply to

    Re: Link speakers electrified?

    My 4500 also does this.
  • 02-04-2008 4:04 PM In reply to

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    solderon29:
    "Good vibrations" perchance?

    Next time I'm about to lose a sale because of this "phenenomenom" I'll quote you then Nick!Laughing

    Regards Graham

  • 02-04-2008 4:10 PM In reply to

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    Re: Link speakers electrified?

    joeyboygolf:
    I've noticed this too. The metal panels on 9000/9300/9500 series and the metal on BS9000 and the vertical stand. More of a vibration than anything. Can't explain it though unless it comes from the mains transformer??

    My thoughts too although Daniel claims that connecting power or Masterlink (either without the other) causes the phenomena to return - I can't see why Masterlink alone would cause this.

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  • 02-04-2008 4:14 PM In reply to

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    Puncher:

    joeyboygolf:
    I've noticed this too. The metal panels on 9000/9300/9500 series and the metal on BS9000 and the vertical stand. More of a vibration than anything. Can't explain it though unless it comes from the mains transformer??

    My thoughts too although Daniel claims that connecting power or Masterlink (either without the other) causes the phenomena to return - I can't see why Masterlink alone would cause this.

    Agreed. ML is indeed a puzzle.

    Regards Graham

  • 02-04-2008 4:28 PM In reply to

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    Re: Link speakers electrified?

    Good to hear I´m not alone!

    Isn´t there a ground cable in the masterlink, meaning all covers are connected? So if one component is vibrating, the others can do it too?  I haven´t tried it with the whole system disconnected from the power net. But that must stop the vibrations even with the master link cable connected.

    I think I´m getting paranoid, but I get the same feeling from the touch panel on one of my LC1 (and not from the other one)

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  • 02-05-2008 12:55 AM In reply to

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    Re: Link speakers electrified?

    If you measure from the metal panel to mains earth with an AC voltmeter there is probably a voltage potential present. This will be caused by a switched mode power supply on the link system. The "tingle" is often felt with double insulated equipment with switched mode power supplies and is nothing to be concerned about.

     

  • 02-05-2008 2:13 AM In reply to

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    Re: Link speakers electrified?

    Thanks Cozza.

    The double insulation make sense. Without it the speaker had to have an earth connection and that would have removed the potential in the metal parts. 

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  • 02-05-2008 2:54 AM In reply to

    Re: Link speakers electrified?

    I have felt this a few times in amny products, most recently my iPhone.

     When docked and charging from mains, it has a kind of electric vibration when touched and more so when hand moved along it.

    Would be intrested to know why,

    Cheers

    Russ

  • 02-05-2008 3:55 AM In reply to

    Re: Link speakers electrified?

    It's exactly the same here on my MacBook Pro. I'm sure there is someone here who can explain this.
  • 02-05-2008 5:48 AM In reply to

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    Cozza spotted it!

    Yes indeed,all the metalwork is grounded to chassis to prevent hum pickup,but due to the double insulation system used(virtual ground?)non of the equipment is actually grounded to earth.

    A standing voltage can develop between the equipment and earth,sometimes as much as 50v,quite enough to cause a tingle when touched.

    If a signal distribution system is connected for radio/tv signals,this can make things worse,and can cause odd problems with remote control operation.

    Sky+ boxes are rather prone to this

    It's probably common in display set up's,as they use multiple outlets,and of course have synthetic carpeting/dry air etc which exascerbates the effect.

    Nick

  • 02-05-2008 6:54 AM In reply to

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    Re: Link speakers electrified?

    Here you are Daniel - buy your wife one of these beauties Laughing

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  • 02-05-2008 7:25 AM In reply to

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    Re: Link speakers electrified?

    Medogsfat:

    Here you are Daniel - buy your wife one of these beauties Laughing

    Chris.

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    It doesn´t say how long the cable to the clip is. I need one very long or she have to move the clip as I let her walk around in the house, mostly for cleaning.

    (Heaven forbid she ever read this Unsure)

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  • 02-05-2008 3:49 PM In reply to

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    Re: Link speakers electrified?

    Perhaps Daniel, you could mount some sort of bar on the ceiling through the whole house. Your good lady could be tethered to it via a loop a bit like a curtain rail. If she wore some kind of collar with a sticky pad at the back like on an electro-encepholagraph, she could Hoover the whole house and remain at ease.

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  • 02-05-2008 4:03 PM In reply to

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    Re: Link speakers electrified?

    Wearing a grounded wrist strap won't help, I'm afraid. (Nor for that matter a grounded dog collar!). This is not a build up of static electricity, more of an electrical leakage current. You can feel the same thing on a Beosound 3 when it is on the charger.

  • 02-05-2008 9:24 PM In reply to

    • Dave
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    Re: Link speakers electrified?

    Every B&O product i own has this trait, if you can't sense it from touching it, then rub your ear against a metal part of your B&O.

    Nothing to worry about, cozza and solderon29 has it in one, double insulation 

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