Hi, I have a brand new BV7-40 Mark III (Full-HD). I have bought a Panasonic BMP-BD10A blu-ray player. When I look at blu-ray movies at 1080p (full-HD picture) the camera-movements i sometimes a bit jerky. I have tried other blu-ray players with the same result. When I look at DVD movies, the movements i soft and very good. Mayby the pictureprocessor in the BV7 is not sufficient. Has anybody experienced this problem when looking at bluray movies?

 Regards
Martin

Have used bluray on BV 7-32 and no issues. I haven't been blown away by picture quality but I think this is more a function of the screen size (or lack thereof).

 Re jerky movement I haven't noticed this. I have however seen comment in the press re some of the newer LCD panels and the fact that they remove this. I think therefore this is possibly a function of the fact that the technology has moved on from that incorporated by B&O in the new BV 7-40 and - as a wider comment - that B&O are struggling to keep up with technology which is moving too fast for the smaller specialist companies.

martin01:

Hi, I have a brand new BV7-40 Mark III (Full-HD). I have bought a Panasonic BMP-BD10A blu-ray player. When I look at blu-ray movies at 1080p (full-HD picture) the camera-movements i sometimes a bit jerky. I have tried other blu-ray players with the same result. When I look at DVD movies, the movements i soft and very good. Mayby the pictureprocessor in the BV7 is not sufficient. Has anybody experienced this problem when looking at bluray movies?

 Regards
Martin

Make certain it's the TV doing the processing, and not your player. Either have the player send raw unprocessed, or let the TV accept the already processed image without additional work. That might help?

This means you have to look at what the TV is set for, when it comes to the signal it gets from your Blu-ray. 

martin01:

Mayby the pictureprocessor in the BV7 is not sufficient. Has anybody experienced this problem when looking at bluray movies?

As a current BV7-40 MKIII owner and a previous BV7-32 (MKI) owner, I can discuss this subject.

Sadly it's not the TV. It's Blu-ray. Some Blu-ray movies are produced and encoded to a high standard, others aren't. Indeed, many are encoded using the same MPEG-2 codec as standard definition DVDs.

Therefore some are far better than others. For instance, Layer Cake and Casino Royale are superb, whereas 300 and Ocean's Thirteen are very pixelated, produce flash effects (300) and they can also appear rather jerky - Ocean's Thirteen is a classic for jerky camera movement.

However, I also have the SD versions of these DVDs and they are exactly the same - Ocean's Thirteen has the same jerky camera movement as the Blu-ray version.

Luckily I saw 300 Blu-ray on a Loewe Individual 50" LCD the other day and it was *worse* than my BV7-40 MKIII, so we can be assured it's not the TV processing, it's how the Blu-ray was produced and encoded.

Chris.

"Make certain it's the TV doing the processing, and not your player. Either have the player send raw unprocessed, or let the TV accept the already processed image without additional work. That might help?

This means you have to look at what the TV is set for, when it comes to the signal it gets from your Blu-ray"

My question is then: How do I check the TV how it processes the incoming signal from the Bluray player? Should I go to the "customer menu" or the "service menu"?

Is the new BV7 100Hz? Certainly our Loewe 100 Hz sets have a conflict issue with DMM which is a technology to improve movement blurring on non 100Hz sets, we have to turn off the DMM to get a perfect blu ray picture on our new player, However I dont know if The B&o has this option or not. It does however sound like a similar symptom and once sorted the picture is perfect.

Hope that helps

Dave

it stands for Dynamic Motion .................... Actually I dont know what the last M is for, anyway its a picture improvement tech that actually does help flat screens with movement, however with the new 100Hz models its not needed and the TV in a way over compensates.

Anyway I hope that helps.

Dave

martin01:

Hi, I have a brand new BV7-40 Mark III (Full-HD). I have bought a Panasonic BMP-BD10A blu-ray player. When I look at blu-ray movies at 1080p (full-HD picture) the camera-movements i sometimes a bit jerky. I have tried other blu-ray players with the same result. When I look at DVD movies, the movements i soft and very good. Mayby the pictureprocessor in the BV7 is not sufficient. Has anybody experienced this problem when looking at bluray movies?

 Regards
Martin

In this instance it is nothing to do with the BV7 and everything to do with the player.

What settings are you using on the BD10? please give all the set up criteria on the player and I will investigate.

Having said all that you have entered the mysterious world of blue ray where issues like this are not unusual. YThe Bd10 is not a later generation player and will be replced very soon my the BD30. Best results of all blue ray seem to be PS3 that just plays with no issues at all!

martin01:

Hi, I have a brand new BV7-40 Mark III (Full-HD). I have bought a Panasonic BMP-BD10A blu-ray player. When I look at blu-ray movies at 1080p (full-HD picture) the camera-movements i sometimes a bit jerky. I have tried other blu-ray players with the same result. When I look at DVD movies, the movements i soft and very good. Mayby the pictureprocessor in the BV7 is not sufficient. Has anybody experienced this problem when looking at bluray movies?

 Regards
Martin

Have you set the Panasonic player to 1080p for the default output signal or?

Try to set the Panasonic to 1080i instead and see if you got any improvements. Because now the on-board much more powerful "Beosystem3" possessor in the BV7 will deinterlace the signal to a smooth progressive signal instead of the poorly panasonic processor.. Try this and turn of the Film Mode in the service menu on the BV7..

If this doesn't help, try the Sony BD S500 Blue-ray player.. Its a newer BD player with lesser artefacts... 

(The newer Blu-ray players got the 24p/second option witch sync picture by picture to the original 32mm cinema format 24p/s =  No  motion judder in pans at all.. But unfortunately BV7 doesn't support 24p yet.. Maybe a newer SW upgrade later this year will give the opportunity for the 24p standard...) 

Regards

Beolab:

martin01:

Hi, I have a brand new BV7-40 Mark III (Full-HD). I have bought a Panasonic BMP-BD10A blu-ray player. When I look at blu-ray movies at 1080p (full-HD picture) the camera-movements i sometimes a bit jerky. I have tried other blu-ray players with the same result. When I look at DVD movies, the movements i soft and very good. Mayby the pictureprocessor in the BV7 is not sufficient. Has anybody experienced this problem when looking at bluray movies?

 Regards
Martin

Have you set the Panasonic player to 1080p for the default output signal or?

Try to set the Panasonic to 1080i instead and see if you got any improvements. Because now the on-board much more powerful "Beosystem3" possessor in the BV7 will deinterlace the signal to a smooth progressive signal instead of the poorly panasonic processor.. Try this and turn of the Film Mode in the service menu on the BV7..

If this doesn't help, try the Sony BD S500 Blue-ray player.. Its a newer BD player with lesser artefacts... 

(The newer Blu-ray players got the 24p/second option witch sync picture by picture to the original 32mm cinema format 24p/s =  No  motion judder in pans at all.. But unfortunately BV7 doesn't support 24p yet.. Maybe a newer SW upgrade later this year will give the opportunity for the 24p standard...) 

 

Regards

well 24fps seem to be causing more problems than it solves for many users at the moment. The porcessor in the BD10 is ectually extremely good you will gain nothing by moving to sony BDs500 or the 300 ( which is largely the same internaly.

Because the PS3 is set up mainly as  a gaming machine, its capabilities are very high and there are less compliance issues with it.

hence my suggestion you try a PS3 first. It is unlikely that a softwrea upgrade will make the BS3 24FPS just as its unikely it will support HDMA audio as it is not HDMI 1.3 compliant

355f:

Beolab:

martin01:

Hi, I have a brand new BV7-40 Mark III (Full-HD). I have bought a Panasonic BMP-BD10A blu-ray player. When I look at blu-ray movies at 1080p (full-HD picture) the camera-movements i sometimes a bit jerky. I have tried other blu-ray players with the same result. When I look at DVD movies, the movements i soft and very good. Mayby the pictureprocessor in the BV7 is not sufficient. Has anybody experienced this problem when looking at bluray movies?

 Regards
Martin

Have you set the Panasonic player to 1080p for the default output signal or?

Try to set the Panasonic to 1080i instead and see if you got any improvements. Because now the on-board much more powerful "Beosystem3" possessor in the BV7 will deinterlace the signal to a smooth progressive signal instead of the poorly panasonic processor.. Try this and turn of the Film Mode in the service menu on the BV7..

If this doesn't help, try the Sony BD S500 Blue-ray player.. Its a newer BD player with lesser artefacts... 

(The newer Blu-ray players got the 24p/second option witch sync picture by picture to the original 32mm cinema format 24p/s =  No  motion judder in pans at all.. But unfortunately BV7 doesn't support 24p yet.. Maybe a newer SW upgrade later this year will give the opportunity for the 24p standard...) 

 

Regards

well 24fps seem to be causing more problems than it solves for many users at the moment. The porcessor in the BD10 is ectually extremely good you will gain nothing by moving to sony BDs500 or the 300 ( which is largely the same internaly.

Because the PS3 is set up mainly as  a gaming machine, its capabilities are very high and there are less compliance issues with it.

hence my suggestion you try a PS3 first. It is unlikely that a softwrea upgrade will make the BS3 24FPS just as its unikely it will support HDMA audio as it is not HDMI 1.3 compliant

But 24p should only be software based, or don't you think Beoystem3 can be upgraded with this option in a later SW upgrade ?

Regards

Hi, guys! Thank you for your replies. I have set the Panasonic to 1080p constantly. I have tried to put it in the 1080i mode. The movements is a little bit better but the the quality of the picture will not be as good as it is in 1080p-mode. Everyone says that the Beosystem 3 is a very good "engine" to run the TV. But I don´t feel it this way. If I buy a 1080p LCD, then I expects it to run perfectly in full-hd mode. If I use 1080i instead, then I don´t use the full capacity of the screen. And that is sad, since the TV-set cost £8.500.

 Any comments?

martin01:

Hi, guys! Thank you for your replies. I have set the Panasonic to 1080p constantly. I have tried to put it in the 1080i mode. The movements is a little bit better but the the quality of the picture will not be as good as it is in 1080p-mode. Everyone says that the Beosystem 3 is a very good "engine" to run the TV. But I don´t feel it this way. If I buy a 1080p LCD, then I expects it to run perfectly in full-hd mode. If I use 1080i instead, then I don´t use the full capacity of the screen. And that is sad, since the TV-set cost £8.500.

 Any comments?

 

Its not the TV (BV7) ... It´s the new Blu-ray technology ho hasn't developed to its full capacity yet!

1080i = 1920x1080 Interlaced

1080p= 1920x1080 progressive

The Beosystem 3 deinterlace the incoming 1080i signal to 1080p.. So if you think the 1080i option looks better then go for it.  Or try out a PS3 with 1080p signal and you can see that it isent the BV7 ho causes the problem here..

The BV7 inbuilt BS3 is a very powerful video engine and read on a Swedish forum that the Beosystem3 only use about 50% of its totally power with DVD playback and 80-90% with HD material.. 

Try the Playstation 3 and you will see no artefact's as 355f metioned...

I have BV9 and PS3 and thje picture is stunning

...so try PS3.... 

martin01:

Hi, guys! Thank you for your replies. I have set the Panasonic to 1080p constantly. I have tried to put it in the 1080i mode. The movements is a little bit better but the the quality of the picture will not be as good as it is in 1080p-mode. Everyone says that the Beosystem 3 is a very good "engine" to run the TV. But I don´t feel it this way. If I buy a 1080p LCD, then I expects it to run perfectly in full-hd mode. If I use 1080i instead, then I don´t use the full capacity of the screen. And that is sad, since the TV-set cost £8.500.

 Any comments?

 

In all fairness here the problem relates to blue ray itself.

Firstly, the players- The new 'standard' is  profile 1.1 compliance. This relates mainly to additional features on the discs but no one knows how this will affect existing players ability to play discs for the future ;Of the few supposed 1.1 players now out many users report that there is a lot of judder on the aditional features that one gets- so marketing indicates 1.1 compliance. reality - they do not meet the standard.

Secondly, the discs themselves- more often than not- very poorly mastered, bad picture quality- worse than upscaled dvd.

Totest this theoryI have the bourne ultimatum  BR on pioneer 8 series with PS3 and a standard dvd played on BV4 with BS3- the standard dvd is far better in every way. Checkout AV forums for a list of BR discs that are actually worth having for picture quality alone- its not many!!

24fps in theory should stop it all- but as owners of some new plasmas have found it does not- there seem to be many compatability issues.

In short the best blue ray player is the PS3- fully supported for firmware and software updates, has few compliance issues and performs well.

I would borrow one of these and get a high rated BR disc and try that solution- you should get very good results- if you dont its a TV problem and the BV7Mk111 is bad for SD but it should be first rate for a good BR disc!

Beolab:

355f:

Beolab:

martin01:

Hi, I have a brand new BV7-40 Mark III (Full-HD). I have bought a Panasonic BMP-BD10A blu-ray player. When I look at blu-ray movies at 1080p (full-HD picture) the camera-movements i sometimes a bit jerky. I have tried other blu-ray players with the same result. When I look at DVD movies, the movements i soft and very good. Mayby the pictureprocessor in the BV7 is not sufficient. Has anybody experienced this problem when looking at bluray movies?

 Regards
Martin

Have you set the Panasonic player to 1080p for the default output signal or?

Try to set the Panasonic to 1080i instead and see if you got any improvements. Because now the on-board much more powerful "Beosystem3" possessor in the BV7 will deinterlace the signal to a smooth progressive signal instead of the poorly panasonic processor.. Try this and turn of the Film Mode in the service menu on the BV7..

If this doesn't help, try the Sony BD S500 Blue-ray player.. Its a newer BD player with lesser artefacts... 

(The newer Blu-ray players got the 24p/second option witch sync picture by picture to the original 32mm cinema format 24p/s =  No  motion judder in pans at all.. But unfortunately BV7 doesn't support 24p yet.. Maybe a newer SW upgrade later this year will give the opportunity for the 24p standard...) 

 

Regards

well 24fps seem to be causing more problems than it solves for many users at the moment. The porcessor in the BD10 is ectually extremely good you will gain nothing by moving to sony BDs500 or the 300 ( which is largely the same internaly.

Because the PS3 is set up mainly as  a gaming machine, its capabilities are very high and there are less compliance issues with it.

hence my suggestion you try a PS3 first. It is unlikely that a softwrea upgrade will make the BS3 24FPS just as its unikely it will support HDMA audio as it is not HDMI 1.3 compliant

 

But 24p should only be software based, or don't you think Beoystem3 can be upgraded with this option in a later SW upgrade ?

Regards

If BnO want t use the very latest Panasonic panels then it would make sense that 24fps was utilised. However, having looked at the BS3 internally it would seem that present models cant be made 1.3 compliant without major changes and its very dissapoiting given the huge cost that it was not reverse engineered to do this.

For my part, the biggest imprvements we are going to see with BR will be in sound and not picture formats. Alas, without HDMI 1.3 these new codecs will not be available to existing BS3 holders. This is another fault with the way BnO operates which i meantioned before!

355f:

Beolab:

355f:

Beolab:

martin01:

Hi, I have a brand new BV7-40 Mark III (Full-HD). I have bought a Panasonic BMP-BD10A blu-ray player. When I look at blu-ray movies at 1080p (full-HD picture) the camera-movements i sometimes a bit jerky. I have tried other blu-ray players with the same result. When I look at DVD movies, the movements i soft and very good. Mayby the pictureprocessor in the BV7 is not sufficient. Has anybody experienced this problem when looking at bluray movies?

 Regards
Martin

Have you set the Panasonic player to 1080p for the default output signal or?

Try to set the Panasonic to 1080i instead and see if you got any improvements. Because now the on-board much more powerful "Beosystem3" possessor in the BV7 will deinterlace the signal to a smooth progressive signal instead of the poorly panasonic processor.. Try this and turn of the Film Mode in the service menu on the BV7..

If this doesn't help, try the Sony BD S500 Blue-ray player.. Its a newer BD player with lesser artefacts... 

(The newer Blu-ray players got the 24p/second option witch sync picture by picture to the original 32mm cinema format 24p/s =  No  motion judder in pans at all.. But unfortunately BV7 doesn't support 24p yet.. Maybe a newer SW upgrade later this year will give the opportunity for the 24p standard...) 

 

Regards

well 24fps seem to be causing more problems than it solves for many users at the moment. The porcessor in the BD10 is ectually extremely good you will gain nothing by moving to sony BDs500 or the 300 ( which is largely the same internaly.

Because the PS3 is set up mainly as  a gaming machine, its capabilities are very high and there are less compliance issues with it.

hence my suggestion you try a PS3 first. It is unlikely that a softwrea upgrade will make the BS3 24FPS just as its unikely it will support HDMA audio as it is not HDMI 1.3 compliant

 

But 24p should only be software based, or don't you think Beoystem3 can be upgraded with this option in a later SW upgrade ?

Regards

If BnO want t use the very latest Panasonic panels then it would make sense that 24fps was utilised. However, having looked at the BS3 internally it would seem that present models cant be made 1.3 compliant without major changes and its very dissapoiting given the huge cost that it was not reverse engineered to do this.

For my part, the biggest imprvements we are going to see with BR will be in sound and not picture formats. Alas, without HDMI 1.3 these new codecs will not be available to existing BS3 holders. This is another fault with the way BnO operates which i meantioned before!

I was afraid to here that answer =(

As usually!  Bang&Olufsen= Ultrarapid & Slow,  with no future proof inbuilt ....

355f:

For my part, the biggest imprvements we are going to see with BR will be in sound and not picture formats. Alas, without HDMI 1.3 these new codecs will not be available to existing BS3 holders. This is another fault with the way BnO operates which i meantioned before!

I'm already astonished my 2008-model BV7-40 MKIII doesn't support HDMI 1.3. I'd be even more astonished if this couldn't be supported in the BS3 as I was told it was a software update (but believed myself that HDMI 1.3 was a hardware upgrade).

My reply about Blu-ray on the BV7-40 MKIII was 'approved' (see above) after it had been moderated all day.

355f:

Totest this theoryI have the bourne ultimatum  BR on pioneer 8 series with PS3 and a standard dvd played on BV4 with BS3- the standard dvd is far better in every way. Checkout AV forums for a list of BR discs that are actually worth having for picture quality alone- its not many!

How did you do that test? Bourne Ultimatum - or any Bourne movie - isn't available on BR.

ALL my Blu-rays are better than their SD equivalent (and also share the same issues, ie problematic camera panning on Ocean's 13). 355F, you're getting carried away again :)

moxxey:

355f:

For my part, the biggest imprvements we are going to see with BR will be in sound and not picture formats. Alas, without HDMI 1.3 these new codecs will not be available to existing BS3 holders. This is another fault with the way BnO operates which i meantioned before!

I'm already astonished my 2008-model BV7-40 MKIII doesn't support HDMI 1.3. I'd be even more astonished if this couldn't be supported in the BS3 as I was told it was a software update (but believed myself that HDMI 1.3 was a hardware upgrade).

My reply about Blu-ray on the BV7-40 MKIII was 'approved' (see above) after it had been moderated all day.

Its a hardware, not a software issue. The really worrying thing is that with the new BR players comming out (ie Panasonic BD30) they are all without internal decoding of the new sound formats in order to save money.

A relatively cheap onkyo or Denon AV receiver supports the new codecs vias HDMI 1.3 but the BS3 does not.

BnO should clarify the position as to how much its going to cost existing owners of these products to update ( if indeed thats possible)

Whilst I dont believe one can futureproof products - BnO should take a leaf out of Meridians products- An item bought many years ago can be upgraded by software and firmware updates via the web to meet the standards of an item just off the factory line today.

moxxey:

355f:

Totest this theoryI have the bourne ultimatum  BR on pioneer 8 series with PS3 and a standard dvd played on BV4 with BS3- the standard dvd is far better in every way. Checkout AV forums for a list of BR discs that are actually worth having for picture quality alone- its not many!

How did you do that test? Bourne Ultimatum - or any Bourne movie - isn't available on BR.

ALL my Blu-rays are better than their SD equivalent (and also share the same issues, ie problematic camera panning on Ocean's 13). 355F, you're getting carried away again :)

Sorry full aplogies!  Actually my associate has the Pioneer panel now and the dvd was via the toshiba  ep30 HDDVD.

Im delighted all your blue rays are better than ds dvds but please look at the following

http://avplay.avforums.com/index.php

click on GO and all the HDdvd and blue rays come up. Then look at the indicators for sound and vision. 10 is good, 6 or less makes it no better than dvd-

joeyboygolf:

Phew!!! Drinks all round in Struer then!

I dont think they can afford those anymore!