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  • 01-12-2008 7:20 AM

    • lausvi
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    Beomaster 901 maintenance


    This week was a success, I got a Beomaster 901 and 3000 for just 40 euros. Both were desribed as non-working but actually they both work. (The 3000's front panel switches needed to be cleaned as there was a lot of troubles getting both channel output when switching between programme sources. Now it's working like new. ) The Beomaster 901 has more troubles. Mainly:
     
    1) The  volume sliders string was cut so the volume was sticked to minimum. The old string was there but in two pieces and I guess that won't be fixable. So where could I get a new one?
     
    2) Also the red color plate in the front of the tuning lights was missing but later on found inside the machine. But the tuning lamps holder is cracked, it should have two clams to attach to the front panel but this has the second missing. So now the lamp holder cannot be fastened correctly. I could of course just use glue of something like that but before that, does anyone have a replacement parts for it?
     
    3) With the 901 there seems to be some old oil/grease or something on the front panel swithces. What would be easiest method to get that stuff off?
     
    4) The 901's tuning slider is very sticky. It moves but very roughly. When trying with with the turning knob it just slips. Where to clean?
     
    5) When the 901 will work I was planning to use it next to my desk without speakers. The headphone socket is for headphones with over 100 ohm impedance. In case I'd need to connect a headphones with a lower impedance would it work if I make an extension cord and add appropriately rated resistor to the negative wire. How much wattage the resistor should be rated to stand? (The headphones I think are the B&O Form 1's and maybe even the A8's if possible)
     
     Thanks for any help!
     

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  • 01-13-2008 8:44 AM In reply to

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    Re: Beomaster 901 maintenance

    1, Any good supplier will have dial string. It's a fiddly job but very rewarding. Lots of patience and coffee.

    2, I have a used part in stock.

    3, I don't know what this is but held up against 4, it seems that someone tried to lubricate and used the wrong agent.
    Isopropanol (tapehead cleaner, carburettor alcohol or whatever you prefer to call it) will remove most, I'm sure.
    If you need to lubricate anything, use silicone grease or sewing machine oil, never motoroil, "hobby oil" or WD40.

    4, Probably a seized tuning capacitor, same as the above.

    5, For those who stare at a Beomaster 901 and wondered where the headphone socket is - it's at the back !
    This suggests that the connecting of a headphone is more or less permanently.
    The headphone output is at speaker level so no problem in using normal 8 ohm headphones.
    Having said that; There are two different Beomaster 901's, one type has two speaker outputs (1 pair), the other has 4 (2 pairs).
    With headphones connected permanently, the potential load of the
    amplifier will be too high if at the same time using 4 ohm speakers, one pair or maybe even 2 pairs.
    If using 8 ohm speakers, I see no problem in using normal 8 ohm headphones.
    If using 4 ohm speakers, the speakers will have to be disconnected
    or the headphones will have to be of a higher impedance.
    Since the Beomaster 901 has no speaker switches, using the latter was what B&O suggested.

    Martin

  • 01-13-2008 2:31 PM In reply to

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    Re: Beomaster 901 maintenance


    1. Is there some standard for these or how is the replacement to be the same length? Or is it the same if I make a replacement out of some string?
    2. Good. I'll take a look on that next week when I got time for it. I'll PM you in case the old one is impossible to get properly to place.
    3 and 4 I guess I can figure out myself now, thanks.
    5. The idea behind my question was that when I tried with my Form 1 headphones, there's a distinctive background hum. I was just thinking that if that's because the phones would be too low impedance type or something. As I had the same thing with my Tandberg 3441X headphone output I was told that using a headphones too low impedance could damage the output amplifier stage. So I thought that the hum would be a warning for that. With the Beomaster 3000 there is no problem at all. I would use the 901 with no speakers connected at all in this case. This is the version that has only one pair of speker outputs.
     
    Sorry if I express myself non-logically. :)
     
     

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  • 01-13-2008 3:14 PM In reply to

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    Re: Beomaster 901 maintenance

    The logic is fine !

    Though I tend to lean more towards a theory of aging power supply caps. Do you have the hum also when only speakers are connected ?

    Dial string is sold by the meter. There's really no good alternative to real dial string though I've heard some people have used fishing line. I haven't tried this myself so I really can't advice. I always use real dial string.
    The string needs to have a certain amount of flexibility without actually stretching - hard to explain but you can feel
    it when working with the string. 

    Martin

  • 01-13-2008 3:33 PM In reply to

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    Re: Beomaster 901 maintenance


    Glad it was. I have been re-arranging my room for about 5 hours and there is a lot of stuff to move from one place to another... some radios, even more tape recorders and few computers....  :)

    There is no hum or anything like that with speakers (or at least is not audible). And the problem was the same already with my earlier gotten Beocenter 1400 (which is the same as 
    the 901 by the amplifier). Or it might be that they both would have aged caps to cause this but I wouldn't really think that to be the case). Also when in use with my Sennheiser wireless headphones there is no probelm at all (and I believe those have much higher impedance as they are wireless). I have tried only with the Form 1's. Somehow I got the
    idea of the too low impedance... there is a text next to the headphone socket telling that the minimum is 100 ohms. And the Form 1's are rated... I think 47 ohms or something like that.

    Some older non-B&O radio I have seen had a small spring in the string, but in this case it won't work as there is no straight line enough long to have the spring in the string... otherwise I could have used the original with a small spring added. But I know what you mean by the flexibility of the stuff.


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  • 01-13-2008 3:43 PM In reply to

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    Re: Beomaster 901 maintenance

    The spring sits inside the nylon wheel at the potentiometer.

    I normally use a pair of U70 for testing headphone outputs and never had any problems but they probably have an even higher impedance, I don't remember. Anyway, putting a series resistor in each channel won't hurt anything.

    Martin

  • 01-14-2008 2:08 PM In reply to

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    Re: Beomaster 901 maintenance

    Dillen:

    The spring sits inside the nylon wheel at the potentiometer.

     

    Indeed, I almost forgot it. I'll get that fixed next time I take a look on that. I might have some other string that might do the trick (flexible enough) so I'll try them first. The difficult part will be getting it in but that will only need a bit of creativity, I guess. :)

    Dillen:
     

    I normally use a pair of U70 for testing headphone outputs and never had any problems but they probably have an even higher impedance, I don't remember. Anyway, putting a series resistor in each channel won't hurt anything.

     I checked this out to be sure: U70's are 140 ohms and Form 1's only 35 ! So it will make a difference indeed. Would a proper resistor be as small as 1/2 watts and -should we say- 100 ohms to get over the requested rate of 100 ohms? Should I have one resistor per channel or just one in the negative wire? As my original idea was to make the extension cord (because the placement of the connector!) so I could add the resistor inside the plug.

     

     

     

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  • 01-14-2008 5:01 PM In reply to

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    Re: Beomaster 901 maintenance

    Putting 100 ohms in the leads will probably take the level down enough to make it practically useless but the ohmic value would be
    correct for the impedance and trying won't hurt anything.
    A resistor of 1/2 Watt could get hot but try with low volume first and feel your way.
    The correct way would be to use two resistors - one for each channel
    in the respective positive wires.

    The best thing would probably be to try to locate a pair of U70 or similar higher impedance headphones.

    Martin

  • 06-02-2008 11:46 AM In reply to

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    Re: Beomaster 901 maintenance

     
    Just in case you are interested in:
     
    While waiting for the BC3500 belts to arrive I remembered this.
     
    I have the same thing with both BC1400 and BM901 - the impedance of the Form 1 headphones is not high enough and it causes some loud hum when listening. Also with the caps replaced 901.

    Today I tried. I made a small cable with the resistors inside the plug (needed some time but finally I get together). I found some around 80 ohms 1/2w resistors and thought to test it. It works, better. The hum is still there, but it's much quiter and it won't irritate as much as the original humming. I also touched the resistors and they seem to be running quite cool. Anyway the Continuous load for the Form 1 is 0.1 W  
    so I guess using 1/2w resistors won't be a problem. It seems then that the impedance of the headphones can affect this. If I would replace the resistors with even higher resistance types I might get it perfect but no need for that now.
     
    I am just listening to the second side of the B&O test record.... :) I have my iMac connected to the 901 and the Form 1s to it and it sounds very much better than directly from the iMac. 
     
      

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