is it true that b&o will come with blue-ray at the end of this year?

I have not heard any information about a Blue-Ray drive being released before the end of the year.

At start, B&O should make Beosystem 3 full 1080p/24 fprs support, and the same for BV7-40 and Beovision 4/9. B&O needs to make 120hz-screens with 24 fprs-support to get a "judder"-free Blu-ray picture.

To Keith Saunders! Do you know when BV 7-40 Mark III will support 24 fprs at 1080p? Do you know if this will reduce the "judder" when looking at Bluray movies? The TV will just convert the 24 fprs to 60fprs. Do we need to wait for a 120hz screen to get the perfect picture?

/Martin

Hello 

Is there a way to change the hardware and software on the beovision 7 40 MK III (or Beosystem 3) for a good Blueray Picture with 1080p (24), or do we all have to buy a new tv set for that?

Regards

Wallace

Got my wonderful PS3 for that and it's firmware is upgradable via the net (i.e. now DB1.1). Not sure about the benefit of one now other than they make it writable maybe!!

Martin,

I do not know when the Beovision 7-40 Mark III will support 24 fps, if ever, however I am informed that the Beovision 4-50 and 4-65 has been fitted with a new panel which will now provided a higher contrast ratio and also 24 frames per second.

Given, what B&O have done with the Beovision 4, I must assume at some point the Beovision 7 will get the same upgrade meaning that more than likely there will be a Mark IV, rather than an upgrade to the existing Mark III

Keith, according to my knowledge the 24p support for the Panasonic comercial panels is based on a new HDMI modul (with 2 HDMI inputs), they are on option and fit in the current Full HD panels. So the panels are not the show stopper, it is the DVI modul. (e.g. with SDI modul24p was already supported even with G9 full HD panels)

So in theory it might be possible to make the current BV4 (based on the full HD G10 panel) 24p ready with the new modul, but no idea  if the B&O modul will be the same. 

Karsten 

 

Here in this thread, in 2 consecutive posts, we have one of the greates issues we have discussed properly encapsulated for us: 

martin01:

At start, B&O should make Beosystem 3 full 1080p/24 fprs support, and the same for BV7-40 and Beovision 4/9. B&O needs to make 120hz-screens with 24 fprs-support to get a "judder"-free Blu-ray picture....

To Keith Saunders! Do you know when BV 7-40 Mark III will support 24 fprs at 1080p? Do you know if this will reduce the "judder" when looking at Bluray movies? The TV will just convert the 24 fprs to 60fprs. Do we need to wait for a 120hz screen to get the perfect picture?

 

First we have the demand that B&O leap immediately onto the next greatest newest buzzword technology, and them seconds later the question, from the same poster, as to wether it might or might not make a difference.

 

Can we all take a deep breath here, and allow those clever Danish gnomes, deep in their dungeons, to detirmine what actually makes the best picture?

 

Russ 

I visited two different B and O dealers this weekend to look at the Beovision 7. I was informed by both tha the current 7 is fully capable of supporting 24 fprs, needing only a future software update. One of the dealers indicated that there are no plans for a panel upgrade on the 7 as it is not needed.

I was also told that the internal DVD player is modular and thus can be replaced when a Blueray version is released.

 

 

Has anybody heard anything different? Trying to decide if now is the time for a new Beovision 7 to replace our Avant or if we should wait.

Razlaw:

I visited two different B and O dealers this weekend to look at the Beovision 7. I was informed by both tha the current 7 is fully capable of supporting 24 fprs, needing only a future software update. One of the dealers indicated that there are no plans for a panel upgrade on the 7 as it is not needed.

I was also told that the internal DVD player is modular and thus can be replaced when a Blueray version is released.

 

I think this is a mixed message. I know for a fact that no dealer knows about any BV7-40 updates and whether a panel update is due soon. For that reason, they are bound to encourage you to buy the current version!

However, they are right in saying that the internal DVD player is modular and will be upgradable. I was told this by a B&O UK representative a few weeks ago. So, if they were lying, I have their business card :)

Razlaw:

Has anybody heard anything different? Trying to decide if now is the time for a new Beovision 7 to replace our Avant or if we should wait.

My dealer told me some weeks ago that B&O is working hard in a BV7 with a built-in blu-ray player.
But he didn't said me anything more: nothing about the BV7 size, out coming date, price, upgrade possibilities... nothing.

Blue-ray still has a long way to BV7, but 24fps will properly be here before the end of the year. Or 96Hz in B&O terms (24 x 4) not all BS3 can be upgrade to support it. But we have to wait to it get here, to say more for sure.

not all BS3 can be upgraded

What do you mean by that? In other words; which ones can? The one in the BV 7-40 MK III?

I had a friend who's a professional cinematographer visit last Friday. He has shot several dozen features, and actually had one in competition in Cannes this year.

We were discussing blu-ray versus upscaled DVD and the HD quality of AppleTV. We watched Sweeney Todd fro AppleTV, which is a particularly good HD-transfer on a 50" plasma, and my friend's evaluation was that this convinced him he was not going to replace all his DVDs with blu-ray versions. He hasn't bothered getting a blu-ray player, in spite of having a projector at home, but was considering it now, until he saw the quality of HD downloaded over the net ...

Worth thinking about. I'm likewise also not getting a blu-ray player, for the same reasons. 

i think the only advantage of blu ray is having a hard copy that you can replay , the downloads auto delete after 1 play

plus blu ray has that very handy in movie menu system for finding scenes , changing setting and getting alternative soundtracks , one of the biggest improvements over dvd but hardly ever mentioned 

i'm investigating a few dvd upscalers at the moment , but they only upscale via hdmi so i'll need an hdmi expander kit , the dvd committee won't allow hd playback via component for copyright reasons - the killjoys !

 

it's all getting awfully complicated ! 

I should point out that you can purchase movies in high-resolution, not just rent them.

Lots of services coming with this offer now. Vudu.com, www.videogiants.com, etc. And you can also purchase movies from AppleTV, which means they won't autodelete.

that must be america , you're always years ahead of us lot in the uk

why they're dragging their feet over here with apple is beyond me 

soundproof:

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We were discussing blu-ray versus upscaled DVD and the HD quality of AppleTV. We watched Sweeney Todd fro AppleTV, which is a particularly good HD-transfer on a 50" plasma, and my friend's evaluation was that this convinced him he was not going to replace all his DVDs with blu-ray versions. ...

There is a big chance that even blu-ray is not going to dominate the HD movie market because of downloadable HD contents. Apple TV is a good example, and I'm astonished by the results compared to blu-ray (Playstation 3) on my B&O setup (BV4 50" / Beosystem 3).

I received an announcement for Germany's B&O dealers where the discontinuation of the DVD 2 was announced. They also announced that a blu-ray replacement for DVD 2 is not planned. Instead, the support of namable blu-ray producers, based on regular updates, is scheduled for the future. However I don't know what a "PUC solution" is. Does anybody have an idea ?

I find it rather  disappointing that B&O still has no concept for integrating blu-ray players into their own products. A DVD 2 updated with a blu-ray drive would be a logic continuation of the product line. The combination of a Hard-disc and DVD recorder is advantageous. I love the design of the DVD 2 in combination with the Beosystem 3 and I would prefer to build my future B&O acquisitions on this design line.

Flappo The Grate:

that must be america , you're always years ahead of us lot in the uk

why they're dragging their feet over here with apple is beyond me 

 

You can get an US account for iTunes and get full access to the world of Apple TV. 

It's worth noting that while you can rent HD movies on Apple TV, you can only purchase movies in SD on Apple TV.

The introduction of a B&O Blu-Ray player will bring with it one very interesting characteristic: the need for frequent firmware updates. Blu-Ray players by their very nature require that the firmware be updated periodically to keep up with updates to the DRM. An ethernet or wireless internet connection incorporated into a B&O Blu-Ray player would finally eliminate or at least minimize the costly software/firmware updates that have required a house call by a certified B&O technician. 

that is a very good point

why don't bno allow internet based software updates like other companies do ? 

I dislike the entire Blu-ray format. Had a Pioneer Blu-ray player on trial some months ago -- took miiiiinnnnnuuuuuutttttteeeeeeesssssss to just get going, slow and unpredictable, lots of DRM checks and balances. Me no like at all. Have tried others, and while access times have improved I think that these formats are simply not catching on, and that the movie studios are taking a hard look at downloads instead.

Why? Because the downloaders name is embedded in the movie file you buy/rent, Which means that if it's illegally copied, they know which door to knock on, and that's very attractive to them, while Blu-ray disks are just as prone to be illegally copied as DVDs - and as the above poster states, the only solution is frequent firmware updates. I'm not going to be bothered. Could be my eyes - 1080i does it for me, as long as I'm not using a projector and a very large screen.
 

i use a ps3 and it's amazing 

 very fast operation , plus it has wifi so updates are easy

oh and it plays a mean call of duty 4 online too !!

picture quality on a good blu ray is stunning ( got die hard 4 today and it was like buying a new pair of eyeballs ) plus it upscales dvd's to a really good level !