Hi,

I'm considering to buy a Beocenter 9000 in nearly perfect condition (looks like new). I don't realy need it as I have far enough audio equipment... but it looks simply great ;-)

My question is - as it is a realy old system - is there an opportunity to integrate a Beocenter 9000 into a Masterlink enviroment?

What is a good price for a used Beocenter 9000?

The sad fact is that although many Beocenter 9000's look like new, they all have a problem area. The CD servo board will undoubtedly fail sooner rather than later due to capacitor problems and the CD clamping mechanism will fail due to disintegration of a tiny unobtainable piece of plastic!

So, if it wasn't for the CD they would be a good buy!!!

I have never tried it but a Beolink converter type 1611 should enable the Beocenter 9000 to communicate with a ML system.

Personally, I would not pay more than £100 as, if all else fails,you can flog the 2 glass panels and get your money back!!

Had my old Beocenter 9000 conncted through a Beolink converter to my BV3-32. One limitation I found was that you cannot set the Beocenter to Option 0. Or any other Option for that matter. So you got double commands when using the remote. Not sure if there was a later S.W. revision to cure this.

Craig

I have one connected to an Avant via the convertor box with speakers connected to the Avant and it all plays fine through the ML link.

The Beocenter 9000s asking price is 600 Euro.

I'm a little confused about that CD servo board and plastic piece... is the tiny little plastic piece s.th. I could easily fix with spare parts from another CD player?

Now I'm unsure... 

Seems expensive to me - I would get the 9500.

TWG:

The Beocenter 9000s asking price is 600 Euro.

I'm a little confused about that CD servo board and plastic piece... is the tiny little plastic piece s.th. I could easily fix with spare parts from another CD player?

Now I'm unsure... 

500 Euro's too much IMO.

The small plastic part is what holds the CD in place & is no longer available. I think B&O only used it in this model so no other CD player in the range has it. The CD servo board is also only used in this model & failures have been documented many times on the forum.

I agree with Peter - you can get a 9500 for the same money (probably even less) which is a much better buy.

Chris.

I agree with Graham, Peter and Chris though most faults to these are actually easily fixed.
The CD clamp may be an exception but the CD servo board can usually be repaired
fairly easy and cheap.
I normally try to steer clear of advicing regarding value but the price you mention
do sound a little higher than what most of these seem to go for.
Having said that, it's a beautiful system and it's worth what you are ready to pay.

The Beocenter 9500 is slightly newer than the 9000 but within recent years it too has
started to show CD reader faults (more than 95% of them fixable).
Stuck sliding doors and slipping belts, the cassette belts falling off, cracked solder
joints at the voltage regulators, bad muting relay, lose glass panels.
As with most things, there are many standard issues but all fixable.

I once started looking in to the Beocenter 9000 CD clamp but never cam up with a good fix.

Playstation, Discman and laptop CDrom drive clamps of different types have been tried without much success.
Maybe a reproduction of this part would be the way to go.

Martin

Dillen:

The Beocenter 9500 is slightly newer than the 9000 but within recent years it too has
started to show CD reader faults (more than 95% of them fixable).
Stuck sliding doors and slipping belts, the cassette belts falling off, cracked solder
joints at the voltage regulators, bad muting relay, lose glass panels.
As with most things, there are many standard issues but all fixable.

I once started looking in to the Beocenter 9000 CD clamp but never cam up with a good fix.

Playstation, Discman and laptop CDrom drive clamps of different types have been tried without much success.
Maybe a reproduction of this part would be the way to go.

Martin

The 9500 exhibits most of the same faults as the 9000 as most of the components mentioned are common to all models in the range.

The exception is the CD clamping mechanism which is peculiar to the 9000. If the OP buys a 9000 and the plastic widget breaks up on the day after, he is left with a very pretty but large and expensive cassette radio.

There is no prospect, in the short to medium term, of an alternative being found or produced and it is unfair to state otherwise.

In the last 12 months I have scrapped at least 6 perfectly good 9000's for want of a 10p plastic widget. We have to face facts, the 9000 is as good as useless if you cannot play CD's.

There has to be a result for these... 

If S(t)onk is following this thread... I believe he made mention of considering working up a fix???

I would be happy to give it a go... I just don't have a 9000... or more importantly, the part in question!

I'd bet a cold beer that this can be solved.

OP: 600 in any currency is too strong (except USD, of course! ).

burantek:

There has to be a result for these... 

If S(t)onk is following this thread... I believe he made mention of considering working up a fix???

I would be happy to give it a go... I just don't have a 9000... or more importantly, the part in question!

I'd bet a cold beer that this can be solved.

OP: 600 in any currency is too strong (except USD, of course! ).

Several people have made mention of reproducing the part in question. Nothing as yet!!

Why not??? Because the volume is so small that it would end up so expensive that nobody will pay!

The part in question, unless you can find a new one, is almost impossible to remove in one piece and you end up with yet another cassette radio!

Of course, any problem can be solved if you thow enough money at it but with the majority of threads on the forum championing how little that the poster has paid for certain items or complaining that B&O in general is too expensive, I hardly think that is going to happen!!!

I would love to see the infamous part - even if it's broken in two pieces.

There are ways to reproduce plastic parts without the need to resort to expensive injection moulding. If this part is intricate then it probably can't be done but if it's a fairly simple item then it might be worth a go. Nothing for financial gain but purely something to do while she watches Desperate Housewives/Sox in the City/Lost etc.

If anyone has the broken part and can send it to me to study I'd appreciate it. You'd get it back plus one of the results if successful.

I'm glad to have this forum and you people!

Thank you for your answers and help - and congratulations to myself that I asked you BEFORE I buy it

What should be a good price for a Beocenter 9000 or should I go with another piece of equpiment?
In my personal opinion the Beocenter 9000 looks better because of the matt finish (I don't like the polished surface on the 9500).

Oh Graham... It is not the mountain, but the climb!

Sonk... I agree!

T.W.G... You may always find someone willing to swap panels with you?

I'm sure the 9300 had the matt finish (often upgraded to the mirror panels) though I may be wrong. The 9300 is the newer and last of this wonderful Beocenters and prices in the UK range from £350 to £700 from a second life dealer with warranty. Beo4Life (Joeyboygolf) is currently selling one but doubt if they ship abroad.

Stonk:

I'm sure the 9300 had the matt finish (often upgraded to the mirror panels) though I may be wrong. The 9300 is the newer and last of this wonderful Beocenters and prices in the UK range from £350 to £700 from a second life dealer with warranty. Beo4Life (Joeyboygolf) is currently selling one but doubt if they ship abroad.

 

Most 9300's had the polished panels until the last 2 years or so of production when the design changed to matt panels and no white stripe round the perimeter. Also of significance is the CD mechanism which changed about that time to the more modern CDM12 linear laser as used in modern Ouverture derivatives.

A significant proportion of our business is "abroad" and Germany is no problem. I currently have a matt finish 9300 for sale.

Stonk:

I would love to see the infamous part - even if it's broken in two pieces.

Me too! when it comes to bodging rectifying & or reproducing otherwise obsolete parts it is the sort of thing myself & Stonk relish

Chris.

Medogsfat:

Stonk:

I would love to see the infamous part - even if it's broken in two pieces.

Me too! when it comes to bodging rectifying & or reproducing otherwise obsolete parts it is the sort of thing myself & Stonk relish

Chris.

Me too Don't actually have the tools, but I strongly suspect it could be turned out of nylon, or something.

But the plastic piece is only part of the problem. I'm afraid that when it breaks, approximately 97.4% of people lose the spring that belongs to it... and was there still some more tiny bits that belong to the construction?

Yes, there is a circular pastic split ring fitted inside the spring.

tournedos:

approximately 97.4% of people lose the spring

That's very precisely approximate

Graham wrote:

"Of course, any problem can be solved if you thow enough money at it but with the
majority of threads on the forum championing how little that the poster has paid
for certain items or complaining that B&O in general is too expensive, I hardly think
that is going to happen!!!"

You have a point here.

The same was the case with the Beogram 6006/8000 tangential decks with the
common tachodisc problem. The Beograms sold for next to nothing as a repair was deemed impossible.
I had new discs made. It was a costly process but I've noticed that the going rate
for those Beograms went up, even for a defective one.
Actually some owners paid more for the tachodisc than they did for the deck itself but
a fully working and serviced tangential Beogram is worth considerably more than a broken one
and with that in mind, it is a justified investment.

If the CD clamp could be reproduced (and I'm sure it can), it will not be a 5p part and
the same pattern will show, I'm sure.
Even if some functions on the Beocenter 9000 can still be used with the CD player out of order (the Beogram
with a bad tachodisc was useless), the Beocenter 9000 will probably then see a price rise as well since it is
a very nice and classic piece with lots of fans.
But of course, that would spoil the bargains people make and like to tell the world about.

Martin

if the plastic part is not too complicated I could imagine, that any talented modelbuilder could "clone" this part with resin or other synthetic materials!?Does anybody have a photo of the thing we're talking about?

Graham,

How can the capacitor issues on the CD section be overcome? I've just been given a BC9000 and the CD player indeed has some issues, it takes the CD, starts spinning and stops right after to re-open the sliding door...

Don't know whether this is due to the well-known cap. issue or to something else, though..

The fact that the cd is spinning would indicate that your issue is something other than the normal capacitor(s).

joeyboygolf:

Dillen:

The Beocenter 9500 is slightly newer than the 9000 but within recent years it too has
started to show CD reader faults (more than 95% of them fixable).
Stuck sliding doors and slipping belts, the cassette belts falling off, cracked solder
joints at the voltage regulators, bad muting relay, lose glass panels.
As with most things, there are many standard issues but all fixable.

I once started looking in to the Beocenter 9000 CD clamp but never cam up with a good fix.

Playstation, Discman and laptop CDrom drive clamps of different types have been tried without much success.
Maybe a reproduction of this part would be the way to go.

Martin

 

The 9500 exhibits most of the same faults as the 9000 as most of the components mentioned are common to all models in the range.

The exception is the CD clamping mechanism which is peculiar to the 9000. If the OP buys a 9000 and the plastic widget breaks up on the day after, he is left with a very pretty but large and expensive cassette radio.

There is no prospect, in the short to medium term, of an alternative being found or produced and it is unfair to state otherwise.

In the last 12 months I have scrapped at least 6 perfectly good 9000's for want of a 10p plastic widget. We have to face facts, the 9000 is as good as useless if you cannot play CD's.

Is it possible to purchase a 9000 that you are going to scrap?