Hello

mabey somebody hase experience whit this
 
i went to the store and watched a movie first whit
2xbl8000(second time whit 2xbl 9)
1xbl 2
1x7.2
2xbl6000
 
The sound was great just if i was in the movie both of the set-up was great
 
then i listened the same movie on
2xbl 5
1xbl 7.2
2xbl 6000
 
the sound was very clear and pure but there was missing something it was the bl2 i didnt get the
movie experience (also the staff heard it for the first time)
then we added the bl 2 dirrectly to the bv9 but we didnt heard anything
then we connected the bl2 directly to the bl5 but we didnt heard any difrents than before
then in the set-up menu we only changed the name of bl5 to bl9
an then the bl2 get signal and the sound was perfect
do you have some experience whit this

I'd be amazed if the BL2 added anything at all to the (correctly setup) BL5's - in fact I would think it would actually spoil the reproduction.

My only advice would be to check all settings on the BV9 and BL5 calibration - something definitely appears adrift!

Yeah, there's no way you really need a BL2 with the BL5s! Indeed, it's superfluous with the BL9s, I found.

I think the subwoofer output will be disabled, when you assign the front speaker outputs to BL5. LFE channel will be routed to the front speakers - to BL5. If you were missing bass on the BL5 maybe the speakers were not correctly calibrated...(?)

Stefan

Hello stefan

when you use bl5 the subwoofer output is disabled and the signal goes to the

bl5 but i t was not so great as a bl2 maybe they did something wrong in the store

Puncher:

I'd be amazed if the BL2 added anything at all to the (correctly setup) BL5's - in fact I would think it would actually spoil the reproduction.

My only advice would be to check all settings on the BV9 and BL5 calibration - something definitely appears adrift!

Also the staff was amezed and didint understand it but when we added the bl2 with the bl5 and we changed in the settings menu

only the name of the bl5 into bl9 we heard the bl2 the sound was great

nisrani:

Puncher:

I'd be amazed if the BL2 added anything at all to the (correctly setup) BL5's - in fact I would think it would actually spoil the reproduction.

My only advice would be to check all settings on the BV9 and BL5 calibration - something definitely appears adrift!

 

 

Also the staff was amezed and didint understand it but when we added the bl2 with the bl5 and we changed in the settings menu

only the name of the bl5 into bl9 we heard the bl2 the sound was great

As said earlier don't expect to hear the BL2 if BL5's are selected in the menu.

My guess at the reason - "Also the staff was amezed and didint understand it...................."

If this can happen, it kind of makes you wonder how many incorrectly set up home cinemas there are in B&O owners' homes?

maybe you can try it some where and hear the diffrents maybe the bl 5 is supreme in stereand in 5.1 they don t get

the right signal to preform

nisrani:

maybe you can try it some where and hear the diffrents maybe the bl 5 is supreme in stereand in 5.1 they don t get

the right signal to preform

No - I'm sure there are many satisfied BL5 owners here (not me unfortunately) who will testify to their outstanding performance in "5.1" mode (although the .1 isn't really there).

I feel pretty sure the problem you experienced was a set up issue - can you try again in a different dealer?

Hello

i will try it in another store but i think the problem is they don t get realy the .1 signal

they are very good also with out the .1 signal but when you like to watch movies

you will hear the difrence

i thought maybe there is a solution to sent the.1 signal to the bl5 just like the bl2

nisrani:

Hello

i will try it in another store but i think the problem is they don t get realy the .1 signal

they are very good also with out the .1 signal but when you like to watch movies

you will hear the difrence

i thought maybe there is a solution to sent the.1 signal to the bl5 just like the bl2

I'm sure the x.1 signal does go to the BL5's in BL5 mode - the amps and bass drivers in the BL5's are so much more capable (and bigger) than the BL2. Why would B&O prevent the use of a BL2 with BL5's if there was a benefit to be had from the presence of the BL2 - it just doesn't make sense, if nothing else they could otherwise sell an additional £2K speaker alongside the £11K+ front pair.

 See how you feel after trying the other store.

nisrani:

maybe you can try it some where and hear the diffrents maybe the bl 5 is supreme in stereand in 5.1 they don t get

the right signal to preform

I have both, a surround setup with BL5 and a stereo setup with BL8000/BL2 and I can confirm the BL5 setup sounds great both in stereo (music) and 5.1. I also like my BL2 - it`s the best small "bass cabinet" I know - but the 5s go even deeper and sound more "naturel"....

So I`m sure something was wrong in the store.

Stefan

stefan:

nisrani:

maybe you can try it some where and hear the diffrents maybe the bl 5 is supreme in stereand in 5.1 they don t get

the right signal to preform

I have both, a surround setup with BL5 and a stereo setup with BL8000/BL2 and I can confirm the BL5 setup sounds great both in stereo (music) and 5.1. I also like my BL2 - it`s the best small "bass cabinet" I know - but the 5s go even deeper and sound more "naturel"....

So I`m sure something was wrong in the store.

Stefan

 

Hello so if you watch a movie whit bl8000 whit the bl2

you dont hear any diffrents when you listen it with the bl5 surround set up

in the store whit the bl2 it was more powerfull

can you try it

the bl5 sound more natural i also heard that in the store but the bl2 soundes much more powerfull

just like you get blowed away and i didnt had that whit only bl5 maybe something was wrong

nisrani:

stefan:

nisrani:

maybe you can try it some where and hear the diffrents maybe the bl 5 is supreme in stereand in 5.1 they don t get

the right signal to preform

I have both, a surround setup with BL5 and a stereo setup with BL8000/BL2 and I can confirm the BL5 setup sounds great both in stereo (music) and 5.1. I also like my BL2 - it`s the best small "bass cabinet" I know - but the 5s go even deeper and sound more "naturel"....

So I`m sure something was wrong in the store.

Stefan

 

 

Hello so if you watch a movie whit bl8000 whit the bl2

you dont hear any diffrents when you listen it with the bl5 surround set up

in the store whit the bl2 it was more powerfull

can you try it

the bl5 sound more natural i also heard that in the store but the bl2 soundes much more powerfull

just like you get blowed away and i didnt had that whit only bl5 maybe something was wrong

The BL5's should completely blow away the BL8000/BL2 combination by a good margin - try in a different store!

The BL5s, when correctly set up, accept and handle the .1 signal excellently, and in a far superior way from the BL2.

They are specifically designed to precisely respond to every little flutter in an LFE signal.
In my setup, I have movies where the walls are literally breathing when the ooomphs and explosions go off. While the BL2 is a good sub, the BL5s are outstanding subs.
I believe the driver in the BL2 is a 9" unit, the sub-drivers in the BL5s are 2x15", propelled by 1000W amp's, with a throw that moves 1,8l of air with each pulse, and because of the design, the woofer is cracking sharp and distinct.

So, it's a setup issue, and the dealer should sit down with the manual and get it fixed. (BTW - this isn't the first time in here that people report "liking the BL2 better" so I guess this isn't the only dealer getting it wrong.

I'm not familiar with the BeoSystem 3 LFE assignment, but pretty certain that's where the problem is.

soundproof:

The BL5s, when correctly set up, accept and handle the .1 signal excellently, and in a far superior way from the BL2.

They are specifically designed to precisely respond to every little flutter in an LFE signal.
In my setup, I have movies where the walls are literally breathing when the ooomphs and explosions go off. While the BL2 is a good sub, the BL5s are outstanding subs.
I believe the driver in the BL2 is a 9" unit, the sub-drivers in the BL5s are 2x15", propelled by 1000W amp's, with a throw that moves 1,8l of air with each pulse, and because of the design, the woofer is cracking sharp and distinct.

So, it's a setup issue, and the dealer should sit down with the manual and get it fixed. (BTW - this isn't the first time in here that people report "liking the BL2 better" so I guess this isn't the only dealer getting it wrong.

I'm not familiar with the BeoSystem 3 LFE assignment, but pretty certain that's where the problem is.

Can it be that the (almost uncontrolled) "boom and rumble" characteristics of the BL2, relative to the BL5, can be interpreted as preferable? 

Possibly.  A glance at the spec sheet will show that in bass extension, the BL2 is 'average' and the BL5 is outstanding.  True bass infrasonics, i.e. bass that goes below 20hz, is the province of top tier subs, amongst which the BL5, whilst being a full range speaker, can compete with the very best.

What marks it out is it's ability to play to very low levels ( > 15 hz) and do so with low distortion and high output (<115db)  That is rare enough in a dedictated 'high end' sub, let alone a full range speaker.

Conversely, most subs play hard around 30 - 50 hz, which is where a lot of the boom and bang occurs in movies; however for true bass infrasonics with wall and trouser flapping bass, the BL5's will reign supreme.

HTH

Best

John...

Can it be that the (almost uncontrolled) "boom and rumble" characteristics of the BL2, relative to the BL5, can be interpreted as preferable? 

what do you mean by this that the boom and rumble from the bl2 is stronger than the bl5

i want to buy one of these set-up and not that i later regrete it

thanks

The BL2 is less precise than the BL5. The motor that moves the diaphragm of the speaker (the throw of the speaker) is not as fast and precise as the BL5s. Therefore, in portions of a soundtrack where there's a lot of information, the BL2 will interpret this as one WHUMP, where the BL5s will properly decode it, to let you hear what you would hear in a good cinema, with a starting blast, the explosion itself, the aftermath (exaggerating a little, but it's the principle).

Just to move a similar amount of air (though not as efficiently as a pair of BL5s), you would probably need eight BL2s.

I think your dealer failed to do one of the following:

1. Correctly specify where the LFE signal should go, in a setup without a separate subwoofer and with BL5s as front speakers.

2. Correctly identify which version of the movie's soundtrack should be played.

3. Correctly specify the boundaries of the LFE signal (the crossover point) in the processing.

4. Had Dynamic Response limitation engaged, when the BL5s were connected. Probably "night listening" mode, without bass.

Anyone disappointed by the BL5s bass response in movies (when properly set up) would probably need to wire individual sticks of dynamite to their sound system and set those off at each explosion.

I would concur.  I've heard BL5's setup with BL9's as surrounds and BL3's as back surrounds, on Bluray, and without doubt the sound was amongst the very finest, if not THE finest home theatre sound I've ever heard.

I particularly agree with the dynamite analogy...

Best Regards

John....

I can absolutely empathize with Nisrani's quest here, though. I have had a number of strange experiences in B&O stores, with equipment that was not correctly set up. My "favourite" being the store where a pair of BL5s had pride of place, and both were playing the left channel signal.

If B&O wasn't so busy covering all the bases, and therefore ending up indistinct, it would have plugged and plugged the advantages of acoustic lens playback in home movies, in a setup as that described by Beoboiinoz (though BL9s are probably overkill for the side surrounds, BL3s will do). But because B&O probably still makes a lot of money from their column speakers, they haven't gone the distance on the advantages of active amplification/acoustic lenses/integrated subwoofers in front speakers.

B&O could have stood out from the competition by stating that their acoustic lens/active speakers solution reduces clutter and the number of units you require, while significantly improving the sound, and providing encompassing and involving, realistic surround sound experiences. B&O could even have created a setting in their processors where you could eliminate the center speaker, if you had BL5s left and right, because the acoustic lenses of those do such a good job of creating a phantom centre.

But probably the greatest benefit is that you get two integrated subwoofers, without having to have one or more additional boxes in the room, and that these subwoofers add to the perspective of the experiences. While it's true that we can't precisely tell where a subwoofer is located in the room, for its frequencies alone, the other speakers also contain information relevant to the subwoofer's sound (a percussionist in a symphony orchestra will produce a Whump on the kettle drums, but there's also information in the upper frequencies, coming through the other speaker drivers, and that helps us locate the sound. With two subwoofers (as in the BL5s/BL9s) you get added realism, as the subwoofer signal seems to come from different locations in the room, as the perspective is described by the mid/upper frequencies, and the subwoofer adds a wallop below. Very nice.

So, Nisrani - I feel you should shop with your ears, and go with the experience that you are the most comfortable with, but do tell your dealer that something is wrong in the setup, because it shouldn't even be a competition between the two alternatives.

You talk of creating a Phantom Centre, this is something I'm hoping AST will be able to do, and that includes for off-axis listening (although you wouldn't be able to have more than one listening position at a time in theory).

soundproof:

The BL5s, when correctly set up, accept and handle the .1 signal excellently, and in a far superior way from the BL2.

They are specifically designed to precisely respond to every little flutter in an LFE signal.
In my setup, I have movies where the walls are literally breathing when the ooomphs and explosions go off. While the BL2 is a good sub, the BL5s are outstanding subs.
I believe the driver in the BL2 is a 9" unit, the sub-drivers in the BL5s are 2x15", propelled by 1000W amp's, with a throw that moves 1,8l of air with each pulse, and because of the design, the woofer is cracking sharp and distinct.

So, it's a setup issue, and the dealer should sit down with the manual and get it fixed. (BTW - this isn't the first time in here that people report "liking the BL2 better" so I guess this isn't the only dealer getting it wrong.

I'm not familiar with the BeoSystem 3 LFE assignment, but pretty certain that's where the problem is.

what do you mean by LFE signal

nisrani:

soundproof:

The BL5s, when correctly set up, accept and handle the .1 signal excellently, and in a far superior way from the BL2.

They are specifically designed to precisely respond to every little flutter in an LFE signal.
In my setup, I have movies where the walls are literally breathing when the ooomphs and explosions go off. While the BL2 is a good sub, the BL5s are outstanding subs.
I believe the driver in the BL2 is a 9" unit, the sub-drivers in the BL5s are 2x15", propelled by 1000W amp's, with a throw that moves 1,8l of air with each pulse, and because of the design, the woofer is cracking sharp and distinct.

So, it's a setup issue, and the dealer should sit down with the manual and get it fixed. (BTW - this isn't the first time in here that people report "liking the BL2 better" so I guess this isn't the only dealer getting it wrong.

I'm not familiar with the BeoSystem 3 LFE assignment, but pretty certain that's where the problem is.

 

 

what do you mean by LFE signal

LFE = Low Frequency Effects

http://www.dolby.com/uploadedFiles/zz-_Shared_Assets/English_PDFs/Professional/38_LFE.pdf

The article linked above distinguishes between the LFE channel and the subwoofer output from your decoder (they are not necessarily the same) - it says -

It is possible for a program to contain an LFE channel, but a decoder may provide no subwoofer output because all of the bass information in the program,

including the LFE channel, can be reproduced by the main speakers.

This is the case with the BL5's.