You will love this! To comply with new regulations which say that products have to be able to be switched completely off, the Beocenter 2 and a number of other products will have a switch put into the mains lead. However this is the only modification so that if you use it and you have a PIN code active, the system will need to have the PIN code entered each time. The BS9000 is slightly better favoured by getting the red button back! 

Wow, so my 10 yr old BS 9000 is going to look just like the new ones! Excellent!

Why would we love this?? Is it irony or are you serious?? The red button on the BS9000 is a design disaster and a thorn in my eye. I loved when they were able to remove it because of the change in regulations a few years back, and now they're changing it again... 

Irony or sarcasm, I'm sure

Not always obvious in written word and across languages/cultures (speaking from experience, unfortunately)...

Stan

This is just regular EU practice - the bureucrats see a problem, issue a regulation, the regulation is satisfied by a feature that costs money but nobody will ever use, and everybody is happy.

tournedos:

the bureucrats see a problem, issue a regulation, the regulation is satisfied by a feature that costs money but nobody will ever use, and everybody is happy.

... you left out: bureaucrats get re-elected, bureaucrats happy, everyone else unhappy ...

This is all a strike of global-warming is it not?

Well, I invite the explanations of the freak weather we are having all around the world right now, but I'm sure it's all due to global warming. Or should this winter be called, "global freezing"?!

The PIN code seems to be more of a hassle than repellant... As was mentioned a few days ago, the PIN isn't really going to repulse burglars, what's the odds of them knowing about it? Sure we can get some enjoyment knowing most likely no-one can use our stolen goods, but it doesn't exactly help once your home has been destroyed/violated... 

This is all a strike of global-warming is it not?

Well, I invite the explanations of the freak weather we are having all around the world right now, but I'm sure it's all due to global warming. Or should this winter be called, "global freezing"?!

The PIN code seems to be more of a hassle than repellant... As was mentioned a few days ago, the PIN isn't really going to repulse burglars, what's the odds of them knowing about it? Sure we can get some enjoyment knowing most likely no-one can use our stolen goods, but it doesn't exactly help once your home has been destroyed/violated... 

It's unfortunate that the politicians have been persuaded to focus on the idea that TVs etc left on standby waste a lot of power. It's really a tiny tiny proportion of the power demand. B&O products generally only consume 0.25 to 1W on standby. Also, power dissipated as heat from appliances left on or or on standby is not wasted during the winter months: it contributes to the heating requirement of a property so your thermostat will result in a corresponding power reduction from your central heating boiler.

If you have PIN protected B&O equipment it really is too much hassle to have to keep re-entering the PIN.

Graham

It was irony or sarcasim . Now the typical question as to which Mk version may not be as distinguishable simply because of the red power button. 

bayerische:

global warming

Australia today ... Ceduna 42C at the moment and places you are more familiar with (right across the continent):

• Adelaide 37C now 41C later
• Brisbane 29C now 30C later
• Canberra 31C now 33C later
• Darwin 32C now 32C later
• Hobart 18C now 23C later
• Melbourne 32C now 34C later
• Perth 31C now 32C later
• Sydney 29C now 31C later

elephant:

bayerische:

global warming

we are scheduled to hit 41C on Monday

 

Followed up by 29c in Melbourne on Tuesday and 21c on Wednesday, 26c Tuesday/Wednesday for Adelaide.

I know - crazy isn't it

vikinger:

If you have PIN protected B&O equipment it really is too much hassle to have to keep re-entering the PIN.

Graham

No law will say you actually have to USE the switch. It's just some stupid European regulation -- because of energy consumption, all new devices now have to have the ability to be switched off completely. (Sure, you can always pull the plug or hit the main breaker otherwise...)

I doubt they would be able to allocate the police force, peeping through every window to make sure you turn off the lights when you're NOT there, and let lightning strike you down when you left the TV on while you're on the toilet!

bayerische:

This is all a strike of global-warming is it not?

Well, I invite the explanations of the freak weather we are having all around the world right now, but I'm sure it's all due to global warming. Or should this winter be called, "global freezing"?!  

...depends on your religion I suppose.  Is somebodies imaginary global warming god better someone elses global cooling god?

Me...I think it is just another one of those diversionary tactics by the powers that be to get us all obsessed with this GW/CC/AGW bandwagon.....while they think up the next mind-control thing.

I would also like to imagine that the total eneregy required to add these extra components (and lets face it they will all come like that soon) to electrical equipment will be greater than the energy saved.

Mad world.

10%

Stan:

Irony or sarcasm, I'm sure

Not always obvious in written word and across languages/cultures (speaking from experience, unfortunately)...

Stan

Thank God. I wasn't sure and it is often hard to read sarcasm without smilies and such, but I had a feeling that Peter was just being funny

I read somewhere once that by powering off and on products that are meant to be left in standby you reduce the life of the product due to the constant surges of power rather than a continuos stream - don't know how true that is but it would surely contribute to greater energy requirements to make new products and dispose of the old one.  I leave mine on standby unless I'm going away.

elephant:

we are scheduled to hit 41C on Monday

 

And Sweden has -41 C.

Don't know what I prefer.

bayerische:

The PIN code seems to be more of a hassle than repellant... As was mentioned a few days ago, the PIN isn't really going to repulse burglars, what's the odds of them knowing about it? Sure we can get some enjoyment knowing most likely no-one can use our stolen goods, but it doesn't exactly help once your home has been destroyed/violated... 

I can't find the article now, but I read since B&O started with pin code protection, thefts of B&O in Denmark had a huge decrease. It was at least well over 50%.

Daniel:

bayerische:

The PIN code seems to be more of a hassle than repellant... As was mentioned a few days ago, the PIN isn't really going to repulse burglars, what's the odds of them knowing about it? Sure we can get some enjoyment knowing most likely no-one can use our stolen goods, but it doesn't exactly help once your home has been destroyed/violated... 

 

I can't find the article now, but I read since B&O started with pin code protection, thefts of B&O in Denmark had a huge decrease. It was at least well over 50%.

Wow, that's great if it really is so.

On the other hand, what's the odds of a dane not knowing what B&O is? It's like a finn not knowing what Nokia is.

Mr10Percent:

I would also like to imagine that the total eneregy required to add these extra components (and lets face it they will all come like that soon) to electrical equipment will be greater than the energy saved.

Mad world.

10%

Think of all the time it took to engineer such a solution, all of the energy spent in marketing/advertising for it (printing folders, producing advertising clips on radio/TV), and we haven't even scratched the surface on all of the politicians that made this fluke happen in the first place!

I think I'll leave all of my light bulbs on tonight. The total energy it takes to research, develop, manufacture, advertise, package, and dispose of those 'energy saving' light bulbs will be orders of magnitude greater than me burning hundreds of Watts for a year long. It's the 'total cost of ownership' we're missing here -- people are buying a new flat-screen TV every 3 years, just because the old one doesn't support HD or because the neighbour has one too. What happens to all of the old units? How many tons of CO2 do you think we can save by manufacturing durable products that will last decades again, instead of years?

It's overconsumption we need to fix. Not the 3 Watts of excess energy wasted by leaving your VCR in standby, but the fact that some people buy a new VCR every year, or upgrade it for DVD, Bluray, Purple-Ray or whatever they'll figure out in the near future.

Ignoring the obvious conspiray theories and denials in this thread, I don't see what the problem is - besides the PIN-code reentering. It seems B&O are phasing out the pin code system with their new platform all together, and having the ability to shut it down hard doesn't mean it should be used. I guess you guys also prefer if your laptops didn't have a power off button, nor volume button and so on, as that can all be done by software.

It's a good thing  in general having a hardware shut off button: If nothing else, it removes the circuitry from the electrical grid.

The notion that the circuitry will be damaged by being shut down every night is blatantly false, unless you live in a highly corrosive environment (i.e. on a boat or straight to the sea with waves awash just beside you), and you tend to go from cold while being shut off to warm (indoors/below deck) and turn the thing on.

Stoney3K:

 It's the 'total cost of ownership' we're missing here -- people are buying a new flat-screen TV every 3 years, just because the old one doesn't support HD or because the neighbour has one too. What happens to all of the old units? How many tons of CO2 do you think we can save by manufacturing durable products that will last decades again, instead of years?

But there's no money in a product being up to date 10 years. And no funding for climate scientists.

I think computers and the pace of them getting faster/better has contributed to the trend across the board we are seeing now. Full HD TV... how long? Until the ones who theoretically can afford one has one, then it's "21:9" or "extreme HD" or "3D TV" or the next option. As long as you can tap people for money why not? It used to be only alcohol and cigarette manufacturers.

bayerische:

I think computers and the pace of them getting faster/better has contributed to the trend across the board we are seeing now. Full HD TV... how long? Until the ones who theoretically can afford one has one, then it's "21:9" or "extreme HD" or "3D TV" or the next option. As long as you can tap people for money why not? It used to be only alcohol and cigarette manufacturers.

The answer, of course, is educating the consumer, and if need be, force the hand of the manufacturers just like this hardware button, or just like having a cap on how much something can use in standby and so forth.

The market in itself cannot do it alone, so on one hand, we need someone to tell the manufacturers what to do, and on the other hand tell the consumer what to do, and - hopefully - in the process educate them to be more than numbwits going for the latest shiniest thing whether it's needed or not.

I have to say that I am a little bit confused by some opinions here. Saving energy is a "must", even when it starts with tiny little things like a power off button. Just think off the number off TV's in world if you would switch the off if unused....

I travel a lot and I am on the road most days of the week. Why should my hole entertainment system be on standby? With all the gear it is not just one TV any more, all my B&O gear with a power socket sum up to 18 devices on stand by all the time!

So I manually pull the plug of my BV3 with Beolabs in my office, I have a master/slave power socket for the media room (BS3 goes to stand by and all the rest is switched off, including the BL5 with disabled PINs ....)

But the BS9000 and BL2000 keep on going....but the worst device I own is the AppleTV, this is a "heater" to keep your tea warm all day long!