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  • 06-26-2008 8:16 PM In reply to

    Re: Sw 4.24 has now arrived for BV7-40/BS3/BV9

    Russ, what did you see it on? BV7/9/4?  Did you see any difference/improvement in the picture?

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  • 06-26-2008 9:20 PM In reply to

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    Re: Sw 4.24 has now arrived for BV7-40/BS3/BV9

    BV-4's and 7's.  Nothing sufficiently different that it jumped out at me.  Much like the slight let-down I experienced looking at the 1080p 65" compared to the 720p.  Incremental at most.  But then, I'm one of the guys not chomping at the bit for 24fps, HDMI 1.3 and the milk 'frother' attachment.

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    If it really kills the 'white flash' I'll be happy.

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  • 06-27-2008 9:42 AM In reply to

    Re: Sw 4.24 has now arrived for BV7-40/BS3/BV9

    I have just had my BV7-40 MarkIII upgraded with sw 4.24. I have tried some of my blu-raymovies which I know jerked before in the picture when the camera was panning the picture. I have now put the 24p-mode on in the blu ray player (Sony S-300).

    And it is a LARGE improvement. Now the picture when panning, is very smooth. And I checked what fprs the BV7 is running at. It is 48hz so it is REAL 24p and not just "support" for 24p (you can see that in the "custumer menu". B&O have done a VERY GREAT job at this software, and I dont see any white flashes anymore either.

    I am very happy with my Bv7 now. So guys, UPGRADE YOUR BV7/BS3/BV9 to get a real good picture when looking at bluray-movies.

    Regards
    Martin

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  • 06-27-2008 9:50 AM In reply to

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    Re: Sw 4.24 has now arrived for BV7-40/BS3/BV9

    Thanks Martin

    I'll ask my dealer to do the job.

    Cheers

    Quim

  • 06-27-2008 9:54 AM In reply to

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    Re: Sw 4.24 has now arrived for BV7-40/BS3/BV9

    martin01:

    And it is a LARGE improvement.

    I expected you'd say that. Good for you. Glad you see a massive improvement to your Blu-ray viewing experience with the update.

  • 06-27-2008 10:36 AM In reply to

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    Re: Sw 4.24 has now arrived for BV7-40/BS3/BV9

    martin01:

    I have just had my BV7-40 MarkIII upgraded with sw 4.24. I have tried some of my blu-raymovies which I know jerked before in the picture when the camera was panning the picture. I have now put the 24p-mode on in the blu ray player (Sony S-300).

    And it is a LARGE improvement. Now the picture when panning, is very smooth. And I checked what fprs the BV7 is running at. It is 48hz so it is REAL 24p and not just "support" for 24p (you can see that in the "custumer menu". B&O have done a VERY GREAT job at this software, and I dont see any white flashes anymore either.

    I am very happy with my Bv7 now. So guys, UPGRADE YOUR BV7/BS3/BV9 to get a real good picture when looking at bluray-movies.

    Regards
    Martin

    It´s not real 24p Martin.. "Real" 24p have 96fps and you need a 100Hz display to show that, so this is just a compromise and half the amount of fps you get of the real 24p (96fps) ...

    B&o have wrote this firmware by interpolate 24Hz x4 and then divide it with 2, now you have 48Hz..

    From the beginning the rumor was 25Hz x 4 /2 =50Hz .. Maybe the 48Hz preformed better in the end..

    Regards   

    BL8000 MkII Black

  • 06-27-2008 11:28 AM In reply to

    Re: Sw 4.24 has now arrived for BV7-40/BS3/BV9

    Hello

    I have had upgraded my BV7 yesterday. And I'm also satisfied with that 48 Hz solution. I have a playstation 3. Also this BRPlayer works very good with the BV 7, no jerking anymore:)

  • 06-28-2008 4:50 AM In reply to

    Re: Sw 4.24 has now arrived for BV7-40/BS3/BV9

    Hi, Fredrik. I´m not so sure if there is a definitin of what "real" 24p really is. What I meant was that BV7 just don´t "support" the 24p-signal, it shows it in a correct way too. I have been around in many stores in sweden that sells other brands of LCD-tv´s and tried with my sony BR-player. A lot of screens says that they handle 24p but they really dont do it. I have in these tests tried the panning-quality (jerks in the picture) and have put on and off the 24 p-signal. For now, B&O make the best 24p result! But of course, some people can not se these jerks in the picture. But there are a lot of guys in other Hifi-forum that can see this and I hate the jerks in the picture when looking at BR.

    For example: One of LG´s LCD-screens support 24p, but the screen just make a 3:2 pulldown (frames like 111 22 333 44 555 66 and so on...) and shows the picture in 60 hertz. I mean that when a screen can show the 24p-signal in 48/72/96 or 120 hertz it is "real" 24-p support. Real 24 p support shows the frames like: 11 22 33 44 55 66 77 and so on (48hz). 96hz shows it like 1111 2222 3333 4444 and so on. There is a risk of "artefacts" in the picture when you show 24p with 96hz or higher. Trust me, I have seen this in some 100-hz-screens I have tested and it´s not nice to see.

    Next: Then there are NO 100-hertz screens in the market. The "hertz" is dependable on what software there is in the picture-engine which drive the screen. There certainly some reason for B&O to choose 48hz instead of 96 or 120 hz. But it is not because the screen isn´t 100hertz. The old tube-tv:s had 100hz screens but flat-tv don´t.

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  • 06-28-2008 5:47 AM In reply to

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    Re: Sw 4.24 has now arrived for BV7-40/BS3/BV9

    martin01:

    Hi, Fredrik. I´m not so sure if there is a definitin of what "real" 24p really is. What I meant was that BV7 just don´t "support" the 24p-signal, it shows it in a correct way too. I have been around in many stores in sweden that sells other brands of LCD-tv´s and tried with my sony BR-player. A lot of screens says that they handle 24p but they really dont do it. I have in these tests tried the panning-quality (jerks in the picture) and have put on and off the 24 p-signal. For now, B&O make the best 24p result! But of course, some people can not se these jerks in the picture. But there are a lot of guys in other Hifi-forum that can see this and I hate the jerks in the picture when looking at BR.

    For example: One of LG´s LCD-screens support 24p, but the screen just make a 3:2 pulldown (frames like 111 22 333 44 555 66 and so on...) and shows the picture in 60 hertz. I mean that when a screen can show the 24p-signal in 48/72/96 or 120 hertz it is "real" 24-p support. Real 24 p support shows the frames like: 11 22 33 44 55 66 77 and so on (48hz). 96hz shows it like 1111 2222 3333 4444 and so on. There is a risk of "artefacts" in the picture when you show 24p with 96hz or higher. Trust me, I have seen this in some 100-hz-screens I have tested and it´s not nice to see.

    Next: Then there are NO 100-hertz screens in the market. The "hertz" is dependable on what software there is in the picture-engine which drive the screen. There certainly some reason for B&O to choose 48hz instead of 96 or 120 hz. But it is not because the screen isn´t 100hertz. The old tube-tv:s had 100hz screens but flat-tv don´t.

     

    Where have you bin dreaming about: "There are no 100Hz screens thing?" First you must have a panel that can handle or support 100Hertz / 120Hertz (or 100  waves per second) and then combine it with a picture-engine that can process the signal correctly. The Bv7 mk3 are just capable of displaying  up to 60Hz. Don´t u think B&o should have dunn a 96fps firmwear instead of 48 if they were able to...? The answer is Yes. And why do you think Bv7 MkIV are going to have a 100Hz picture clock and a 100hz supporting  panel, if the 48p soution is the the best? I can write a hole book about this, but as long you are satisfied with your set why arguing?  Ask perra1 moderator at www.component.se if you don´t trust me.. He is a Swedish ISF vision Guru, and have helped B&o to write the B&o picture algorithm and building chassie and more..

    In Swedish: TV-apparater uppdaterar sig med 50Hz (60Hz i usa), men eftersom ögat hinner uppfatta flimmret när TVen ska byta bild och börjat projektera en ny har man ofta dubblat till 100Hz, vilket leder till halverad tid med bytet av bilden.

    Ögats uppfattningsförmåga beror på om det är ljus eller mörker och vilka färger det är som dyker upp. Gröna färger uppfattas bland de snabbaste. Därför kan man inte påstå att ögat uppdaterar i något bestämt tal. Beroende på förutsättning är det fullt möjligt att uppfatta bilder som dyker upp i 1/200 sekund. Därav 200 förändringar per sekund.

     

    End of this disscussion?


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    Regards

     

    BL8000 MkII Black

  • 06-28-2008 5:47 AM In reply to

    • Beolab
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    Re: Sw 4.24 has now arrived for BV7-40/BS3/BV9

    martin01:

    Hi, Fredrik. I´m not so sure if there is a definitin of what "real" 24p really is. What I meant was that BV7 just don´t "support" the 24p-signal, it shows it in a correct way too. I have been around in many stores in sweden that sells other brands of LCD-tv´s and tried with my sony BR-player. A lot of screens says that they handle 24p but they really dont do it. I have in these tests tried the panning-quality (jerks in the picture) and have put on and off the 24 p-signal. For now, B&O make the best 24p result! But of course, some people can not se these jerks in the picture. But there are a lot of guys in other Hifi-forum that can see this and I hate the jerks in the picture when looking at BR.

    For example: One of LG´s LCD-screens support 24p, but the screen just make a 3:2 pulldown (frames like 111 22 333 44 555 66 and so on...) and shows the picture in 60 hertz. I mean that when a screen can show the 24p-signal in 48/72/96 or 120 hertz it is "real" 24-p support. Real 24 p support shows the frames like: 11 22 33 44 55 66 77 and so on (48hz). 96hz shows it like 1111 2222 3333 4444 and so on. There is a risk of "artefacts" in the picture when you show 24p with 96hz or higher. Trust me, I have seen this in some 100-hz-screens I have tested and it´s not nice to see.

    Next: Then there are NO 100-hertz screens in the market. The "hertz" is dependable on what software there is in the picture-engine which drive the screen. There certainly some reason for B&O to choose 48hz instead of 96 or 120 hz. But it is not because the screen isn´t 100hertz. The old tube-tv:s had 100hz screens but flat-tv don´t.

     

    Where have you bin dreaming about: "There are no 100Hz screens thing?" First you must have a panel that can handle or support 100Hertz / 120Hertz (or 100  waves per second) and then combine it with a picture-engine that can process the signal correctly. The Bv7 mk3 are just capable of displaying  up to 60Hz. Don´t u think B&o should have dunn a 96fps firmwear instead of 48 if they were able to...? The answer is Yes. And why do you think Bv7 MkIV are going to have a 100Hz picture clock and a 100hz supporting  panel, if the 48p soution is the the best? I can write a hole book about this, but as long you are satisfied with your set why arguing?  Ask perra1 moderator at www.component.se if you don´t trust me.. He is a Swedish ISF vision Guru, and have helped B&o to write the B&o picture algorithm and building chassie and more..

    In Swedish: TV-apparater uppdaterar sig med 50Hz (60Hz i usa), men eftersom ögat hinner uppfatta flimmret när TVen ska byta bild och börjat projektera en ny har man ofta dubblat till 100Hz, vilket leder till halverad tid med bytet av bilden.

    Ögats uppfattningsförmåga beror på om det är ljus eller mörker och vilka färger det är som dyker upp. Gröna färger uppfattas bland de snabbaste. Därför kan man inte påstå att ögat uppdaterar i något bestämt tal. Beroende på förutsättning är det fullt möjligt att uppfatta bilder som dyker upp i 1/200 sekund. Därav 200 förändringar per sekund.

     

    End of this disscussion?


    www.avsforum.com

    Regards

     

    BL8000 MkII Black

  • 06-28-2008 5:47 AM In reply to

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    Re: Sw 4.24 has now arrived for BV7-40/BS3/BV9

    martin01:

    Hi, Fredrik. I´m not so sure if there is a definitin of what "real" 24p really is. What I meant was that BV7 just don´t "support" the 24p-signal, it shows it in a correct way too. I have been around in many stores in sweden that sells other brands of LCD-tv´s and tried with my sony BR-player. A lot of screens says that they handle 24p but they really dont do it. I have in these tests tried the panning-quality (jerks in the picture) and have put on and off the 24 p-signal. For now, B&O make the best 24p result! But of course, some people can not se these jerks in the picture. But there are a lot of guys in other Hifi-forum that can see this and I hate the jerks in the picture when looking at BR.

    For example: One of LG´s LCD-screens support 24p, but the screen just make a 3:2 pulldown (frames like 111 22 333 44 555 66 and so on...) and shows the picture in 60 hertz. I mean that when a screen can show the 24p-signal in 48/72/96 or 120 hertz it is "real" 24-p support. Real 24 p support shows the frames like: 11 22 33 44 55 66 77 and so on (48hz). 96hz shows it like 1111 2222 3333 4444 and so on. There is a risk of "artefacts" in the picture when you show 24p with 96hz or higher. Trust me, I have seen this in some 100-hz-screens I have tested and it´s not nice to see.

    Next: Then there are NO 100-hertz screens in the market. The "hertz" is dependable on what software there is in the picture-engine which drive the screen. There certainly some reason for B&O to choose 48hz instead of 96 or 120 hz. But it is not because the screen isn´t 100hertz. The old tube-tv:s had 100hz screens but flat-tv don´t.

     

    Where have you bin dreaming about: "There are no 100Hz screens thing?" First you must have a panel that can handle or support 100Hertz / 120Hertz (or 100  waves per second) and then combine it with a picture-engine that can process the signal correctly. The Bv7 mk3 are just capable of displaying  up to 60Hz. Don´t u think B&o should have dunn a 96fps firmwear instead of 48 if they were able to...? The answer is Yes. And why do you think Bv7 MkIV are going to have a 100Hz picture clock and a 100hz supporting  panel, if the 48p soution is the the best? I can write a hole book about this, but as long you are satisfied with your set why arguing?  Ask perra1 moderator at www.component.se if you don´t trust me.. He is a Swedish ISF vision Guru, and have helped B&o to write the B&o picture algorithm and building chassie and more..

    In Swedish: TV-apparater uppdaterar sig med 50Hz (60Hz i usa), men eftersom ögat hinner uppfatta flimmret när TVen ska byta bild och börjat projektera en ny har man ofta dubblat till 100Hz, vilket leder till halverad tid med bytet av bilden.

    Ögats uppfattningsförmåga beror på om det är ljus eller mörker och vilka färger det är som dyker upp. Gröna färger uppfattas bland de snabbaste. Därför kan man inte påstå att ögat uppdaterar i något bestämt tal. Beroende på förutsättning är det fullt möjligt att uppfatta bilder som dyker upp i 1/200 sekund. Därav 200 förändringar per sekund.

     

    End of this disscussion?


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    Regards

     

    BL8000 MkII Black

  • 06-28-2008 5:47 AM In reply to

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    Re: Sw 4.24 has now arrived for BV7-40/BS3/BV9

    martin01:

    Hi, Fredrik. I´m not so sure if there is a definitin of what "real" 24p really is. What I meant was that BV7 just don´t "support" the 24p-signal, it shows it in a correct way too. I have been around in many stores in sweden that sells other brands of LCD-tv´s and tried with my sony BR-player. A lot of screens says that they handle 24p but they really dont do it. I have in these tests tried the panning-quality (jerks in the picture) and have put on and off the 24 p-signal. For now, B&O make the best 24p result! But of course, some people can not se these jerks in the picture. But there are a lot of guys in other Hifi-forum that can see this and I hate the jerks in the picture when looking at BR.

    For example: One of LG´s LCD-screens support 24p, but the screen just make a 3:2 pulldown (frames like 111 22 333 44 555 66 and so on...) and shows the picture in 60 hertz. I mean that when a screen can show the 24p-signal in 48/72/96 or 120 hertz it is "real" 24-p support. Real 24 p support shows the frames like: 11 22 33 44 55 66 77 and so on (48hz). 96hz shows it like 1111 2222 3333 4444 and so on. There is a risk of "artefacts" in the picture when you show 24p with 96hz or higher. Trust me, I have seen this in some 100-hz-screens I have tested and it´s not nice to see.

    Next: Then there are NO 100-hertz screens in the market. The "hertz" is dependable on what software there is in the picture-engine which drive the screen. There certainly some reason for B&O to choose 48hz instead of 96 or 120 hz. But it is not because the screen isn´t 100hertz. The old tube-tv:s had 100hz screens but flat-tv don´t.

     

    Where have you bin dreaming about: "There are no 100Hz screens thing?" First you must have a panel that can handle or support 100Hertz / 120Hertz (or 100  waves per second) and then combine it with a picture-engine that can process the signal correctly. The Bv7 mk3 are just capable of displaying  up to 60Hz. Don´t u think B&o should have dunn a 96fps firmwear instead of 48 if they were able to...? The answer is Yes. And why do you think Bv7 MkIV are going to have a 100Hz picture clock and a 100hz supporting  panel, if the 48p soution is the the best? I can write a hole book about this, but as long you are satisfied with your set why arguing?  Ask perra1 moderator at www.component.se if you don´t trust me.. He is a Swedish ISF vision Guru, and have helped B&o to write the B&o picture algorithm and building chassie and more..

    In Swedish: TV-apparater uppdaterar sig med 50Hz (60Hz i usa), men eftersom ögat hinner uppfatta flimmret när TVen ska byta bild och börjat projektera en ny har man ofta dubblat till 100Hz, vilket leder till halverad tid med bytet av bilden.

    Ögats uppfattningsförmåga beror på om det är ljus eller mörker och vilka färger det är som dyker upp. Gröna färger uppfattas bland de snabbaste. Därför kan man inte påstå att ögat uppdaterar i något bestämt tal. Beroende på förutsättning är det fullt möjligt att uppfatta bilder som dyker upp i 1/200 sekund. Därav 200 förändringar per sekund.

     

    End of this disscussion?


    www.avsforum.com

    Regards

     

    BL8000 MkII Black

  • 06-28-2008 5:47 AM In reply to

    • Beolab
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    Re: Sw 4.24 has now arrived for BV7-40/BS3/BV9

    martin01:

    Hi, Fredrik. I´m not so sure if there is a definitin of what "real" 24p really is. What I meant was that BV7 just don´t "support" the 24p-signal, it shows it in a correct way too. I have been around in many stores in sweden that sells other brands of LCD-tv´s and tried with my sony BR-player. A lot of screens says that they handle 24p but they really dont do it. I have in these tests tried the panning-quality (jerks in the picture) and have put on and off the 24 p-signal. For now, B&O make the best 24p result! But of course, some people can not se these jerks in the picture. But there are a lot of guys in other Hifi-forum that can see this and I hate the jerks in the picture when looking at BR.

    For example: One of LG´s LCD-screens support 24p, but the screen just make a 3:2 pulldown (frames like 111 22 333 44 555 66 and so on...) and shows the picture in 60 hertz. I mean that when a screen can show the 24p-signal in 48/72/96 or 120 hertz it is "real" 24-p support. Real 24 p support shows the frames like: 11 22 33 44 55 66 77 and so on (48hz). 96hz shows it like 1111 2222 3333 4444 and so on. There is a risk of "artefacts" in the picture when you show 24p with 96hz or higher. Trust me, I have seen this in some 100-hz-screens I have tested and it´s not nice to see.

    Next: Then there are NO 100-hertz screens in the market. The "hertz" is dependable on what software there is in the picture-engine which drive the screen. There certainly some reason for B&O to choose 48hz instead of 96 or 120 hz. But it is not because the screen isn´t 100hertz. The old tube-tv:s had 100hz screens but flat-tv don´t.

     

    Where have you bin dreaming about: "There are no 100Hz screens thing?" First you must have a panel that can handle or support 100Hertz / 120Hertz (or 100  waves per second) and then combine it with a picture-engine that can process the signal correctly. The Bv7 mk3 are just capable of displaying  up to 60Hz. Don´t u think B&o should have dunn a 96fps firmwear instead of 48 if they were able to...? The answer is Yes. And why do you think Bv7 MkIV are going to have a 100Hz picture clock and a 100hz supporting  panel, if the 48p soution is the the best? I can write a hole book about this, but as long you are satisfied with your set why arguing?  Ask perra1 moderator at www.component.se if you don´t trust me.. He is a Swedish ISF vision Guru, and have helped B&o to write the B&o picture algorithm and building chassie and more..

    In Swedish: TV-apparater uppdaterar sig med 50Hz (60Hz i usa), men eftersom ögat hinner uppfatta flimmret när TVen ska byta bild och börjat projektera en ny har man ofta dubblat till 100Hz, vilket leder till halverad tid med bytet av bilden.

    Ögats uppfattningsförmåga beror på om det är ljus eller mörker och vilka färger det är som dyker upp. Gröna färger uppfattas bland de snabbaste. Därför kan man inte påstå att ögat uppdaterar i något bestämt tal. Beroende på förutsättning är det fullt möjligt att uppfatta bilder som dyker upp i 1/100 sekund. Därav 100 förändringar per sekund.

     

    End of this discussion?


    www.avsforum.com

    Regards

     

    BL8000 MkII Black

  • 06-28-2008 6:24 AM In reply to

    Re: Sw 4.24 has now arrived for BV7-40/BS3/BV9

    I know all about what you are writing. But I don´t agree with you.

    I have some friends that own some of the Hifi-stores i Malmö and I have talked a lot with them about this subject. And they say that those screens out there today that are "100hz-screens" is not really 100hz-screens. They are 50/60 hz-screens but they have software that duble the framrate to 100hz. You maybe haven´t done tests with other lcd-screens in the market, but I have. I have done tests with about 10 different screens from samsung, Toshiba, Sony, philips and some more. In these tests you can se that in some screens you can put the "100hz"-thing OFF, and that because it is a software-thing and NOT a screen-thing. And many of the "100hz-screens" make a lot of artefacts when the picture is moving. Of course the picture dont jerk at all when this screens are in 100hz, but there are a lot of artefacts in the picture which is awful. B&O make the solution and make the software in 48hz and get rid of the artefacts and a pretty smooth panning when camera is moving.

    So, obviosly people (proffessionals) says different things about this issue. Maybe B&O will make a good 100hz-software in the future, but there are to much other things in the picture that maight go wrong with this today, thats why they choose to make it at 48hz.

    Yes, we can end this discussion if you want. But before you you say things, you schould do your homework, and some of this homework is to SEE what Bv7 really deliver and see what other brands do with this 24p-issue. Then you will se that B&O with their 48hz-solution is much better than others "100hz"-solution.

    Regards
    Martin

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  • 06-28-2008 8:42 AM In reply to

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    I have searched the internet for any article that might explain whether 100hz is  a panel/hardware issue or a processor/software issue. I can not find anything.

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  • 06-28-2008 9:12 AM In reply to

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    Hello

    The Display of the BV 7 MKIII is named: LTA400HS-LH2. If you google that, you find information about it's specification (resolution, brithtness etc). But there's nothing about the Herz. So, would'nt it be possible, that the Herz-Question is just a software one? I really hope so:)

  • 06-28-2008 9:26 AM In reply to

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    Martin's post here about how 48hz and 96hz display images does seem to match the explanations I have been able to find on the net, and does seem to make sense.

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  • 06-28-2008 12:39 PM In reply to

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    Re: Sw 4.24 has now arrived for BV7-40/BS3/BV9

    wallace:

    Hello

    The Display of the BV 7 MKIII is named: LTA400HS-LH2. If you google that, you find information about it's specification (resolution, brithtness etc). But there's nothing about the Herz. So, would'nt it be possible, that the Herz-Question is just a software one? I really hope so:)

    It tells you in the Service Menu that it's a 50Hz panel. Mine does, already checked. Bit difficult to find, but it is there and very clear. NO B&O BV7-40 has a 100Hz screen (yet).

  • 06-28-2008 12:44 PM In reply to

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    How do you find that info in the service menu?

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  • 06-28-2008 1:30 PM In reply to

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    Take A look at this video. About 30 seconds into it the speaker states that  LCDs already operate at 100hz or higher rates, and then explains what the new 100hz technology is. If LCDs already operate at 100hz or more, then isn't perhaps software and processing, not hardware?    Please Explain: 100Hz - TVs

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  • 06-28-2008 1:36 PM In reply to

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    Re: Sw 4.24 has now arrived for BV7-40/BS3/BV9

    Razlaw:
    Take A look at this video. About 30 seconds into it the speaker states that  LCDs already operate at 100hz or higher rates, and then explains what the new 100hz technology is. If LCDs already operate at 100hz or more, then isn't perhaps software and processing, not hardware?    Please Explain: 100Hz - TVs

    Yes, recent LCD TVs do, on the whole, operate as 100Hz as default. However, B&O use older and established panels and they are not 100Hz compatible. So, we're not watching a 100Hz display through any BV7-40. B&O themselves have already stated that they are working on 100Hz technology and we'd see this - but a B&O enhanced version - in a BV7-40 later this year or early next.

  • 06-28-2008 1:42 PM In reply to

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    Can you direct me to a web page or something that specifically and explicitly says that only certain panels will handle 100hz?  What do you base that statement on?  Also, when B and O says they are working on 100hz technology as you say, how do you know that means a panel and not the processor?  If I read your post correctly you are saying no LCDs a few years ago operated at 100hz, then they all started to, and now there is a second new technology of 100hz.  I am not disagreeing with you, I am just looking for something factual that explains it and supports either side of the debate. Thank you.

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  • 06-28-2008 4:40 PM In reply to

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    Re: Sw 4.24 has now arrived for BV7-40/BS3/BV9

    Razlaw:
    Can you direct me to a web page or something that specifically and explicitly says that only certain panels will handle 100hz?  What do you base that statement on?  Also, when B and O says they are working on 100hz technology as you say, how do you know that means a panel and not the processor?  If I read your post correctly you are saying no LCDs a few years ago operated at 100hz, then they all started to, and now there is a second new technology of 100hz.  I am not disagreeing with you, I am just looking for something factual that explains it and supports either side of the debate. Thank you.

    I'm not doing your homework for you. Search yourself. Search the B&O official forums. It's not a debate either. Listen to Beolab, 335F, Mr Anderson and The Stig and you'll leave much wiser.

    355F, care to add to this discussion?

  • 06-28-2008 5:03 PM In reply to

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    removed

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  • 06-29-2008 12:03 AM In reply to

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    Wallace and Martin, I agree with you. It appears to me that 100hz may just be a software issue. Here is why.
    There are two numbers to look at, response time and cycle time. Cycle time is how many times a second the image is refreshed, thus a 60hz image refreshes 60 times a second. Response time is how long it takes to refresh.   At 60hz, refreshing will require 16.7ms and at 50hz  20ms. At 120 hz a refresh rate of 8ms is required. See the following article.               LCD Discussion 
    Thus it is as a mathematical matter capable of refreshing 120 times a second, the very definition of 120hz.
    The fact that it does not do it would not seem to be a physical function then of the panel, but a software/processing function.
    So if the BV7-40 panel can refresh 120 times a second, why is it unable to provide 100hz if it had the software and/or a picture engine that supported 100hz? 

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