BeoSound 5 Forum

Re: What to do now???

Affineur — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:48:43 GMT

RussR,

I agree and that is one of the reasons that I have Apple TV and now Time Capsule. Leading a digital life requires that back-up(s) be present. It is somewhat analogous to insurance on a house, not something you would go without. The automaticity of Time Capsule is nice and may be a good solution for many who do not want to remember to regularly back-up their discs. Between the two MacBook Pros (mine and my wife's), Apple TV, and Time Capsule I have four back-ups of the media, two each of personal stuff, and one of everything (Time Capsule) which is automatic and entirely up-to-date. Perhaps a little overkill... but then again.....

Re: What to do now???

Russ — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:42:54 GMT

Perhaps I'm being a bit thick here, the coffee is still kicking in this Sunday....

Despite our wants, desires and expectations the BM-5 is not a stand-alone item. An 'administrating' computer is required. As we all know, Apple doesn't supply a method for ripping directly onto an iPod, the AppleTv requires such a computer, even though it can download directly, it cannot rip by itself. Most of the 'digital' music pieces with which the general public is familiar require a PC of some sort on the LAN. I know...SooLoos...Kaleidescape...etc....as discussed before those sell for 2-4 times the projected price of the BM-5/BS-5.

The point is that, by it's very nature, the BM-5 uses the PC/Mac as the back-up, and vice-versa (to a lesser extent). If you require additional security, then make a separate back-up of the PC through whatever means you like.

I think that most B&O clients will accept that as a reasonable situation.

Re: What to do now???

burantek — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:49:23 GMT

IMHO...

try this first:

Peter :
My wife's old laptop did the same and I restarted it with the system CD and was able to repair the hard disc. One of the boot files had become corrupted.

try this second:

wirralsimon:
It depends partly on what the fault with the HD is. If it won't boot that doesn't mean that the whole HD has gone. You could try downloading one of the Linux distributions that runs from CD to see if the Hd is still readable.

the first is the simplest, least painful. may well be back in biz w/ little effort.

the second is an excellent option, but more work. you will need to burn a cd bootable iso of linux / start from the cd drive / have a external drive ready to connect to dump the salvaged files / have a new hard drive ready to install / reinstall os, etc... / and then pull the salvaged files from the external drive.

third would be to use alex's chill down, if it works: immediately dump to the external drive.

fourth would be to send it to a data recovery service.

fifth would be to buy a new lappy (apple!!!) and do the itunes "single time" redownload.

after any of these ways, always backup!

Re: What to do now???

bayerische — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:17:47 GMT

Affineur:
I would assume such services are available in Europe as well.

Yes there is, I used such a service not too long ago when one of my firms laptops with all employment salary data was located. No backup, I know, I was stupid.

The extraction of the data from tis harddrive was about 1000 euro... + new HD + the work being done installing the softwares again, the end bill was about 1500 euro.

Needless to say I now have an external HD running daily backups.

Re: What to do now???

Affineur — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:54:53 GMT

Here in the US there is a small industry that services the HDD crash issue. These operations take your HDD and extract the HD and read it with a separate device and load a new HDD for about $200-300 (you supply the HDD). In my work where we produce about a Tb of data per day, we have crashes once in a while and get all the data back this way. Only once was the crash so severe that they were not able to extract the data. In that case the housing of the HDD caught fire, not typical of HDD crashes.

I would assume such services are available in Europe as well.

Re: What to do now???

jk1002 — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:45:29 GMT

@ Graham. She might have those songs on her ipod. If so, I would download one of those tools that can take extract the songs form an Ipod back into Itunes.

Cheers

Re: What to do now???

Puncher — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:53:47 GMT

PhilLondon:

I was more talking about the Apple experience here!
Ideally the BS5/BM5 would have a CD drive and you would be able to rip by pressing the Record button on your Beo4, like it works for every other Beo product.
The backup is another issue, if your house is on fire or get robbed, you might lose your back up as well. So there cannot be a good automated solution.

Whereas I compared it to the B&O experience! As regards the backup issue, if your house isn't on fire or you don't get robbed, why should it be a real technical issue to recover your music archive if you have a hard disk failure?

Re: What to do now???

PhilLondon — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:41:03 GMT

I was more talking about the Apple experience here!

Ideally the BS5/BM5 would have a CD drive and you would be able to rip by pressing the Record button on your Beo4, like it works for every other Beo product.

The backup is another issue, if your house is on fire or get robbed, you might lose your back up as well. So there cannot be a good automated solution.

Re: What to do now???

Puncher — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:34:05 GMT

PhilLondon:

And those with a Mac can use the wonderful time machine using their time capsule! Setup your backup in one click, once and for all, and forget about it until you've got to find that document that you have just deleted/lost/overwritten...
Just bough 25 sounds of itunes, well not exactly bought, but upgraded them to iTune +, just in case I had to transfer them on a new B&O product that could read AAC for example ;-)
iTunes detected I bought quite a lot of songs and suggested that I made a backup of purchased music. If I had clicked Yes, I would have asked me to insert a blank CD/DVD and voila!

I agree again! But to my (slightly) earlier point, being asked to slot in a blank CD/DVD (I would argue at all, but in any case into something other than your B&O kit) in case you need to go through some future restore/reinstall process - isn't a B&O experience. Everything is meant to be invisible and seamless - I'll repeat that because I think those are key words that describe the B&O philosophy, "invisible and seamless".!

Re: What to do now???

Puncher — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:26:36 GMT

Craig:
Alex:

The easiest option is just to back everything up periodically. I backed up my MacB last night, just in case anything should happen to it. Also, as you say, buy the damn CDs!
Thats what I do, if only for my music and pictures. Anything else on the PC can be retrieved elsewhere. Also backup my laptop for work once a week.

Craig

To jbg's point, you may be able to do this but how does this fit in with the average B&O's expectations (you remember - those that liked the fact the one remore worked everything etc. - unless the remote sorts out the automatic BM5 backup as well)?

Re: What to do now???

PhilLondon — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:18:37 GMT

And those with a Mac can use the wonderful time machine using their time capsule! Setup your backup in one click, once and for all, and forget about it until you've got to find that document that you have just deleted/lost/overwritten...

Just bough 25 sounds of itunes, well not exactly bought, but upgraded them to iTune +, just in case I had to transfer them on a new B&O product that could read AAC for example ;-)

iTunes detected I bought quite a lot of songs and suggested that I made a backup of purchased music. If I had clicked Yes, I would have asked me to insert a blank CD/DVD and voila!

Re: What to do now???

Craig — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:53:27 GMT

Alex:

The easiest option is just to back everything up periodically. I backed up my MacB last night, just in case anything should happen to it. Also, as you say, buy the damn CDs!

Thats what I do, if only for my music and pictures. Anything else on the PC can be retrieved elsewhere. Also backup my laptop for work once a week.

Craig

Re: What to do now???

joeyboygolf — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:49:00 GMT

When you have all finished making suggestions I will print them out and give them to the lady concerned.........together with a BS5/BM5 brochure.

I wonder what she will think?

Re: What to do now???

PhilLondon — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:39:48 GMT

Alex:
leave it in the fridge for a day or two

Do I need to put it in the microwave after that? 750Watts? ;-)

Re: What to do now???

Peter — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:12:10 GMT

Have at least two complete back ups and also have 160Gb on my iPod which can be retrieved if necessary! Worth having a go with the disc that came with the laptop. My wife's old laptop did the same and I restarted it with the system CD and was able to repair the hard disc. One of the boot files had become corrupted.