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Re: Need Help !!! XML for Mitsubishi Projector... I have IRTRans

Keith Saunders — Sun, 16 Jan 2011 06:47:50 GMT

Olivier,

I am very pleased that everything is working well for you now.

mbee

After receiving IRTrans captured codes from Olivier and others, its clear there is some issues with its outputed information from a capture, but the capture itself is fine. For example it does not provide information about "repeat" codes etc.

I suggest you post in the same way as Olivier a couple of captured commands from Homerun and the Sony Video Projector and we can see if we can successfully convert them, now we know the limitations of the IRtrans capture.

Re: Need Help !!! XML for Mitsubishi Projector... I have IRTRans

olivierwillkomm — Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:29:17 GMT

Keith,

Thanks a lot for your help, i received your latest test file, and everything is working perfectly well !!!! Thanks a lot !!!

MBee,

I'm using Parallels on my Mac in order to launch the Config Tool, and I can do whatever i want.

Concerning the 3 times sending signal, pressing very fast 3 times the button on the Beo 5 didn’t work : I had to configure the Beo5 with the config tool in order to send this signal 3 times.. that worked well

Olivier

Re: Need Help !!! XML for Mitsubishi Projector... I have IRTRans

mbee — Sat, 15 Jan 2011 04:29:03 GMT

I Keith,

I'm discovering this thread and it seems that Olivier's problem is really close to the problem I had with IRTrans and 2 of my remotes (Philips HomeRun + Sony videoprojector) : "2" in the captured string, which works by resending it with IRTrans but not with your XML... I will also try to see if sending 3 times the code makes something to any of my devices... But before that, I need to have a PC at home in order to use the Config Tool

Re: Need Help !!! XML for Mitsubishi Projector... I have IRTRans

Keith Saunders — Thu, 13 Jan 2011 09:03:30 GMT

Olivier,

After receiving your remote I did a quick check and it turns out that what I decoded and provided in the previous download was correct in as far as the protocol decode was concern.

The protocol used in “Proton” and uses a 38 Khz carrier Frequency.

However, the reason my file did not work is because this projector expects the same code to be sent at least 3 times for each command and I only sent it once. This protocol does not have any error detection, so what they do is wait for the command 3 times if it decodes as the same command, then it is executed. It is possible that it may have worked if you had pressed the button 3 times very fast.

Anyway, I will create a new XML file for you to test.

Re: Need Help !!! XML for Mitsubishi Projector... I have IRTRans

Keith Saunders — Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:27:39 GMT

Olivier,

I am sorry to hear it is still not working.. Clearly, there is still something incorrect.

I think the best action would be for you to send me your original remote control, so that I can capture the commands.

I will send you an e-mail with my address..

Re: Need Help !!! XML for Mitsubishi Projector... I have IRTRans

olivierwillkomm — Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:18:58 GMT

Thank you Keith for all your help, but unfortunately, after copying successfully on my Beo5... the projector doesn’t give any answer to the commands, neither with OFF-1, ON-1 or POWER...

I really appreciate your help on this, and I dont want to abuse...

But I really dont know what i could do now...

Re: Need Help !!! XML for Mitsubishi Projector... I have IRTRans

Keith Saunders — Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:21:27 GMT

Olivier,

I have created an XML file for you to test based on my conclusions outlined above.

You can download the ZIP file containing the XML file HERE

Re: Need Help !!! XML for Mitsubishi Projector... I have IRTRans

Keith Saunders — Sun, 09 Jan 2011 12:51:53 GMT

Oliver,

Based on your feedback I have concluded that the captured data is correct, the issue is how IRtrans software has displayed the data.

The information we know for sure from your data is:-

It uses 39 Khz Carrier
The start bit is 8392 4208

The core problem for me is two elements, first the basic binary string has a "2" in it -- S 0000 1111 2 0100 0010 0 -- binary is "1" or "0"

Secondly, I have determined that any IRtrans RAW Pulse or Pause with a value of greater than 2048 micro seconds is split into two bytes starting with a "0" as in 0 32 200 -- This must mean their device uses a 12 bit processor.

Taking into consideration what I stated above, then from the "ON" RAW first 8 bits which is the device address is:-

512 552 = 0
520 552 = 0
512 560 = 0
512 552 = 0
512 1608 = 1
520 1592 = 1
496 1632 = 1
488 1624 = 1

The second 8 bits are the command

488 592 = 0
488 1632 = 1
520 560 = 0
512 568 = 0
488 584 = 0
488 592 = 0
488 1624 = 1
496 576 = 0

I think that the "2" shown in the binary string is a bug in IRtrans software because Mitsubishi are one of the very few company's to use a double pause between the device code and the command which is usually about 4200 micro seconds.

In your captured "ON" example the value of the Pause is 4144 microseconds made up of 0 120 1976 which is 2040 + 120 + 1976

Taking the above into consideration I will create an XML file tomorrow for you to try.

Re: Need Help !!! XML for Mitsubishi Projector... I have IRTRans

olivierwillkomm — Sun, 09 Jan 2011 10:56:00 GMT

Thank you Keith for all your help on this.

Unfortunately, there is no other option to capture the signals with IRTRans.
I even tried to capture with a second IRTrans module (I have 2 modules, one USB, another Ethernet), but I always got the same codes :
I also tried to send the IR code from the IRTrans module, and it worked well : I managed to turn ON and OFF my Mitsubishi Projector.

Basic Capture : S000011112100000100

Advanced Capture : (N)4(1)8392 4208(2)520 552(3)512 1608(4)520 4216(RC)2(RP)31(FREQ)39(SB)(RS)(D)S000011112100000100

Basic RAW : 0 32 192 0 16 120 512 560 512 552 512 560 512 560 512 1600 512 1608 512 1600 512 1616 512 0 16 128 512 1624 512 560 512 568 512 560 512 568 512 568 512 1608 512 560 536 0 120 1984 0 32 144 0 16 120 520 552 512 560 512 552 512 560 512 1600 512 1608 512 1600 512 1616 512 0 16 136 512 1616 512 560 520 560 512 560 520 560 512 568 512 1608 512 560 536 0 120 1984 0 32 144 0 16 128 512 552 520 552 512 560 512 552 512 1600 512 1616 512 1600 512 1608 512 0 16 136 512 1616 512 568 512 560 520 560 512 560 520 560 512 1608 520 552 544

Advanced RAW : (RAW)135(FREQ)38(D)0 32 192 0 16 120 512 560 512 552 512 560 512 560 512 1600 512 1608 512 1600 512 1616 512 0 16 128 512 1624 512 560 512 568 512 560 512 568 512 568 512 1608 512 560 536 0 120 1984 0 32 144 0 16 120 520 552 512 560 512 552 512 560 512 1600 512 1608 512 1600 512 1616 512 0 16 136 512 1616 512 560 520 560 512 560 520 560 512 568 512 1608 512 560 536 0 120 1984 0 32 144 0 16 128 512 552 520 552 512 560 512 552 512 1600 512 1616 512 1600 512 1608 512 0 16 136 512 1616 512 568 512 560 520 560 512 560 520 560 512 1608 520 552 544

OFF

Basic Capture : S000011112010000100

Advanced Capture : (N)4(1)8392 4208(2)520 552(3)512 1608(4)520 4216(RC)2(RP)31(FREQ)39(SB)(RS)(D)S000011112010000100

Basic RAW : 0 32 200 0 16 112 512 552 520 552 512 560 512 552 512 1608 520 1592 496 1632 488 1624 512 0 16 136 488 592 488 1632 520 560 512 568 488 584 488 592 488 1624 496 576 544 0 120 1976 0 32 176 0 16 104 496 576 488 576 496 576 488 584 488 1624 512 1608 496 1616 496 1632 488 0 16 152 496 584 488 1632 496 584 520 560 512 568 488 584 520 1600 496 576 544

Advanced RAW : (RAW)89(FREQ)38(D)0 32 200 0 16 112 512 552 520 552 512 560 512 552 512 1608 520 1592 496 1632 488 1624 512 0 16 136 488 592 488 1632 520 560 512 568 488 584 488 592 488 1624 496 576 544 0 120 1976 0 32 176 0 16 104 496 576 488 576 496 576 488 584 488 1624 512 1608 496 1616 496 1632 488 0 16 152 496 584 488 1632 496 584 520 560 512 568 488 584 520 1600 496 576 544

If these convert signals dont work, what would you suggest I get in order to capture the codes ? (which Lintronic Box is the best ?)

Thanks !

Olivier

Re: Need Help !!! XML for Mitsubishi Projector... I have IRTRans

Keith Saunders — Sat, 08 Jan 2011 13:05:39 GMT

Olivier,

The RAW timings look a lot better, but there is still a problem with the data captured.

Certainly, 38Khz looks correct and Mitsubishi use NEC protocol for most of their products, but your timings are missing the start timing which would be in the range 9000 4500. As your RAW timing includes several zeros (0) may mean that the IRtrans is counting the carrier frequency pulses during the "Pulse period"

Are there any other output formats the IRtrans product will produce ?

Re: Need Help !!! XML for Mitsubishi Projector... I have IRTRans

olivierwillkomm — Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:56:50 GMT

Keith,

Thanks again for all your help.

I learned the code again with IRed2 / IRTrans, but this time in Raw mode... I got a frequence at 38KHz (vs 39KHz learned in normal mode... funny !!)

Here is the complet code :

ON
[ RAW ] 89 [FREQ] 38 [ D ] 0 32 176 0 16 136 496 576 488 576 496 576 496 568 496 1632 488 1624 488 1632 496 1616 496 0 16 152 496 1624 496 584 496 584 488 584 496 584 488 592 488 1632 488 584 512 0 120 2008 0 32 128 0 16 144 496 576 488 576 496 576 496 568 496 1632 488 1624 488 1632 496 1616 496 0 16 152 496 1624 496 584 496 584 488 584 496 584 488 592 488 1632 488 576 544

OFF
[ RAW ] 135 [FREQ] 38 [ D ] 0 32 176 0 16 144 488 576 496 576 488 576 496 576 488 1624 488 1632 496 1616 496 1632 488 0 16 152 496 584 496 1632 488 584 496 584 488 592 488 584 496 1624 496 584 512 0 120 1992 0 32 152 0 16 136 488 576 496 576 496 576 488 576 496 1624 488 1632 496 1616 496 1632 488 0 16 144 496 584 488 1632 488 592 488 584 496 584 488 584 496 1624 496 576 520 0 120 2008 0 32 152 0 16 128 488 576 496 576 488 584 488 576 488 1632 496 1616 496 1632 488 1624 488 0 16 160 488 584 496 1632 488 592 488 584 496 584 488 584 496 1624 496 576 520

Does this sounds something to you ?

Thanks,

Olivier

Re: Need Help !!! XML for Mitsubishi Projector... I have IRTRans

olivierwillkomm — Wed, 29 Dec 2010 19:27:09 GMT

Hi Keith,

THanks a lot for your help... but you were right, the codes didn’t work... i'll try to re-capture them tomorrow...

olivier

Re: Need Help !!! XML for Mitsubishi Projector... I have IRTRans

Keith Saunders — Fri, 24 Dec 2010 12:40:49 GMT

Olivier,

I have had a look at your captured commands you generated with the IRtrans, unfortunately it appears that they were not captured 100% correctly. The defined carrier frequency at 39 Khz is certainly incorrect.

I have tried to re-construct the commands and have made an XML file based what I believe to be correct for you to test.

You can download the ZIP file containing the XML file HERE

If it does not work, then you will need to re-capture these commands.

Re: Need Help !!! XML for Mitsubishi Projector... I have IRTRans

olivierwillkomm — Tue, 21 Dec 2010 09:35:00 GMT

Thanks a lot for your fast and very helpful answer !!

I come back to my original question concerning the IR codes I managed to capture from my videoprojector remote... with IRTrans...

How can i get these codes to function with the XML generator ?

Many thanks again for your help !!!!

olivier

Re: Need Help !!! XML for Mitsubishi Projector... I have IRTRans

Keith Saunders — Tue, 21 Dec 2010 09:10:52 GMT

olivierwillkomm:
One more question, do you know if the ON/OFF button (the one outside the touch screen) of the Beo5 can be customized with the config tool ? Infact, i would love to add the function to turn on or off my video projector also with this button

Olivier,

The "Standby" button with the RED dot just turns the product off and CAN be programmed to turn OFF third party devices as well as the B&O product at the same time.

To "Turn On" a product you press the required screen button such as SAT. If for example you have a third Party TV called "Sony TV" you CAN program it to turn on the Sony TV and show the Sony commands on the Beo5 screen at the same time.

NOTE: Some combined functions (Macros) cannot be achieved with the Configuration Tool and you must manually edit your 3rd party XML file for the associated third party product, prior to adding it to your overall configuration.