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Re: Perspective MC120.2's sound

Jon — Sun, 06 Nov 2011 17:03:06 GMT

chartz:

Funnily enough, even the upper registers seem to have improved (which I know is impossible).

Not impossible - at the frequency and slope which those woofers are crossed over, they affect the sound well into upper end of the spectrum.

Jon

Re: Perspective MC120.2's sound

Søren Mexico — Sat, 05 Nov 2011 13:41:31 GMT

chartz:
Funnily enough, even the upper registers seem to have improved (which I know is impossible).

Chartz, after every service or repair of any of my vintage I think the sound improve, well sometimes it does, but an optical cleaning should be sound neutral, and even so I think it sounds better when looking clean

Enjoy your MCs

Re: Perspective MC120.2's sound

chartz — Sat, 05 Nov 2011 13:11:34 GMT

Hi,

Woofers back from Martin's!

He did a great job! These speakers now sound like new again. More weight to the overall balance with the new woofers. Martin says the bass will continue to improve in the next weeks (they need to be run-in all over again). Funnily enough, even the upper registers seem to have improved (which I know is impossible).

Re: Perspective MC120.2's sound

chartz — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 03:08:47 GMT

Now listening to Irene Cara's On my Own. Boy what a fantastic sound, a very emotional song!

Analogue and music at their best!

Re: Perspective MC120.2's sound

chartz — Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:25:04 GMT

Hello!

I've lived with them for one year now.

The Martin re-foamed woofers should be here tomorrow!

I'm not sure whether I'll have the time to do them soon—the others are still in place, alive and kicking in spite of their degraded suspensions!

Will I be surprised?

Stay tuned my friends!

Re: Perspective MC120.2's sound

chartz — Fri, 29 Oct 2010 03:00:36 GMT

I can live with that. After all, some people swear by homeopathy, don't they? I for one don't buy it at all!

But where has the bass gone?

Re: Perspective MC120.2's sound

henrik — Fri, 29 Oct 2010 02:43:37 GMT

Most probably placebo, unless the old cables were faulty. I had a simliar experience some 20 years ago and was very happy with the improvment, but a couple of weeks later I did some blindtests with a friend and the result was that we couldn't tell the cables apart in the blind test. Oops! :P

Re: Perspective MC120.2's sound

Jon — Fri, 29 Oct 2010 02:38:15 GMT

When the day comes that I can hear a difference between lamp cord and zillion-dollar exotic thievery cable, I'll be ecstatic.

Jon

Re: Perspective MC120.2's sound

chartz — Wed, 27 Oct 2010 11:53:25 GMT

Hi,

I know many don't believe in "cable sound" but here's what happened to me.

I used plain DIY shop "speaker cable" with these speakers. After a change to more exotic cables (Monitor PC silver) I had at hand (and after thinking my BM 6000 died...) the sound really woke up!

It is now neutral but not dull at all!

However, I lost some bass depth into the bargain. This is very sensitive on organ lower notes which almost seem to have disappeared! And what's funny is that the section of the"new" cable is much, much thicker!

Back to the other cable, back to the recessed treble!

Maybe the reason why some think they lack bass, and some think this region is fine... Food for thought!

Well I think you can't have it all then.

Re: Perspective MC120.2's sound

Friedmett — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:48:19 GMT

Martin does a very good job on refoming bass units.

He did my S120 2 years ago. The sound is awesome.

He also did the crossovers I might ad.

Re: Perspective MC120.2's sound

chartz — Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:40:16 GMT

I bypassed the protection circuit indeed.

No, I haven't yet re-foamed the bass units, but I plan to have Martin do it when funds allow (the cost of shipment is well over 100€).

Jacques

Re: Perspective MC120.2's sound

burantek — Tue, 12 Oct 2010 08:59:25 GMT

(2) quick follow-ups from earlier in the thread...

1.) Did you indeed bypass the protection circuit?

2.) I did not see any further posts about refoaming -though they make look fine, they are likely degraded. After all that you have been through -it is a rather small investment.

OTH, if you are happy... well, maybe just leave them alone.

Re: Perspective MC120.2's sound

chartz — Tue, 12 Oct 2010 07:39:57 GMT

Step1:

What I would be interested in is how they now sound compared to the speakers that originaly overshadowed them?

They sound far more accurate and linear I'd say. The Arcams have a rising response with more upper bass slam. The Beovoxes' bass is much drier.

Strangely, the mids are more present in the Beovoxes but are less aggressive!

Treble is very delicate and seem to be more extended than that of the Arcams (Peerless tweeters) which was more obvious.

Imaging is fine, and perhaps a bit more sensitive to the listener's position.

The only problem is the resonant cabinet of the Beovoxes. Is it so by design (calculated and wanted resonance) or simply cost-cutting? The Arcams' cabinets are very rigid and thick, with several layers of materials inside, including bitumen!

Jacques

Re: Perspective MC120.2's sound

tournedos — Tue, 12 Oct 2010 07:10:50 GMT

I've noticed that it takes a while to learn away from coloured sound, be it caused by unnatural tone control settings or the equipment itself... so yes, I believe that you had just ruined your perception with the Arcams

Anyway, good to hear you're happy after all the work!

Re: Perspective MC120.2's sound

Step1 — Tue, 12 Oct 2010 07:07:15 GMT

Wow absolutely must be placeabo my friend although maybe somthing significant is different? I cannot for the life of me ever see capacitors burning in but the human brain on the other hand... Definately!!! Maybe you just needed to adapt?

What I would be interested in is how they now sound compared to the speakers that originaly overshadowed them?