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Re: Beogram 4000 Noise. Any ideas?

chartz — Sat, 31 Dec 2011 08:27:27 GMT

Funny, it looks like a meccano or lego belt...

Re: Beogram 4000 Noise. Any ideas?

Tomkellett — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 13:21:48 GMT

Sorry i should have been clearer, the green all over the insidde was bits of the decayed band. Ive attached a pic of what it was like, although i had removed the green bits by then.

Is it easy to get replacement belts locally or should i enquire via this site?

http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b424/ifoldaway/Green-band.jpg

Re: Beogram 4000 Noise. Any ideas?

Step1 — Tue, 27 Dec 2011 18:49:49 GMT

I missed thate Jacques yeah must admit many moons ago I tried a rubber band I was desperate though and it never worked of course! I think they are designed to decompose fairly rapidly but not sure if they go all gooey!

chartz:

Like Olly, I doubt the belt alone could be responsible for the rattle.

What is that green stuff you saw inside? Was the belt green?

Looks like somebody 'fixed' the deck with an old office rubber band!

Re: Beogram 4000 Noise. Any ideas?

Step1 — Tue, 27 Dec 2011 18:47:55 GMT

There are two types of ac motor found in the 4000 (I am not aware of more) one of them I think can be pulled apart the other cannot without drilling even then I am I wouldn't risk it. Either way you can get oil to both top and bottom bearings which is the major issue with the servo motor - you can't really access either bearing, one is completely covered while the other is effectively covered by a washer. smaller motor benefit much more anyway.

With the platter motors I tend to apply oil to both ends and run for a while just make sure non gets anywhere near the belt path.

Re: Beogram 4000 Noise. Any ideas?

chartz — Tue, 27 Dec 2011 15:24:59 GMT

Like Olly, I doubt the belt alone could be responsible for the rattle.

What is that green stuff you saw inside? Was the belt green?

Looks like somebody 'fixed' the deck with an old office rubber band!

Re: Beogram 4000 Noise. Any ideas?

Tomkellett — Tue, 27 Dec 2011 10:40:56 GMT

Ill have to have a check to see how it spins and get back to you. I think the belt was slipping making the noise. It also explained why it ran smoothly sometimes as this was when it wasnt slipping.

I think i may still strip it down though as it must be getting on and i have all the equipment ready.

Are there any other motors that would benefit from a strip down?

Thanks

Tom

Re: Beogram 4000 Noise. Any ideas?

Step1 — Tue, 27 Dec 2011 10:17:38 GMT

Hmmm personally I would be a bit skeptical. If you ask me I would bet that is the motor making the noise and perhaps by adding a bit of tension (you can see that the original was loose) this has temporarily resolved the issue. It is up to you really. See how it runs without the belt if it is relatively quiet then I guess it could be left.

I personally strip all motors now if nothing else it might just extend their life and definately makes them run sweater, however it is a fidely job, you have to watch the brushes and that tiny circlip and the washers!

Belt kits can be sourced from Dillen (Martin).

Just out of interest, when you spin the shaft with your fingers (no belt attached) how long does the motor spin for? Should be a good few seconds!

Re: Beogram 4000 Noise. Any ideas?

Tomkellett — Tue, 27 Dec 2011 09:56:28 GMT

I had a go and it seems that it wasnt the motor but the belt. When i removed the top panels i notided lots of green rubber everywhere and a very worn belt.

I replaced it with a band i had that was the same size(with much more tension) and it is now running like a dream.

Do you think it is still worth stripping the motor?

Also, do i need a specialist belt for this or will the rubber band i used work long term?

Was interesting having a look inside. although it took a while to get all the panels back in place neatly.

Thanks

Tom

Re: Beogram 4000 Noise. Any ideas?

chartz — Mon, 26 Dec 2011 13:53:29 GMT

Hi Olly,

Well it's not so much about the part itself, but it's actually very difficult to make it properly centered and precisely square to the worm screw. My pulley, taken from a 4002, is slightly wobbly.

http://forum.beoworld.org/forums/t/36575.aspx?PageIndex=3

Re: Beogram 4000 Noise. Any ideas?

Step1 — Mon, 26 Dec 2011 13:15:55 GMT

Hi Jacques the thing is many of these are much the same, so no guarrentee your replacement will be any different! I think this is one part that could do with a retooling - I thought about a brass collar like you find with Mecanno stuck to original nylon pulley, if you could get it to stick!

Re: Beogram 4000 Noise. Any ideas?

chartz — Mon, 26 Dec 2011 12:13:48 GMT

By the way, I'm still looking for an original servo pulley (the big one with à half-moon centre hole)...

Anyone please?

Re: Beogram 4000 Noise. Any ideas?

Rich — Fri, 23 Dec 2011 15:38:37 GMT

My receipt from Benny doesn't have any details regarding the motor. I'll take a look inside sometime this weekend and take a picture.

Re: Beogram 4000 Noise. Any ideas?

Rich — Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:40:46 GMT

I think 4716 was the US version 120V/60Hz, but I'm not 100% sure.

I do not know what Benny put in my BG4002 for a "new" motor off the top of my head. I will check his service receipt this long holiday weekend and report back here. I may be completely wrong here, but I get the sense Benny may use rebuilt parts he has on hand in sort of a rolling fashion. For my BM4000, maybe he simply took out the amplifier board and replaced it with one he already had rebuilt. He will then use my former board for the next BM4000 repair.

Like I said, though, I may be completely wrong.

Re: Beogram 4000 Noise. Any ideas?

Step1 — Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:23:49 GMT

4715 for me, what does that mean I wonder? Just checked it is dual capston...

@Rich do you know if he replaced your motor with a s/h unit, new old stock or something from a different source all together?

Re: Beogram 4000 Noise. Any ideas?

chartz — Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:20:48 GMT

Hey hey hey, 4716, same as mine!!