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Re: BS3+HDMI - help needed

Goldfrog88 — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:26:22 GMT

This is great info guys. I've just found the problem after upgrading the software on BS3. Looks like I'll need an HDMI-compliant monitor; my Full-HD Sharp AQUOS panel (of three years) only supports a DVI connection! But there's a thin silver lining to this cloud, if you accidentally set your panel to a res it can't show, you can always connect a computer monitor to the BS3 to see the menu and 'undo' the selection --- provided you're not in Full HD mode 'only' (as most small computer monitors don't support 1920 by 1280).

Re: BS3+HDMI - help needed

Mico — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:56:47 GMT

355f:
Mico:
355f:
Mico:
Alex:

The issue is with the Plasma screen, not the BeoSystem 3. A technology called HDCP (HD content protection) is starting to be used by manufacturers and film studios. It essentially requires that all components in your system can talk to each other to assure that everything is an 'approved' component and not anything which would allow you to copy the DVD.
You'll need to change the Plasma panel, or you're going to run into this problem a lot with HD...
Yes, this what I have been thinking as the cause as well. The thing that is puzzling me is that that I do not get any picture from the DVD player with HDMI. Not even the setup menus. Everything works fine if I use the component output. Based on the manual the HDCP is implemented in the discs, not to everything the player is sending through HDMI. And how does the Computer monitor go around this?
Only HDMI carries HDCP not component. With HDCP every component in that chain has to handshake otherwise no picture.
I understand this but how do the projectors or computer monitors go around this?
any procust that have HDMI will contain the HDCP
The difrerence is that some manufacturers use a chip set for HDCP that is very 'open to interpretation' about what hdcp is! and this means that actually you an connect most things and they work!
Rather frustratingly, you tend to find that the cheaper products allow content to be played. Hence the reason why one gets the comment that some crappy £40 player works but my $4000 BnO doesnot!

Bulls eye!

Re: BS3+HDMI - help needed

355f — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:50:37 GMT

Mico:
355f:
Mico:
Alex:

The issue is with the Plasma screen, not the BeoSystem 3. A technology called HDCP (HD content protection) is starting to be used by manufacturers and film studios. It essentially requires that all components in your system can talk to each other to assure that everything is an 'approved' component and not anything which would allow you to copy the DVD.
You'll need to change the Plasma panel, or you're going to run into this problem a lot with HD...
Yes, this what I have been thinking as the cause as well. The thing that is puzzling me is that that I do not get any picture from the DVD player with HDMI. Not even the setup menus. Everything works fine if I use the component output. Based on the manual the HDCP is implemented in the discs, not to everything the player is sending through HDMI. And how does the Computer monitor go around this?
Only HDMI carries HDCP not component. With HDCP every component in that chain has to handshake otherwise no picture.
I understand this but how do the projectors or computer monitors go around this?

any procust that have HDMI will contain the HDCP

The difrerence is that some manufacturers use a chip set for HDCP that is very 'open to interpretation' about what hdcp is! and this means that actually you an connect most things and they work!

Rather frustratingly, you tend to find that the cheaper products allow content to be played. Hence the reason why one gets the comment that some crappy £40 player works but my $4000 BnO doesnot!

Re: BS3+HDMI - help needed

moxxey — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:38:25 GMT

Mico:
I am quite certain that my plasma does not have HDCP. With this I need to get in contact with the screen manufacturer. I am currently unwilling to invest on a new screen because of lack of HD sources. My test during the weekend seems to be a failure so far.

Alex is right over this, too. You can't upgrade an old run-of-the-mill TV to support HDCP. If you could, you'd have to pay a fair few hundred pounds and, considering most 42" plasmas are around £1000 these days, it wouldn't be worth doing this - you'd be better off getting a new plasma!

Re: BS3+HDMI - help needed

Mico — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:37:09 GMT

355f:
Mico:
Alex:

The issue is with the Plasma screen, not the BeoSystem 3. A technology called HDCP (HD content protection) is starting to be used by manufacturers and film studios. It essentially requires that all components in your system can talk to each other to assure that everything is an 'approved' component and not anything which would allow you to copy the DVD.
You'll need to change the Plasma panel, or you're going to run into this problem a lot with HD...
Yes, this what I have been thinking as the cause as well. The thing that is puzzling me is that that I do not get any picture from the DVD player with HDMI. Not even the setup menus. Everything works fine if I use the component output. Based on the manual the HDCP is implemented in the discs, not to everything the player is sending through HDMI. And how does the Computer monitor go around this?
Only HDMI carries HDCP not component. With HDCP every component in that chain has to handshake otherwise no picture.

I understand this but how do the projectors or computer monitors go around this?

Re: BS3+HDMI - help needed

Mico — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:35:10 GMT

moxxey:
Alex:

The issue is with the Plasma screen, not the BeoSystem 3. A technology called HDCP (HD content protection) is starting to be used by manufacturers and film studios. It essentially requires that all components in your system can talk to each other to assure that everything is an 'approved' component and not anything which would allow you to copy the DVD.
You'll need to change the Plasma panel, or you're going to run into this problem a lot with HD...
I think Alex is right. Although you have a DVI socket (like the BV7-32), the BV7 required a HD upgrade to support HDCP. If your TV doesn't support HDCP, you'll hear audio but not receive a video signal. ie. it will be blocked. Some TVs show fuzziness, others show nothing at all.

I am quite certain that my plasma does not have HDCP. With this I need to get in contact with the screen manufacturer. I am currently unwilling to invest on a new screen because of lack of HD sources. My test during the weekend seems to be a failure so far.

BTW The local DVD rental agencies have a VERY limited offering (both in BD and HD DVDs). This might lead to postponing the whole HD project.

Re: BS3+HDMI - help needed

355f — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:25:47 GMT

Mico:
Alex:

The issue is with the Plasma screen, not the BeoSystem 3. A technology called HDCP (HD content protection) is starting to be used by manufacturers and film studios. It essentially requires that all components in your system can talk to each other to assure that everything is an 'approved' component and not anything which would allow you to copy the DVD.
You'll need to change the Plasma panel, or you're going to run into this problem a lot with HD...
Yes, this what I have been thinking as the cause as well. The thing that is puzzling me is that that I do not get any picture from the DVD player with HDMI. Not even the setup menus. Everything works fine if I use the component output. Based on the manual the HDCP is implemented in the discs, not to everything the player is sending through HDMI. And how does the Computer monitor go around this?

Only HDMI carries HDCP not component. With HDCP every component in that chain has to handshake otherwise no picture.

Re: BS3+HDMI - help needed

moxxey — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:25:17 GMT

355f:
HDCP starting to be used?? it was used from the start thats why HDMI was invented!

Yeah, but if you read his post....he has a HDMI -> DVI converter as his plasma is an old DVI-only socket.

Re: BS3+HDMI - help needed

moxxey — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:23:48 GMT

Alex:
The issue is with the Plasma screen, not the BeoSystem 3. A technology called HDCP (HD content protection) is starting to be used by manufacturers and film studios. It essentially requires that all components in your system can talk to each other to assure that everything is an 'approved' component and not anything which would allow you to copy the DVD.

You'll need to change the Plasma panel, or you're going to run into this problem a lot with HD...

I think Alex is right. Although you have a DVI socket (like the BV7-32), the BV7 required a HD upgrade to support HDCP. If your TV doesn't support HDCP, you'll hear audio but not receive a video signal. ie. it will be blocked. Some TVs show fuzziness, others show nothing at all.

Re: BS3+HDMI - help needed

Alex — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:23:45 GMT

355f:
Alex:

The issue is with the Plasma screen, not the BeoSystem 3. A technology called HDCP (HD content protection) is starting to be used by manufacturers and film studios. It essentially requires that all components in your system can talk to each other to assure that everything is an 'approved' component and not anything which would allow you to copy the DVD.
You'll need to change the Plasma panel, or you're going to run into this problem a lot with HD...
HDCP starting to be used?? it was used from the start thats why HDMI was invented! On some products if you allow this messge to stay on screen for to long it will take out the input board on the connected item

True, but HDMI is only just starting to become used widespread. So far it's generally been reserved more for early HD adopters...

Re: BS3+HDMI - help needed

Mico — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:20:49 GMT

Alex:

The issue is with the Plasma screen, not the BeoSystem 3. A technology called HDCP (HD content protection) is starting to be used by manufacturers and film studios. It essentially requires that all components in your system can talk to each other to assure that everything is an 'approved' component and not anything which would allow you to copy the DVD.
You'll need to change the Plasma panel, or you're going to run into this problem a lot with HD...

Yes, this what I have been thinking as the cause as well. The thing that is puzzling me is that that I do not get any picture from the DVD player with HDMI. Not even the setup menus. Everything works fine if I use the component output. Based on the manual the HDCP is implemented in the discs, not to everything the player is sending through HDMI. And how does the Computer monitor go around this?

Re: BS3+HDMI - help needed

355f — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:14:10 GMT

Alex:

The issue is with the Plasma screen, not the BeoSystem 3. A technology called HDCP (HD content protection) is starting to be used by manufacturers and film studios. It essentially requires that all components in your system can talk to each other to assure that everything is an 'approved' component and not anything which would allow you to copy the DVD.
You'll need to change the Plasma panel, or you're going to run into this problem a lot with HD...

HDCP starting to be used?? it was used from the start thats why HDMI was invented! On some products if you allow this messge to stay on screen for to long it will take out the input board on the connected item

Re: BS3+HDMI - help needed

Alex — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:08:28 GMT

The issue is with the Plasma screen, not the BeoSystem 3. A technology called HDCP (HD content protection) is starting to be used by manufacturers and film studios. It essentially requires that all components in your system can talk to each other to assure that everything is an 'approved' component and not anything which would allow you to copy the DVD.

You'll need to change the Plasma panel, or you're going to run into this problem a lot with HD...

Re: BS3+HDMI - help needed

Mico — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 08:28:30 GMT

Russ, thank for your reply! Unfortunately it did not solve the issue.

I had some progress, the PCM audio now comes through HDMI but still no picture.

It seems that there are compatibility issues with the Plasma. The Plasma is three years old, HD Ready but without a HDMI connection. The Plasma can also be used as a Projector, picture is not great with BS3. But even in this case the same error message appears with the DVD player. I connected a computer monitor with DVI to the BS3 and picture was ok (Display one defined as a Projector).

I have now tried all connections, powered the units up and down in different order, even with another HDMI cable.

So, I am puzzled. A simple 200€ lcd monitor works ok but the 3000€ plasma does not. Somehow I would trace the problem to the BS3 because of the error message. I think I will return the DVD Player and try the Playstation 3 (or another Blu-Ray Player.

Re: BS3+HDMI - help needed

Russ — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:58:17 GMT

I have seen this before on a BS-3. The HDMI connection can be a bit fiddly, mostly from the software side. Power the BS-3 down, or put it on another source, poer off the player, then unplug the HDMI Cable from either end, reconnect it and power up the player and switch the BS-3 back to it.

Russ