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Re: it's official - blu ray wins !!! now get a player in a beovision please !!

linder — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 11:33:35 GMT

I'm ready. If B&O put a Blu-ray player in the BV7-40, that would be my next TV.

Re: it's official - blu ray wins !!! now get a player in a beovision please !!

moxxey — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 10:28:25 GMT

Mind you:

http://www.betanews.com/article/Financial_Times_Paramount_to_drop_support_of_HD_DVD/1199766332

Which means that Blu-ray has won the HD race.

Re: it's official - blu ray wins !!! now get a player in a beovision please !!

moxxey — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 09:13:08 GMT

New Mac Pro's have been announced. No blu-ray drives:

http://www.macworld.co.uk/mac/news/index.cfm?newsid=20087

Re: it's official - blu ray wins !!! now get a player in a beovision please !!

beologisch — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 08:40:50 GMT

soundproof:

Beologisch - do you use Apple products?
I've been using aluminium Macs for years now. I actually even had a Titanium one -- and any CE manufacturer in the world should count itself lucky to have a designer as enlightened as Ive, working together with a CEO as brilliant as Jobs.
And seriously, though I'm pleased that Apple is now gaining adherents with avalanche speed, we're still talking about a brand with a minor share of the total market. The masses are solidly parked in PC-land.
I spend some time with people in the film and music industries, around the world -- and it's amusing to see how they have "en masse" gravitated to Apple's solutions - that has the power of persuasion in it. Actually once spent a flight with Kanye West and his entourage, as they were flying out of the small airport near a music festival to a hub. They were all seated with alu Macbooks in their laps, discussing their schedules, contracts and set for the next concert - and they had established an airport network aboard the plane, in order to be working on the same desktop. (BTW - he likes B&O, bought a Beovision 4 when he signed his first major contract.)
But that's off-topic, except for the fact that there's huge potential in addressing the needs of that crowd - B&O is leaving it all to Apple, though.

Yes I've used Apple, but not anymore for I can't use them in the office or at home because of the rather difficult integration of mac's with MS pc's and those are the standard in the bussiness/office world, the use of a mac is a kind of modern status symbol and does not give "more" for me, than just being different, but that's very personal ofcourse.

I've had an Ipod, but I gave it away because it was to expensive compared to others, giving me nothing more and because I don't like those thingies in my ears listening to rather bad sounding music I stopped using any MP3 players eg.imho that is.Aplle certainly changed the [mobile and internet] music business that's for sure, but designwise to me it's again just different and not more beautifull or better, just not my piece of cake I guess.

Re: it's official - blu ray wins !!! now get a player in a beovision please !!

Puncher — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 07:50:29 GMT

Certainly, from the music fraternity point of view, Apple scored a direct hit when they bought Logic Audio from Emagic and dropped the PC support. PC's for music were certainly much bigger in the US than Europe but Logic had a huge following on both sides of the Atlantic as the No1 DAW application. Limiting its availibility to Mac only will certainly have added new Macites to the fold and move Mac to the undisputed platform of choice for music making.

Can you imagine the outcry if MS had done that

Re: it's official - blu ray wins !!! now get a player in a beovision please !!

soundproof — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 07:13:42 GMT

Beologisch - do you use Apple products?

I've been using aluminium Macs for years now. I actually even had a Titanium one -- and any CE manufacturer in the world should count itself lucky to have a designer as enlightened as Ive, working together with a CEO as brilliant as Jobs.
And seriously, though I'm pleased that Apple is now gaining adherents with avalanche speed, we're still talking about a brand with a minor share of the total market. The masses are solidly parked in PC-land.

I spend some time with people in the film and music industries, around the world -- and it's amusing to see how they have "en masse" gravitated to Apple's solutions - that has the power of persuasion in it. Actually once spent a flight with Kanye West and his entourage, as they were flying out of the small airport near a music festival to a hub. They were all seated with alu Macbooks in their laps, discussing their schedules, contracts and set for the next concert - and they had established an airport network aboard the plane, in order to be working on the same desktop. (BTW - he likes B&O, bought a Beovision 4 when he signed his first major contract.)

But that's off-topic, except for the fact that there's huge potential in addressing the needs of that crowd - B&O is leaving it all to Apple, though.

Re: it's official - blu ray wins !!! now get a player in a beovision please !!

beologisch — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 07:03:25 GMT

Greg:
As regards Apple buying B&O, I don't believe that would happen, and I hope it never does. While I like the products of both companies, I think it would be a disaster for B&O. Apple is a very different type of company, and I'm not sure they would understand each other well.

I fully agree on the first part of Apple buying B&O and hoping it never does; imho B&O is for the happy few who really enjoys and loves RVS, quality and design, while Apple is for the big mass who prefers designing in plastic for a price a bit higher than the common concept producers in A/V.

Re: it's official - blu ray wins !!! now get a player in a beovision please !!

soundproof — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 06:56:03 GMT

Should be interesting to hear what Mr Jobs has to say on the 15th, in his Keynote at MacWorld -- rumours fly that BluRay implementation in Macs will be one of the tidbits, and that would fit in nicely with all the content providers coming to the BluRay camp now.

Btw - to all the speculations as to who will buy whom -- a Sony/Apple alliance is a lot more likely (it's pretty simple to move the Linux based OS in PS3 to Apple hardware ... )

Re: it's official - blu ray wins !!! now get a player in a beovision please !!

Greg — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 06:46:05 GMT

As regards Apple buying B&O, I don't believe that would happen, and I hope it never does. While I like the products of both companies, I think it would be a disaster for B&O. Apple is a very different type of company, and I'm not sure they would understand each other well.

Re: it's official - blu ray wins !!! now get a player in a beovision please !!

Greg — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 06:43:22 GMT

Well, I *hate* to say "I told you so" ;-) but...

Paramount are to drop support for HD-DVD - meaning this format war is indeed over, and Blu-ray did indeed win.

note: I'm not saying that's necessarily a good thing, or a better format; just saying ;-)

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/dc409afa-bd75-11dc-b7e6-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1

Re: it's official - blu ray wins !!! now get a player in a beovision please !!

BeoNut1 — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 10:10:14 GMT

B&O needs Apple. Here's a potential future course for Apple (may never happen but the person writing this is a very well informed and smart tech writer):

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/12/29/ten-big-predictions-for-apple-in-2008/

Re: it's official - blu ray wins !!! now get a player in a beovision please !!

AT — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 07:18:46 GMT

I think, something wrong out there... Warner has just said something like this about half a year ago, but then they almost immediately withrowed it.

If we check the sold stand alone HD player's number, it's absolutely outnumbered by HD DVD in the main markets: Europe and in the US. What is a customer choice if not this? Not even as much BR film was sold as PS3, which is clearly shows, the customers are not purchasing PS3 for the BR option.

Currently the HD DVD vs. BR disk selling is only 1-1.5:2, so it's not a "clear win", it's almost nothing - no reason to say "clear choice of the customers", because for example in december HD DVD selling is several times outnumbered the BR selling. And there is only one REAL customer choice: A lot's of people needs HD DVD.

And, just for fun again: The whole HD market is a small minority against to the regular DVD market, and it's struggling. But, if they'll loose the HD DVD camp, then it will fall, and will not raising imho. I think it was a very idiotic way to "end the war", because if a war can be win this way: Nobody will trust the "cheaty winner". Who spent a lots of money in HD DVD and in HD DVD disc -> will not spend it again to BR.

IMHO, the worst decision is to support only one format after years - but supportint the opponent for at least a year? Who will purchase the product after this?

So, I think, something happened in the background, so we have to check CES...

This story is too fishy for me now.

Re: it's official - blu ray wins !!! now get a player in a beovision please !!

PhilLondon — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 06:19:37 GMT

I don't know why blu ray is better... for me HD-DVD had the advantage to be cheaper and more backward and forward* compatible, but it seems that blu ray has won. 2 blu ray dvds are sold for 1 HD DVD...

HD DVD has cancelled its keynote on a consumer electronic show following the Warner announcement. I think it says a lot.

The only thing is Microsoft who is able, at loss, to inject a large amount of cash to support a technology as they do so well.

I think it is time for B&O to give us hi def DVDs, DVD2 should have been a repackaged HD DVD/Blue Ray combo player rather than a DVD burner...

* HD DVD can be read on a normal DVD player

Re: it's official - blu ray wins !!! now get a player in a beovision please !!

Dave — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 22:20:19 GMT

It is becoming clear that apple is putting the nails into microsoft's coffin. Microsoft is also nailing it's own coffin, by being stubborn and not keeping up with the trends.

I remember when apple was a joke compared to microsoft... Blue ray is obviously the greater format for the future.

Re: it's official - blu ray wins !!! now get a player in a beovision please !!

Alex — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:50:25 GMT

moxxey:
Flappo The Grate:
so who owns bugatti and lamborghini ?
Yeah, but Fiat own Ferarri :)
Seriously, Apple won't go buying a company such as B&O when it is in an area completely outside it's remit. It won't happen. B&O barely register in the US, for example.

Fiat = Fix It Again Tony

I can't see that Apple would ever buy an AV company. They aren't Microsoft, so don't have a tendency of trying out different markets and failing miserably.