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Re: New BV7-40 MKIII synopsis

soundproof — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 14:09:23 GMT

moxxey:
Hi Chris,One thing to add is that I've just been testing 300 this morning, which I have on SD DVD and blu-ray. It's really pixelated on the BV7-40, compared to the BV7-32 - the background is almost like one of those effects where you can turn a picture in to a 'painting'. It's annoyingly pixelated. Bizarrely, the blu-ray version is the same, although a little better. Casino Royale and Layer Cake weren't pixelated at all. Weird. It's the same on the internal DVD player as on the PS3, which implies it's the film.

It's the film. A lot of people get confused by the grain in the original of 300, when testing their HD screens. Just google and you'll find lots of comments to that effect.

Re: New BV7-40 MKIII synopsis

mr_anders_son — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 10:51:28 GMT

Greg:
Synergy:
My BV7/3 went back.
The PQ was totally unwatchable on SD.Plus it had a few other 'niggles'.
Got me a Kuro which is sooo much better.Combined it with a £150 Pioneer upscaling dvd player and the picture quality is superb!
I don't enjoy juggling remotes again though...
Yes, I went with the Pioneer Kuro too, and I don't regret it. Certainly better picture quality (to my eyes) than B&O's offerings, at least with SD or DVD content, and of course much cheaper - so we can see it as an 'interim' solution and maybe look again at a B&O TV in a few years! I'm not sure the Kuro is massively better than a really good CRT, but it's at least as good, and at a larger screen size.

G.

Yeah I agree if you compare to BV7-40 mk3. BUT it will not beat BV9

Re: New BV7-40 MKIII synopsis

moxxey — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 09:53:00 GMT

Synergy:
Selling a TV for upwards of ~ £6K with a suspect picture quality on SD (i.e. still the standard broadcast medium for the short to medium term) is unbelievable / laughable (if not criminal) IMO.

Believe me, it's more than 'suspect'. Unwatchable is my description of a signal on the BV7-40 through analogue or via the DVB-T, at least here in the UK. Anyone who has Sky though would say it was an excellent picture, and they'd be right.

Goes to show though that the BV7-40 has stacks of future potential. It can certainly show and display top quality images, as long as you have the facility to receive them!

Re: New BV7-40 MKIII synopsis

Puncher — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 09:47:49 GMT

Synergy:

My BV7/3 went back.
The PQ was totally unwatchable on SD.Plus it had a few other 'niggles'.
Got me a Kuro which is sooo much better.Combined it with a £150 Pioneer upscaling dvd player and the picture quality is superb!
I don't enjoy juggling remotes again though...

Selling a TV for upwards of ~ £6K with a suspect picture quality on SD (i.e. still the standard broadcast medium for the short to medium term) is unbelievable / laughable (if not criminal) IMO.

Re: New BV7-40 MKIII synopsis

Greg — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 09:15:32 GMT

Synergy:
My BV7/3 went back.
The PQ was totally unwatchable on SD.Plus it had a few other 'niggles'.
Got me a Kuro which is sooo much better.Combined it with a £150 Pioneer upscaling dvd player and the picture quality is superb!
I don't enjoy juggling remotes again though...

Yes, I went with the Pioneer Kuro too, and I don't regret it. Certainly better picture quality (to my eyes) than B&O's offerings, at least with SD or DVD content, and of course much cheaper - so we can see it as an 'interim' solution and maybe look again at a B&O TV in a few years! I'm not sure the Kuro is massively better than a really good CRT, but it's at least as good, and at a larger screen size.

Re: New BV7-40 MKIII synopsis

moxxey — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 07:54:55 GMT

Synergy:
The PQ was totally unwatchable on SD.Plus it had a few other 'niggles'.

PQ is absolutely fine with SD channels on Sky. They must be upscaled or something, as BBC1 (and others) look fine on the Sky box, but really poor/pixelated through the internal DVB-T. So, Sky HD and blu-ray generates amazing PQ. Sky SD offers decent PQ and SD DVDs, good PQ. Anything less is poor.

So, if you have Sky (SD or HD), you'll get decent PQ from the BV7-40. Anyone without Sky may be rather disappointed and should keep what they already own.

I'm amazed few other people haven't pointed this out before. I had the impression, for example, that PQ through the DVB-T was excellent!

Re: New BV7-40 MKIII synopsis

Synergy — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 05:53:40 GMT

My BV7/3 went back.

The PQ was totally unwatchable on SD.Plus it had a few other 'niggles'.

Got me a Kuro which is sooo much better.Combined it with a £150 Pioneer upscaling dvd player and the picture quality is superb!

I don't enjoy juggling remotes again though...

Re: New BV7-40 MKIII synopsis

Alex — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 03:43:14 GMT

Go careful in the service menu of the BeoSystem 3! You can easily mess things up a lot in there, which only a B&O service centre could fix...

Re: New BV7-40 MKIII synopsis

Beolab — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 02:45:39 GMT

moxxey:

Hi Beolab,
It's aluminium, like my previous BV7-32. As the floor stand is so silver/chrome, I think the black TV doesn't work on the stand.
I can't find this 'remaining opportunities'. I saw your post about this to The Beonic Man, earlier last month, but couldn't find it in the menu. Pressing the red button (twice) + go, results in the Timer Menu. You have to press 0, 0, go.
Screen: LTA400HT-L04
Type: LCD-40 HT-L0
I can't find 'Signal Information'.

Menu +00+Go = "Service Menu"

Press menu + set the cursor to "Options". Now press the red button two times and then Go. Now you are in the "Customer Service menu" . Under Signal info you can see if the panel put out 50Hz, 60Hz or 100Hz.

But with the Movie Mode set to on the BS3 render 100/120 pictures/second instead of 50 pictures/s for a smoother picture in pans and fast movements. Almost the same as 100Hz. The result is the famous "Philips Natural Motion syndrome ". It looks like the movie was filmed by a armature camcorder but with less motion sickness.. But i think B&o does a much better job..

And here you can see that the LTA400HS-LH2 got 2000:1 Native contrast http://www.samsung.com/global/business/lcdpanel/productInfo.do?upper_fmly_id=602&fmly_id=607&partnum=LTA400HT

The LTA400HT-L04 dossen´t exist according to Samsung Global product homepage or google ??

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And we must be aware of that the broadcastings over DVB-T have a max bitrate of 5Mbps and DVD have max 10Mbps of bitrate. HD DVB-T got 20Mbps. So less bitrate= more pixilated pictures because of the compressed signal and less picture information..

So i don´t think the inbuilt DVB-T module is the thing to speak badly about.. It its the compressed broadcastings that is the "bad guy in the drama"..

Regards

Re: New BV7-40 MKIII synopsis

moxxey — Tue, 01 Jan 2008 18:37:38 GMT

Craig:
Last Christmas we purchased a 32" Samsung LCD as a present for our elsedt Son. Looks fine on his Xbox360 games, and as a PC monitor. Try showing an SD source on it and the picture is just plain freaky. Just don't know how else to explain it. After 5 mins of watching it I have had enough. There is life in those old CRT things for some years to come if you ask me.

I know someone with a 2007-model Samsung 32" LCD and watching the F1 (via digital) on his TV was unbearable.

If you want to stick with your old CRT (Avant or whatever), and are happy with your 5-channel analogue signal, feel free to keep it. I want to connect my PS3 and other digital devices. I also wanted a picture larger than 32" - something not offered by any CRT.

As long as you have Sky (SD or otherwise), the picture through the BV7 is fantastic. HD, even better. Blu-ray, can't be bettered.

Re: New BV7-40 MKIII synopsis

moxxey — Tue, 01 Jan 2008 18:33:12 GMT

Graham, once was enough.

Re: New BV7-40 MKIII synopsis

joeyboygolf — Tue, 01 Jan 2008 18:32:03 GMT

Puncher:

Just as well the BV7 is not expensive!!
This whole flat panel lark is for the birds until HD broadcasting is the norm rather than the exception - SKY HD channels can be counted on one hand (and they don't broadcast 24/7). How many folk really spend the majority of their viewing time watching dvd content?
I can't imagine spending umpty thousands of pounds to watch a worse picture than I have now!

At last.........common sense has returned to the forum!

Meanwhile..........another rumour.........all Beovision 7-40 MkIII owners are being banished to a small island in the Indian Ocean where they will be forced to watch non Blu-ray copies of the Last Samurai until someone pleads for their 7-40 MkIII's to be skipped and replaced with 32in Avants. Shouldn't take long by all accounts!!!!

Re: New BV7-40 MKIII synopsis

Craig — Tue, 01 Jan 2008 18:00:43 GMT

Puncher:

I can't imagine spending umpty thousands of pounds to watch a worse picture than I have now!

Last Christmas we purchased a 32" Samsung LCD as a present for our elsedt Son. Looks fine on his Xbox360 games, and as a PC monitor. Try showing an SD source on it and the picture is just plain freaky. Just don't know how else to explain it. After 5 mins of watching it I have had enough. There is life in those old CRT things for some years to come if you ask me.

Craig

Re: New BV7-40 MKIII synopsis

Puncher — Tue, 01 Jan 2008 17:07:56 GMT

Just as well the BV7 is not expensive!!

This whole flat panel lark is for the birds until HD broadcasting is the norm rather than the exception - SKY HD channels can be counted on one hand (and they don't broadcast 24/7). How many folk really spend the majority of their viewing time watching dvd content?

I can't imagine spending umpty thousands of pounds to watch a worse picture than I have now!

Re: New BV7-40 MKIII synopsis

Peter — Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:51:52 GMT

moxxey:
joeyboygolf:
Apparently the latest 40in offering is not suitable for the former types of individual unless..
It isn't, you're right. I switched to watching BBC1 on the DVB-T and it was very pixelated. Worse than the old analogue signal on my BV7-32. So, you really need Sky minimum to use the BV7-40 MKIII. Sky SD channels are the bare minimum I'd accept for comfortable viewing on this TV.
I hope Peter is right and B&O realise that even SD on digital (DVB-T) is too pixelated for comfortable viewing.

They do! I am sure there will be a fix soon! The older sets soften the picture much more whereas the Mk3 shows it as it is! Fine for HD, not so good for SD!