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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>General Forum</title><link>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/13.aspx</link><description>The main Meeting Place for BeoWorld members, and the place for General Questions, Answers and things to say! 
If you have any questions about anything Bang &amp;amp; Olufsen related - please ask. If you have anything to say - please tell!</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2008 SP2 (Build: 31104.93)</generator><item><title>ways to control BeoSystem3 from Crestron</title><link>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/62514.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 03:21:14 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">41a2a90c-3a1e-4bd3-b144-3883695a7f38:62514</guid><dc:creator>eoulianov</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/62514.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=13&amp;PostID=62514</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;"&gt;&lt;font face="Calibri"&gt;I want to find a best way to control B&amp;amp;O systems from Crestron. There is a BeoSystem3 to play with, and some suggestions about control possibilities:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt;text-indent:-18pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;font face="Calibri"&gt;1.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman';"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;"&gt;&lt;font face="Calibri"&gt;Crestron IR port -&amp;gt; IR emitter -&amp;gt; B&amp;amp;O IR receiver -&amp;gt; IR IN (9 pin) BeoSystem3&lt;br /&gt;[ordinal IR driver, &amp;ldquo;classical&amp;rdquo; way]&lt;br /&gt;+&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;simple and safe&lt;br /&gt;-&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;one-way, without feedbacks&lt;br /&gt;-&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;complex command set, I don&amp;rsquo;t know all commands that Beo4 may play&lt;br /&gt;-&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;IR Receiver must be placed correctly &amp;ndash; under plasma, not in direct sunlight etc&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt;text-indent:-18pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;font face="Calibri"&gt;2.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman';"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;"&gt;&lt;font face="Calibri"&gt;Crestron IR port -&amp;gt; IR emitter -&amp;gt; B&amp;amp;O IR receiver -&amp;gt; IR IN (3.5mm stereo jack) BeoSystem3&lt;br /&gt;[the same as 1&lt;sup&gt;st&lt;/sup&gt; way]&lt;br /&gt;+&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;2&lt;sup&gt;nd&lt;/sup&gt; IR receiver with IR emitter may be hidden from user&amp;rsquo;s eyes, sunlight and plasma rays&lt;br /&gt;-&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;2&lt;sup&gt;nd&lt;/sup&gt; IR receiver needed &lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt;text-indent:-18pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;font face="Calibri"&gt;3.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman';"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;"&gt;&lt;font face="Calibri"&gt;Crestron IR port -&amp;gt; IR IN (3.5mm stereo jack) BeoSystem3&lt;br /&gt;[special IR driver with stripped IR carrier and inverted signal needed, Crestron S=RING of 3.5mm stereo jack, Crestron G=SHIELD of jack]&lt;br /&gt;+&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;direct control without 2 IR environment steps, no need any IR receivers&lt;br /&gt;-&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;suppresses ordinal IR control from 1&lt;sup&gt;st&lt;/sup&gt; IR Receiver (when SIGNAL is 0, other IR receiver can&amp;rsquo;t work)&lt;br /&gt;-&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;works with BeoVision 7-40 and BeoSystem 1-2, but not with my BeoSystem3!&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;(I think, it is a reason to play with timings or to make a DB9 input &amp;ndash; pin7=S, pin8=G)&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt;text-indent:-18pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;font face="Calibri"&gt;4.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman';"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;"&gt;&lt;font face="Calibri"&gt;Crestron IR port -&amp;gt; Inverter -&amp;gt; IR IN (3.5mm stereo jack) BeoSystem3&lt;br /&gt;[ &lt;/font&gt;&lt;a href="http://tech.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/Crestron/photos/view/ba1a?b=2"&gt;&lt;font color="#800080" face="Calibri"&gt;http://tech.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/Crestron/photos/view/ba1a?b=2&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font face="Calibri"&gt; Kirk Patton&amp;rsquo;s gadget]&lt;br /&gt;+&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;may be combined with IR receiver at IR IN (9 pin)&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt;text-indent:-18pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;font face="Calibri"&gt;5.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman';"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;"&gt;&lt;font face="Calibri"&gt;Crestron RS232/RS485 -&amp;gt; CINEMA (9 pin) BeoSystem3&lt;br /&gt;+&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;There are hints in service Guide - &lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;font face="Calibri"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;"&gt;Pin 1&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;CTRL1 IN TTL, Pin 4 CTRL2 IN TTL&lt;br /&gt;-&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;there is &amp;ldquo;(Not used - H.W. Ready)&amp;rdquo; here, so it look like R.I.P. for this idea&lt;br /&gt;-&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;there is nothing about protocol in WWW&lt;br /&gt;[I think, the only possibility of this port is to check if TV is on or off]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt;text-indent:-18pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;font face="Calibri"&gt;6.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman';"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;"&gt;&lt;font face="Calibri"&gt;Crestron RS232/RS485 -&amp;gt; TTL (3.5mm stereo jack) BeoSystem3&lt;br /&gt;+&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;font face="Calibri"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;"&gt;Pin 2 Inner: TX (output at BtB), Pin 3 Outer: RX (input at BtB) looks attractive&lt;br /&gt;-&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;there is nothing about this protocol at WWW&lt;br /&gt;-&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;I&amp;rsquo;m not sure about full range of possibilities: can a receptionist fully control client&amp;rsquo;s B&amp;amp;O from the reception bar or not&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt;text-indent:-18pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;font face="Calibri"&gt;7.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman';"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;"&gt;&lt;font face="Calibri"&gt;Crestron RS232/RS485 -&amp;gt; RS232 (3.5mm stereo jack) BeoSystem3&lt;br /&gt;[looks the same as TTL, but may be preferable for Creston]&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt;text-indent:-18pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;font face="Calibri"&gt;8.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman';"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;"&gt;&lt;font face="Calibri"&gt;Crestron RS232/RS485 -&amp;gt; ML (pin 1, 2 and Ground) BeoSystem3&lt;br /&gt;[pin1=data-, pin2=data+ - looks like RS485]&lt;br /&gt;+&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;this way is used by Crestron CG-BO1 gadget, so it must work&lt;br /&gt;-&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;there is no protocol at WWW, but it can be quite close to protocol Crestron&amp;lt;-&amp;gt;CG-BO1&lt;br /&gt;-&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Crestron module is far from complete ML command set, it annoys my perfectionism&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt;text-indent:-18pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;font face="Calibri"&gt;9.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman';"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;"&gt;&lt;font face="Calibri"&gt;Crestron RS232/RS485 -&amp;gt; ML (pin 9, 10 and Ground) BeoSystem3&lt;br /&gt;[these pins are used in Flash Programming mode]&lt;br /&gt;-&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Flash programming commonly far from control&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt 36pt;text-indent:-18pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;font face="Calibri"&gt;10.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman';"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;"&gt;&lt;font face="Calibri"&gt;Crestron CG-BO1 -&amp;gt; ML BeoSystem3&lt;br /&gt;[Magical Crestron international gadget CG-BO1. Connected to ML (pins 1, 2, ground &amp;ndash; bidirectional. It can control ML Master device and all its sources), PL (pins 6, 7 &amp;ndash; only take status from this PL), IR receiver (3 pins &amp;ndash; receiving IR from Beo4), and 2 IR emitters &amp;ndash; modulated and not modulated]&lt;br /&gt;+&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;is commonly what I want&lt;br /&gt;-&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;there is no some useful commands like FORMAT, STAND etc&lt;br /&gt;-&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;quite expensive, because of in Euro price&lt;br /&gt;-&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;one module control only one zone&lt;br /&gt;-&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;can&amp;rsquo;t control directly slave ML zones, only via IR IN (I think)&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif';"&gt;If somebody can help me with commenting these ways, command sets or serial parameters and protocols &amp;ndash; please, share it here!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>